McGee's back

[and1GS]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

Oddly ya.

I think a lot of this has to do with teams realizing they screwed themselves over by spending up to the cap line so quickly. I was convinced that Ian was getting around 2-3 years for 5-6m per and McGee was looking at 7m per from some dumb team like the Kings. In reality I'd bet that McGee will be playing out his career on a string of 1 year contracts, which is bizarre because he was incredible in his role last year.

I'm honestly astounded no team wanted to give JaVale even half the MLE with a 2+1 TO deal. The risk was so incredibly low and it's not like the guy's an ****, he's a great teammate and as someone who's met him --albeit briefly--he's a good dude that cares about fans and doing the right thing.

Whatever his career brings him I'm very happy to have that positivity back around the team.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

yup, last rumor was the Lakers were looking at him but they signed Ennis instead. Now the Wolves are interested.

[turk3d]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

Oddly ya.

I think a lot of this has to do with teams realizing they screwed themselves over by spending up to the cap line so quickly. I was convinced that Ian was getting around 2-3 years for 5-6m per and McGee was looking at 7m per from some dumb team like the Kings. In reality I'd bet that McGee will be playing out his career on a string of 1 year contracts, which is bizarre because he was incredible in his role last year.

I'm honestly astounded no team wanted to give JaVale even half the MLE with a 2+1 TO deal. The risk was so incredibly low and it's not like the guy's an ****, he's a great teammate and as someone who's met him --albeit briefly--he's a good dude that cares about fans and doing the right thing.

Whatever his career brings him I'm very happy to have that positivity back around the team.

I think think you're right and1, most teams shot their wads during the initial FA frenzy. Both Ian and Javale deserved better than what they got imo. It's just that the money dried up for guys like them. If Javale performs well for us again this season, I think he'll do better over the long haul. Either the Dubs will sign him long term, or someone looking for a Center will latch onto him.

[statsman]

In reality I'd bet that McGee will be playing out his career on a string of 1 year contracts, which is bizarre because he was incredible in his role last year.

Maybe. With all of the pressure to redeem himself no longer an issue with the Warriors, it will be interesting to see if McGee can improve his game defensively. With West retiring after this season and possibly Zaza, that would leave McGee as the only vet C on the roster.

Not saying McGee should be the starter after this season, but if he can improve his defense, there would be a lot of minutes off the bench for him. Maybe enough to convince the Warriors to keep him around for a few more seasons above the vet minimum, say at 2/7 or 2/8.

[turk3d]

The other thing to factor in with McGee is that he's still relatively young. This season will definitely be the make or break season for him with the Warriors. If you were looking for a genuine Center coming out of this years draft, with the physicality to play under the boards against the big boys? Collins, Patton, Allen or Pascecniks? Who would take any of these guys over McGee keeping in mind none of them weight over 232 and would be projects who'd have to be developed?

A few of them would have to play the 4. McGee is not only 7 feet (a few of them aren't, more like 6'10), 270 and already NBA developed. We already have a development project in Jones. Of course, some of you would prefer a stretch 4 or 5 which McGee is not, but I maintain we really don't need one. We already ahve Dray and Durant who'll provide that as needed (West as well when he's in there).

[KevinMcreynolds]

Zaza, West and Javale are a perfect 3 man C rotation.

At a team salary cost of $6.4M combined, not including the luxury tax, which they would have anyway when filling out the roster.

think it's 6.9m, even so the following 2017-18 salaries are...

Zaza/West/Javale - 6.9m
THJ/Ron Baker - 22.3m

[statsman]

Zaza, West and Javale are a perfect 3 man C rotation.

At a team salary cost of $6.4M combined, not including the luxury tax, which they would have anyway when filling out the roster.

think it's 6.9m, even so the following 2017-18 salaries are...

Zaza/West/Javale - 6.9m
THJ/Ron Baker - 22.3m

Zaza - $3.48M
West and McGee - $1.47M each (the cost to a team for a 2+ year vet on a minimum salary contract is the 2-year vet minimum - the league picks up the difference)

3.48 + 1.47 + 1.47 = $6.42M (just to show how I got to $6.4M)

[KevinMcreynolds]

oh, ESPN lists West at 2.3m

[shanthi]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

Yup, but we're out of roster spots. I'll miss Clark--he could play a little point guard, shoot decently and seemed to put in effort on defense even if he wasn't a great defender. Nick Young is an upgrade as a reserve gunner, but he can't run the offense like Clark can.

Oh well--the Warriors have Curry, Livingston and Iguodala who can.

[turk3d]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

Yup, but we're out of roster spots. I'll miss Clark--he could play a little point guard, shoot decently and seemed to put in effort on defense even if he wasn't a great defender. Nick Young is an upgrade as a reserve gunner, but he can't run the offense like Clark can.

Oh well--the Warriors have Curry, Livingston and Iguodala who can.

+ Green. Durant and now McCaw.

[NBAfan3024]

glad he is back

this is why we didn't offer him a bigger deal as it wasn't likely he would get more than the min

[WESCO]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Yeah, I'm surprised no team snuck in there and gave him a decent multi-year contract. Can't imagine the Warriors are paying him much. And I'm a Wiz fan - who saw the worst of him. He still makes a lot of foolish fouls, but he's a good player.

From the outside looking in it seems like no one offered him multiyear deal and he wanted to stay in the West coast.

[FunkNinerFlex]

Found this interesting

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goldenstateofmind.com/platform/amp/2017/7/28/16059112/nba-2017-javale-mcgee-golden-state-warriors-video-analysis

[statsman]

Found this interesting

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goldenstateofmind.com/platform/amp/2017/7/28/16059112/nba-2017-javale-mcgee-golden-state-warriors-video-analysis

It would seem any desire by the Warriors to extend McGee beyond this season may depend on his improvement on the defensive end. The good news is he shouldn't have to worry about proving himself again with the coaches, teammates, fans, or the front office. I think he's a bargain at $2.1M (last season was $1.4M).

[East Bay Sports]

Nice.
I still think that McGee is being underrated, but at least he has one more year to prove himself now.

Other than signing a PG instead of Young I think this offseason went about as well as you could reasonably hope for.

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

Yup, but we're out of roster spots. I'll miss Clark--he could play a little point guard, shoot decently and seemed to put in effort on defense even if he wasn't a great defender. Nick Young is an upgrade as a reserve gunner, but he can't run the offense like Clark can.

Oh well--the Warriors have Curry, Livingston and Iguodala who can.

Clark. Never. Ran. The. Offense.

Not sure why people say these silly things. Also Swaggy P had a better A/T ratio playing for awful LAL than Clark had playing in our system. But tell me more how great of a playmaker Clark is.

[laika]

Is Ian Clark still looking for work?

Yup, but we're out of roster spots. I'll miss Clark--he could play a little point guard, shoot decently and seemed to put in effort on defense even if he wasn't a great defender. Nick Young is an upgrade as a reserve gunner, but he can't run the offense like Clark can.

Oh well--the Warriors have Curry, Livingston and Iguodala who can.

Clark. Never. Ran. The. Offense.

Not sure why people say these silly things. Also Swaggy P had a better A/T ratio playing for awful LAL than Clark had playing in our system. But tell me more how great of a playmaker Clark is.

This is false.
Clark might not be a great playmaker, but he got more than twice as many assists as Young. People are correct to be a little concerned about Young's awful passing numbers.

[East Bay Sports]

Yup, but we're out of roster spots. I'll miss Clark--he could play a little point guard, shoot decently and seemed to put in effort on defense even if he wasn't a great defender. Nick Young is an upgrade as a reserve gunner, but he can't run the offense like Clark can.

Oh well--the Warriors have Curry, Livingston and Iguodala who can.

Clark. Never. Ran. The. Offense.

Not sure why people say these silly things. Also Swaggy P had a better A/T ratio playing for awful LAL than Clark had playing in our system. But tell me more how great of a playmaker Clark is.

This is false.
Clark might not be a great playmaker, but he got more than twice as many assists as Young. People are correct to be a little concerned about Young's awful passing numbers.

I lied they had the exact same A/T. Young simply doesn't turn the ball over.

[statsman]

I lied they had the exact same A/T. Young simply doesn't turn the ball over.

If you're cherry-picking last season, maybe. But over his career, Young has slightly more turnovers than assists. The reason his turnover numbers aren't worse is because he doesn't pass the ball. Got a gut feeling his game is going to annoy me more often than not.

[FrigginFalcon]

I don't feel that the Dubs need a traditional PG, which to me is a guy who creates off his own dribble, with P&R as only one of many possible ways of doing that. Guys like Draymond, Iggy, and Shaun can trigger the offense without playing that way, and of course a weave or P&R can work with multiple ball handlers, not just the PG.

Where a problem with "handles" can be an issue is if an opponent with a smaller, quicker back-court makes a real effort to harass the ball-handlers as they bring the ball up court. Without good ball handlers, that strategy can generate steals and force turnovers off bad passes, and it can also take time off the shot clock, so that even when the offense does get started, the shot clock will already be under 15 seconds. I can't say that I recall a lot of situations where Clark contributed to that, but my impression is that he was a decent ball handler against tight man-to-man coverage.

[East Bay Sports]

I lied they had the exact same A/T. Young simply doesn't turn the ball over.

If you're cherry-picking last season, maybe. But over his career, Young has slightly more turnovers than assists. The reason his turnover numbers aren't worse is because he doesn't pass the ball. Got a gut feeling his game is going to annoy me more often than not.

The point is Clark is no world beating play making guard. He isn't a good playmaker at all. Maybe Young is worse, but it doesn't matter, that wasn't the role either is being asked to fill.