Do you think that Myers boofed the off season with the roster?

[CS707]

Yes, we will miss McGee massively.

Jones sucks.

I got to hand it to you Coxy, you're decisive. No equivocating from you. You're either going to be right or you're going to be shown to be a total fraud as a judge of basketball talent and potential.

I'm not willing to declare Jones a bust quite yet but I am also pretty skeptical. If Jones becomes a quality player he will definitely be beating the odds. Players as lousy as Jones in their first two years virtually never become good players. Jermaine O'Neal is given as an example of a late bloomer, but Jermaine was way better than Jones has been.

It depends on your expectations. If you’re thinking he’s going to be a Jermaine O’Neil level player then yeah, there’s a good chance of disappointment. We need him to be a McGee replacement. It’s not like Javale was the brightest bulb himself.

[xdrta+]

Yes, we will miss McGee massively.

Jones sucks.

I got to hand it to you Coxy, you're decisive. No equivocating from you. You're either going to be right or you're going to be shown to be a total fraud as a judge of basketball talent and potential.

I don't really think anything I've made a take in this thread that is shocking at all actually. I've been watching the NBA and the Warriors for a very long time, so I'm pretty comfortable in my eval of players. I hope Jones proves me wrong, I really do, but I don't think he has the basketball IQ and tenacity to make it in the league, and no highlights that you show me can change that. I was also big on Javale in limited action, which he plays because of his asthma and stamina issues that he has.

Total fraud as a judge of basketball talent and potential? Eh, whatever, I don't think I'm the one making outrageous claims here.

The kid is 23 yrs old. His ceiling is far higher than McGee's ever was.

[Mylie10]

We are very light up front, even for when Cuz comes back. We will be really leaning on Looney heavily this year and I think we need another vet big that can be trusted to do a job in limited minutes.

Other than that, all is fine.

Cousins, Green, KD, Jones, Bell, Looney, Jerebko ... that's 7 players (3 all pro) who can play quality NBA minutes up front ... what does it take to be "enough"? Which team is better?

If you meant "light" to mean weight, which team is heavier?

PF - Green / Looney
C - Bell

That's our "Bigs" currently. When Cuz returns, Bell backs him up. Jones is not NBA calibre, Jerebko is a stretch 3/4, not a big man, and KD CAN play some 4, but it's not ideal to have him there at all.

When I say "Bigs", I mean, big men. Big rebounders, bruisers and rim protectors, like Zaza and McGee. Losing McGee hurts the most actually, as he gave this team a really different look up front and protected the rim, we didn't fill that hole for a backup. If Cousins doesn't return to at least 75% of what he was then we will be in trouble up front.

Let's clarify a few things.

Looney is more of a center and he only plays of when he's on the floor with Jones and if he were to play with Cuz.

Bell plays center in small ball lineups or when he plays with KD and Draymond. He's to small to guard big centers. But what I love about Bell is that he can guard wings and smaller front court players. Therefore I want him to play more 3 and less 5. But he's primarily Draymonds back up right now.

Jerebko plays 4 and 5. He's 6'10".....he won't play much though, because we don't need him.

Until Cuz gets here we have 5 guys who can play center. However Kerr has stated that based on who we are playing, either Jones, Looney, or Bell may start.

We have plenty of big men and each provides a different aspect.


Not sure what anyone criticizing Jones wants him to be? Personally I'm expecting a complimentary player. A big who can compliment our core four. He will do that....if people want All Star numbers, then they are the ones who are misguided.

[Mylie10]

I'm not willing to declare Jones a bust quite yet but I am also pretty skeptical. If Jones becomes a quality player he will definitely be beating the odds. Players as lousy as Jones in their first two years virtually never become good players. Jermaine O'Neal is given as an example of a late bloomer, but Jermaine was way better than Jones has been.

Did you watch Jones his first two years? And I don't mean just the NBA but the G-league too? The Warriors had a lot of vet centers so they just didn't have room for him. He could have been learning in the NBA but instead they had him developing in the G-league.

Also, we need to keep in mind that Looney did nothing for 2 years then last year he became a critical player, and was a major factor in beating the Rockets. It's not like there isn't a history with these Warriors having a player be invisible for 2 years then show to be a quality players.

It's not the lack of playing time, but the absolute lack of production. On a per minute basis Looney was an MVP compared to Jones.

PER first two years-
Looney- 18.6, 13.6
Jones- 5.3, 6.8

You can run a screen at basketball reference. For 2nd year players with a PER below 10 the majority are busts. Only a tiny handful became above average players. Restrict it to PER below 8 and there are zero good players on the list, with the vast majority being busts.

Now run that same screen for Jones in the G League.

You used Jermaine O Neal as a bad example, well yeah Jermaine was a lottery pick. I've added you to the list of ding bats I'm going to remind how wrong you were.

Having said that, I'm going to remind you and everyone that no player is perfect and no one should use perfection as the guide line.

[Mylie10]

Jones per at Santa Cruz.....and I hate Per as a stat was 20.9

G League All Star...15 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks in 30 minutes. Hardly bust material. Win share @ 5.2 if you care.

70% free throws

[ChuckDurn]

Cousins called the Warriors on July 2nd; it was a no-brainer to sign him, which left the Warriors with nothing but minimum salary slots. I haven't seen anybody of note, who would make a difference, who has signed for a minimum salary around the league. (Obviously there might be some surprises among rookie free agents, etc......)

The assumption was always that McCaw would be back, and I can't blame Myers for what McCaw has done in holding out.

I think that Keita Bates-Diop was probably a better prospect and fit for the Warriors than Evans, and thought they should have drafted him (I hadn't expected him to be available). That might be the one thing that I think Myers can be criticized on at this point, but time will tell if Evans develops, though right now the signs aren't real good.

[HiRez]

I don’t know what the point of all the arguing over old numbers is, he’s here and he’s playing and we’re about to find out just how good (or not so good) Jones is, starting in 2 days. Even if you think Jones sucks, you should be rooting for him to do well, why wouldn’t anyone want that?

[ChuckDurn]

Just to be clear...... when we say "booted", do we mean "farted"?

[Scoots1994]

Just to be clear...... when we say "booted", do we mean "farted"?

To me that just means screwed up, like booting the game.

Also, to me "boofed" as slang was to hide something in your prison pocket.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Just to be clear...... when we say "booted", do we mean "farted"?

To me that just means screwed up, like booting the game.

Also, to me "boofed" as slang was to hide something in your prison pocket.

Pretty sure boofing means cramming something up the buttie, your or another's. I think we've been commenting on this thread all wrong.

[Scoots1994]

Just to be clear...... when we say "booted", do we mean "farted"?

To me that just means screwed up, like booting the game.

Also, to me "boofed" as slang was to hide something in your prison pocket.

Pretty sure boofing means cramming something up the buttie, your or another's. I think we've been commenting on this thread all wrong.

Yeah, that's what I said ... prison pocket.

[likashing]

So Jones has replaced Zaza as the whipping boy for McGee fans?

[killmongrel]

So to those who thought it was a mistake to rely on Damian Jones, you have to look at it this way as well. The Warriors were probably more than willing to bring back Javale to the team. But I think that since they had the bird rights to him, Javale wanted a 20% raise and probably wanted two years. Warriors were like hell naw and let him go. That's why he went and signed for a deal with the Lakers that the Warriors could have easily matched. There is no bad blood between Javale and the team or coaches. But I do think he's not a big fan of the front office.

The Warriors were more than ready to bank on Damian Jones because they knew that letting Javale go was not a difference maker for them. It just isn't.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I mean Jones sucks and all but it doesn't even matter...we got DeMarcus Freakin Cousins

Shaun, Dre, Bell and Looney is all we need off the bench in the playoffs and the regular season doesn't matter. While I watch regular season games I'm going to fall asleep on my couch bored outta my mind with potato chip crumbs all over my shirt.

[Quazza]

Just to be clear...... when we say "booted", do we mean "farted"?

To me that just means screwed up, like booting the game.

Also, to me "boofed" as slang was to hide something in your prison pocket.

Pretty sure boofing means cramming something up the buttie, your or another's. I think we've been commenting on this thread all wrong.

Means something slightly different here in Australia but does still describe an insertion of sorts

[Scoots1994]

So to those who thought it was a mistake to rely on Damian Jones, you have to look at it this way as well. The Warriors were probably more than willing to bring back Javale to the team. But I think that since they had the bird rights to him, Javale wanted a 20% raise and probably wanted two years. Warriors were like hell naw and let him go. That's why he went and signed for a deal with the Lakers that the Warriors could have easily matched. There is no bad blood between Javale and the team or coaches. But I do think he's not a big fan of the front office.

The Warriors were more than ready to bank on Damian Jones because they knew that letting Javale go was not a difference maker for them. It just isn't.

I don't think the Warriors made an offer to JaVale.

[wco81]

the regular season doesn't matter.

I wouldn't say that.

I'd rather the Warriors minimize the number of top WC seeds they face, so you don't want them to be #8.

Curry and KD are chasing some all-time stats records and the Warriors could be going for the best 5-year stretch.

I think they have the best 3-year stretch but not sure about 4-year, since they dropped to 58 wins last year.

[GQ Hot Dog]

So to those who thought it was a mistake to rely on Damian Jones, you have to look at it this way as well. The Warriors were probably more than willing to bring back Javale to the team. But I think that since they had the bird rights to him, Javale wanted a 20% raise and probably wanted two years. Warriors were like hell naw and let him go. That's why he went and signed for a deal with the Lakers that the Warriors could have easily matched. There is no bad blood between Javale and the team or coaches. But I do think he's not a big fan of the front office.

The Warriors were more than ready to bank on Damian Jones because they knew that letting Javale go was not a difference maker for them. It just isn't.

I don't think the Warriors made an offer to JaVale.

Considering Javale signed with the Lakers on the first day of FA and considering that last year Javale was one of the last players Myers signed, I doubt he even spoke with Myers this time around.

[Scoots1994]

Go for 41-0 at home, the road will take care of itself.

[KevinMcreynolds]

the regular season doesn't matter.

I wouldn't say that.

I'd rather the Warriors minimize the number of top WC seeds they face, so you don't want them to be #8.

Curry and KD are chasing some all-time stats records and the Warriors could be going for the best 5-year stretch.

I think they have the best 3-year stretch but not sure about 4-year, since they dropped to 58 wins last year.

we looked like **** in about 80 of our 82 games last year and we won the title