Livingston guarantee date pushed back

[xdrta+]

Shaun Livingston, who originally had a guarantee date of June 30 on his contract, has agreed to push that date back to July 10, reports Charania. Livingston has a partial guarantee of $2MM on his $7.7MM salary, and the Warriors now have more time to decide whether to retain him at that price.

[Mylie10]

Sound more like they want flexibility in making a separate deal.

They may have spoken to Livingston to run a potential trade idea by him, before de iding on several things like retirent, versus another year and his 7 million dollars.

They may need to use his 7 million in a trade deal. Or maybe waiving him and only sucking down the 2 million for other reasons.

Very interesting.

[xdrta+]

Sound more like they want flexibility in making a separate deal.

They may have spoken to Livingston to run a potential trade idea by him, before de iding on several things like retirent, versus another year and his 7 million dollars.

They may need to use his 7 million in a trade deal. Or maybe waiving him and only sucking down the 2 million for other reasons.

Very interesting.

Jae Crowder would be a nice contingency plan for the Warriors should they lose Kevin Durant in free agency, Kevin Pelton contends in a piece for ESPN+. Pelton argues a deal that sends Crowder, who has one year left on his contract, to Golden State for Shaun Livingston and a future first-rounder makes sense for both sides.

Once Livingston is guaranteed, they make almost exactly the same next year.

[giberish]

Sound more like they want flexibility in making a separate deal.

They may have spoken to Livingston to run a potential trade idea by him, before de iding on several things like retirent, versus another year and his 7 million dollars.

They may need to use his 7 million in a trade deal. Or maybe waiving him and only sucking down the 2 million for other reasons.

Very interesting.

Jae Crowder would be a nice contingency plan for the Warriors should they lose Kevin Durant in free agency, Kevin Pelton contends in a piece for ESPN+. Pelton argues a deal that sends Crowder, who has one year left on his contract, to Golden State for Shaun Livingston and a future first-rounder makes sense for both sides.

Once Livingston is guaranteed, they make almost exactly the same next year.

I figure there's 2 plans. If KD stays then they'll look to salary dump Livingston on a team with cap space. Livingston + $4M cash for nothing ($2M to pay the guaranteed part and $2M as incentive). GS's luxury tax rate with KD will be so huge that still saves money for the team.

If KD leaves they'll try to use Livignston in a trade. The team really needs to add 2 credible wings, and at best are getting one with tax MLE money. For Crowder, they wouldn't have to fully guarantee Livingson to match salaries, just $4M or so (assuming Memphis looks to waive him).

[Swift21]

I'm not giving up a first round pick for Crowder. You can find someone in FA for the vet minimum as good as him.

[ChuckDurn]

I'm not giving up a first round pick for Crowder. You can find someone in FA for the vet minimum as good as him.

I agree about not giving up a first-round pick..... but if we could do something like giving up our #1 in 2021 (top-20 protected, or something such) and getting back Memphis' second round pick, I'd absolutely be in for it.

(i.e. I'd give up a #1 if I got a #2 back, particularly from a team in which that #2 should be pretty high.)

[xdrta+]

Sound more like they want flexibility in making a separate deal.

They may have spoken to Livingston to run a potential trade idea by him, before de iding on several things like retirent, versus another year and his 7 million dollars.

They may need to use his 7 million in a trade deal. Or maybe waiving him and only sucking down the 2 million for other reasons.

Very interesting.

Jae Crowder would be a nice contingency plan for the Warriors should they lose Kevin Durant in free agency, Kevin Pelton contends in a piece for ESPN+. Pelton argues a deal that sends Crowder, who has one year left on his contract, to Golden State for Shaun Livingston and a future first-rounder makes sense for both sides.

Once Livingston is guaranteed, they make almost exactly the same next year.

I figure there's 2 plans. If KD stays then they'll look to salary dump Livingston on a team with cap space. Livingston + $4M cash for nothing ($2M to pay the guaranteed part and $2M as incentive). GS's luxury tax rate with KD will be so huge that still saves money for the team.

If KD leaves they'll try to use Livignston in a trade. The team really needs to add 2 credible wings, and at best are getting one with tax MLE money. For Crowder, they wouldn't have to fully guarantee Livingson to match salaries, just $4M or so (assuming Memphis looks to waive him).

To take back Crowder's $7.8M, I believe they would have to send out about $6.2M. The Warriors can take back 125% +$100k of their outgoing salary.

[ChuckDurn]

Jae Crowder would be a nice contingency plan for the Warriors should they lose Kevin Durant in free agency, Kevin Pelton contends in a piece for ESPN+. Pelton argues a deal that sends Crowder, who has one year left on his contract, to Golden State for Shaun Livingston and a future first-rounder makes sense for both sides.

Once Livingston is guaranteed, they make almost exactly the same next year.

I figure there's 2 plans. If KD stays then they'll look to salary dump Livingston on a team with cap space. Livingston + $4M cash for nothing ($2M to pay the guaranteed part and $2M as incentive). GS's luxury tax rate with KD will be so huge that still saves money for the team.

If KD leaves they'll try to use Livignston in a trade. The team really needs to add 2 credible wings, and at best are getting one with tax MLE money. For Crowder, they wouldn't have to fully guarantee Livingson to match salaries, just $4M or so (assuming Memphis looks to waive him).

To take back Crowder's $7.8M, I believe they would have to send out about $6.2M. The Warriors can take back 125% +$100k of their outgoing salary.

Livingston's full (planned) salary of $7.7M would be counted in the trade, so the deal could be made "straight-up" from a salary perspective.

[statsman]

Livingston's full (planned) salary of $7.7M would be counted in the trade, so the deal could be made "straight-up" from a salary perspective.

Any trade of a contract with partially guaranteed money can only count the guaranteed amount. In Livingston's case, he counts as $2M in a trade until his 2019-20 season is fully guaranteed.

[killmongrel]

I'm not giving up a first round pick for Crowder. You can find someone in FA for the vet minimum as good as him.

What? Please do tell. This could have been valuable to us last summer.

[statsman]

I'm not giving up a first round pick for Crowder. You can find someone in FA for the vet minimum as good as him.

Not to worry. The trade can't be done while Livingston's contract is not fully guaranteed. The Warriors would have to add more salary to the trade.

[xdrta+]

I'm not giving up a first round pick for Crowder. You can find someone in FA for the vet minimum as good as him.

Not to worry. The trade can't be done while Livingston's contract is not fully guaranteed. The Warriors would have to add more salary to the trade.

As mentioned above, that may well be why they pushed back the guarantee date.

[jamesnamida]

Clips want to get rid of gallo for cap space.
I would love to get Livingston and +
For gallo. No idea if we can.

[oaktownwarriors87]

I'm guessing they were going to let him go, but they let him know that if he pushed it past free agency there would be a chance they'd keep him depending on how things went.

[killmongrel]

Clips want to get rid of gallo for cap space.
I would love to get Livingston and +
For gallo. No idea if we can.

Would have to give up Iguodala and Livingston.
EDIT: Oh, clear cap space? It won't work.

[jamesnamida]

Clips want to get rid of gallo for cap space.
I would love to get Livingston and +
For gallo. No idea if we can.

Would have to give up Iguodala and Livingston.
EDIT: Oh, clear cap space? It won't work.

Would have to involve s 3rd team for iggy.
Wouldn’t be a bad replacement if Durant leaves. Curry would open up the floor for him. Assuming gallo can stay healthy.

[azwfan]

Livingston's full (planned) salary of $7.7M would be counted in the trade, so the deal could be made "straight-up" from a salary perspective.

Any trade of a contract with partially guaranteed money can only count the guaranteed amount. In Livingston's case, he counts as $2M in a trade until his 2019-20 season is fully guaranteed.

Information i was not aware of. Thanks for the additional insight.

[superunknown]

Clips want to get rid of gallo for cap space.
I would love to get Livingston and +
For gallo. No idea if we can.

Would have to give up Iguodala and Livingston.
EDIT: Oh, clear cap space? It won't work.

Would have to involve s 3rd team for iggy.
Wouldn’t be a bad replacement if Durant leaves. Curry would open up the floor for him. Assuming gallo can stay healthy.

he can't, that's the bottom line (so far). therefore, no.