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Post#1861 » by GQ Hot Dog » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:20 pm

I'm hearing the Lakers haven't fully committed to Marc Gasol for this season yet. Could he be the vet we attach Wiseman to in order to learn the tricks of the trade?
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Post#1862 » by xdrta+ » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:03 pm

GQ Hot Dog wrote:I'm hearing the Lakers haven't fully committed to Marc Gasol for this season yet. Could he be the vet we attach Wiseman to in order to learn the tricks of the trade?


That's what coaches are for, especially Milojevic. No need to use a roster spot.
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Post#1864 » by Old_Blue » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:25 am

Cavs, Love Making Progress Toward Buyout

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/cavs-love-making-progress-toward-buyout.html

Won't affect us though. Myers is hiding under his desk. :lol:
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Post#1865 » by DevinVassell » Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:14 am

Old_Blue wrote:Cavs, Love Making Progress Toward Buyout

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/cavs-love-making-progress-toward-buyout.html

Won't affect us though. Myers is hiding under his desk. :lol:


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Post#1866 » by Old_Blue » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:05 am

The Chronicle seems to think the Warriors might have a chance. That being said, this is old news.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/warriors/article/Could-Warriors-convince-Kevin-Love-to-join-them-16297108.php

If Love does join the Warriors though, it'll apparently be because of Draymond.

“Obviously, with Draymond, it’s a love-hate relationship, but we’ve become actually pretty close friends over the past few years,” Love said. “I love how he competes, his mind for the game, his intangibles, how he leads the break. He passes, he plays defense, and it seems like he’s always in the right spot.
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Post#1867 » by whatisacenter » Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:33 am

I guess I like this for the Bulls?
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Post#1868 » by FNQ » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:50 am

whatisacenter wrote:I guess I like this for the Bulls?
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I like it for CHI and POR value wise. Blazers gave up a meh piece, a lotto protected 1st, and a projected early 2nd for Nance, which is about where youd think his value is

Bulls get a 1st, an early 2nd, and a meh player for a guy who they never intended to keep, and likely wouldnt have matched if he had received a decent offer in FA

Cavs get a guy who CHI essentially bailed on, at 16-17m/year for Larry Nance and a 2nd, and I think they were way better off just keeping Nance. I dont understand this at any level for them, much like I've not understood most of their rebuilding. They have 2 combo guards, one who they are trying to get rid of because he's basically another Monta.. they drafted a low-upside/medium floor wing in Okoro last year, they gave 100m to Jarrett Allen who's a solid enough big but isn't that good defensively.. what are they going for here? They are basically a worse version of the Pelicans across the board, a team full of poor defenders with one good one

I have the Cavs pegged as a bottom 5 team next year in the 20-25 win range, and I honestly dont see a team with less to be excited about right now, besides maybe Detroit
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Post#1869 » by FNQ » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:51 am

Old_Blue wrote:Cavs, Love Making Progress Toward Buyout

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/cavs-love-making-progress-toward-buyout.html

Won't affect us though. Myers is hiding under his desk. :lol:


Slow, oft-injured C that is entering the last couple years of his career and is a horrible fit.. bring him in!

I'd rather have Bjelica
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Post#1870 » by Mob Byers » Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:18 pm

Kevin Love got kicked off team USA because he was out of shape. Unless that’s changed, it’s a no. And even if it has changed and he is in better shape, not sure there’s even room for him here.
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Post#1871 » by giberish » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:24 pm

Love won't give back any money on a buyout - probably because he knows he's only getting vet min money form anyone else.
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Post#1872 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:37 pm

giberish wrote:Love won't give back any money on a buyout - probably because he knows he's only getting vet min money form anyone else.


Nobody really gets more than vet min the year of the buyout because of the way the NBA does it. Love won't get more money from someone paying him more.
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Post#1873 » by giberish » Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:51 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
giberish wrote:Love won't give back any money on a buyout - probably because he knows he's only getting vet min money form anyone else.


Nobody really gets more than vet min the year of the buyout because of the way the NBA does it. Love won't get more money from someone paying him more.


That depends on waiver vs buyout. If waived I think you get the full money, but if you then sign a new contract that counts against the old money you're owed. In a buyout new contract money generally doesn't count against the old money you're owed (or perhaps that can be negotiated as part of the buyout) but you generally don't get all the money from the original contract (otherwise you'd just be waived).

If Love was confident he could make $15M for this year and next he could agree to a buyout that was $15M less then his old contract, get freedom and not lose money. Love expects only vet min deals so he's only willing to give back 2xvet min money in a buyout. This leaves Cleveland with little motivation to actually agree to a buyout.
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Post#1874 » by xdrta+ » Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:51 am

giberish wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
giberish wrote:Love won't give back any money on a buyout - probably because he knows he's only getting vet min money form anyone else.


Nobody really gets more than vet min the year of the buyout because of the way the NBA does it. Love won't get more money from someone paying him more.


That depends on waiver vs buyout. If waived I think you get the full money, but if you then sign a new contract that counts against the old money you're owed. In a buyout new contract money generally doesn't count against the old money you're owed (or perhaps that can be negotiated as part of the buyout) but you generally don't get all the money from the original contract (otherwise you'd just be waived).

If Love was confident he could make $15M for this year and next he could agree to a buyout that was $15M less then his old contract, get freedom and not lose money. Love expects only vet min deals so he's only willing to give back 2xvet min money in a buyout. This leaves Cleveland with little motivation to actually agree to a buyout.


Not quite. There is no difference in the payout whether waivers or buyout. In a buyout, the player and team agree to reduce or eliminate guaranteed salary. The player is then placed on waivers (at his original contract price) and, if he clears waivers. the contract is reduced. At this point the team can elect to stretch the cap hit.

If he signs with another team (whether a buyout or straight waivers) an amount is "set-off," both from his salary and the cap hit to the original team, by a formula. The amount is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived. (This goes for any signing, including international.)

In practice, virtually all buyouts sign for a minimum.
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Post#1875 » by S-Gorilla86 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:48 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
giberish wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
Nobody really gets more than vet min the year of the buyout because of the way the NBA does it. Love won't get more money from someone paying him more.


That depends on waiver vs buyout. If waived I think you get the full money, but if you then sign a new contract that counts against the old money you're owed. In a buyout new contract money generally doesn't count against the old money you're owed (or perhaps that can be negotiated as part of the buyout) but you generally don't get all the money from the original contract (otherwise you'd just be waived).

If Love was confident he could make $15M for this year and next he could agree to a buyout that was $15M less then his old contract, get freedom and not lose money. Love expects only vet min deals so he's only willing to give back 2xvet min money in a buyout. This leaves Cleveland with little motivation to actually agree to a buyout.


Not quite. There is no difference in the payout whether waivers or buyout. In a buyout, the player and team agree to reduce or eliminate guaranteed salary. The player is then placed on waivers (at his original contract price) and, if he clears waivers. the contract is reduced. At this point the team can elect to stretch the cap hit.

If he signs with another team (whether a buyout or straight waivers) an amount is "set-off," both from his salary and the cap hit to the original team, by a formula. The amount is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived. (This goes for any signing, including international.)

In practice, virtually all buyouts sign for a minimum.
That is interesting, does that mean the Warriors don't have an advantage with the TPMLE if they theoretically wanted to go after Rondo?

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Post#1876 » by xdrta+ » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:57 pm

S-Gorilla86 wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
giberish wrote:
That depends on waiver vs buyout. If waived I think you get the full money, but if you then sign a new contract that counts against the old money you're owed. In a buyout new contract money generally doesn't count against the old money you're owed (or perhaps that can be negotiated as part of the buyout) but you generally don't get all the money from the original contract (otherwise you'd just be waived).

If Love was confident he could make $15M for this year and next he could agree to a buyout that was $15M less then his old contract, get freedom and not lose money. Love expects only vet min deals so he's only willing to give back 2xvet min money in a buyout. This leaves Cleveland with little motivation to actually agree to a buyout.


Not quite. There is no difference in the payout whether waivers or buyout. In a buyout, the player and team agree to reduce or eliminate guaranteed salary. The player is then placed on waivers (at his original contract price) and, if he clears waivers. the contract is reduced. At this point the team can elect to stretch the cap hit.

If he signs with another team (whether a buyout or straight waivers) an amount is "set-off," both from his salary and the cap hit to the original team, by a formula. The amount is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived. (This goes for any signing, including international.)

In practice, virtually all buyouts sign for a minimum.
That is interesting, does that mean the Warriors don't have an advantage with the TPMLE if they theoretically wanted to go after Rondo?

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Whoever signs him it will be a minimum deal. Woj says Lakers when he clears waivers on Monday.
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Post#1877 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:02 pm

S-Gorilla86 wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
giberish wrote:
That depends on waiver vs buyout. If waived I think you get the full money, but if you then sign a new contract that counts against the old money you're owed. In a buyout new contract money generally doesn't count against the old money you're owed (or perhaps that can be negotiated as part of the buyout) but you generally don't get all the money from the original contract (otherwise you'd just be waived).

If Love was confident he could make $15M for this year and next he could agree to a buyout that was $15M less then his old contract, get freedom and not lose money. Love expects only vet min deals so he's only willing to give back 2xvet min money in a buyout. This leaves Cleveland with little motivation to actually agree to a buyout.


Not quite. There is no difference in the payout whether waivers or buyout. In a buyout, the player and team agree to reduce or eliminate guaranteed salary. The player is then placed on waivers (at his original contract price) and, if he clears waivers. the contract is reduced. At this point the team can elect to stretch the cap hit.

If he signs with another team (whether a buyout or straight waivers) an amount is "set-off," both from his salary and the cap hit to the original team, by a formula. The amount is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived. (This goes for any signing, including international.)

In practice, virtually all buyouts sign for a minimum.
That is interesting, does that mean the Warriors don't have an advantage with the TPMLE if they theoretically wanted to go after Rondo?

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Correct ... the same as pretty much all big buyout/unclaimed waiver/stretch situations.
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Post#1878 » by S-Gorilla86 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:51 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
S-Gorilla86 wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
Not quite. There is no difference in the payout whether waivers or buyout. In a buyout, the player and team agree to reduce or eliminate guaranteed salary. The player is then placed on waivers (at his original contract price) and, if he clears waivers. the contract is reduced. At this point the team can elect to stretch the cap hit.

If he signs with another team (whether a buyout or straight waivers) an amount is "set-off," both from his salary and the cap hit to the original team, by a formula. The amount is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived. (This goes for any signing, including international.)

In practice, virtually all buyouts sign for a minimum.
That is interesting, does that mean the Warriors don't have an advantage with the TPMLE if they theoretically wanted to go after Rondo?

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Correct ... the same as pretty much all big buyout/unclaimed waiver/stretch situations.
Ok that's good to know. What about Kemba this year though? He was bought out and signed for 2 years, 16 mil with NY. Was the additional $ just to incentivize OKC to complete the buyout?

It seems like players can leave $ on the table (4 million in the Kemba example) but aren't able to make more than their initial contract, which makes sense.

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Post#1879 » by xdrta+ » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:46 pm

S-Gorilla86 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
S-Gorilla86 wrote:That is interesting, does that mean the Warriors don't have an advantage with the TPMLE if they theoretically wanted to go after Rondo?

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Correct ... the same as pretty much all big buyout/unclaimed waiver/stretch situations.
Ok that's good to know. What about Kemba this year though? He was bought out and signed for 2 years, 16 mil with NY. Was the additional $ just to incentivize OKC to complete the buyout?

It seems like players can leave $ on the table (4 million in the Kemba example) but aren't able to make more than their initial contract, which makes sense.

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It does look like Kemba will make about 4 mil less this year than his original contract, but there's nothing to say a player can't make more. It all depends on how much they give up and how much they sign for. Usually, though, they sign for about what it takes to come out even.
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Post#1880 » by lars_rosenberg » Sat Sep 4, 2021 6:39 pm

Old_Blue wrote:The Chronicle seems to think the Warriors might have a chance. That being said, this is old news.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/warriors/article/Could-Warriors-convince-Kevin-Love-to-join-them-16297108.php

If Love does join the Warriors though, it'll apparently be because of Draymond.

“Obviously, with Draymond, it’s a love-hate relationship, but we’ve become actually pretty close friends over the past few years,” Love said. “I love how he competes, his mind for the game, his intangibles, how he leads the break. He passes, he plays defense, and it seems like he’s always in the right spot.


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