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Re: Kirk Lacob the new VP of Basketball Ops, Dunleavy Asst GM 

Post#41 » by clyde21 » Sat Sep 7, 2019 6:00 pm

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likashing wrote:If you know history, only a small number of big companies managed to stay competitive by handing the keys to the children.


There are plenty of businesses that expanded once the children took over too.

A few famous kids who followed their parents into the family business off the top of my head ... Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., etc.

It happens with business too. The Fords did it with great success, Porsche, Fidelity Investments, Icahn, Murdock, Newman, Berkshire Hathaway, Comcast.

Kirk busted his ass to earn the spot and he's been doing a good job from all accounts.



Shut up, Kirk


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that was such a cringey fkn post
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Post#42 » by floppymoose » Sat Sep 7, 2019 9:11 pm

Bayside wrote:In business courses favoritism was taught to be a poor managerial trait. Can be cronyism or nepotism. But only illegal if infringing on protected areas like race religion etc. Produces high rollover I.e low retention and a demotivator.

In employment law it's also major area of enquiry leading to disappointment when heard not illegal unless broaches before mentioned areas

If you havent worked in an environment like that where your not the favorite crony or nepotism. It really sucks. I can attest to that first hand. My industry was riddled with it.
floppymoose wrote:What statistics are those?


Ok, but none of those are statistics. I thought you were refering to a study.
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Post#43 » by Bayside » Sat Sep 7, 2019 10:14 pm

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Bayside wrote:In business courses favoritism was taught to be a poor managerial trait. Can be cronyism or nepotism. But only illegal if infringing on protected areas like race religion etc. Produces high rollover I.e low retention and a demotivator.

In employment law it's also major area of enquiry leading to disappointment when heard not illegal unless broaches before mentioned areas

If you havent worked in an environment like that where your not the favorite crony or nepotism. It really sucks. I can attest to that first hand. My industry was riddled with it.
floppymoose wrote:What statistics are those?


Ok, but none of those are statistics. I thought you were refering to a study.


If you want to go get a text book on the subject you probably can find some case studies on this would contain some stats. It is widely excepted that favoritism, that includes nepotism and cronyism, can tear teams apart and effect the bottom line. When favoritism becomes discrimination is when it gets more noticeable. Based on sex, religion color etc. More numbers are available on the types of discrimination cases as they are illegal. It is not some sort of secret, that is why there are HR departments and Law Firms specialising in labor. Not sure what industry your in, line of work etc. This dynamic plays out differently in a lot of cases. Small Family business, Medium to large Size exhibit different traits. As would say Family Dental practice, corner store, Farm or Ranches, to a Fortune 500 company.. There would be different expectations of a hire for each.
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Re: Kirk Lacob the new VP of Basketball Ops, Dunleavy Asst GM 

Post#44 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Sep 7, 2019 10:17 pm

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It more often than not does not work. Instead of their children looking for their own path, they are assigned one. They may not even have the aptitude, see Buss's kids as example.

It just means a Joe Lacob climbs his way to the top in some other organization and we may eventually be left with Jed York. The problem with sports ownership is there is no penalty for being mediocre or downright terrible.


I don't know that we have data on that. The reality is that the kids of super successful people are deeply exposed to their habits. They don't always stick for sure, but they often do.

It's like when people would talk about ex-athletes getting management and coaching jobs and it was "because they were famous" and "they didn't earn it" and "what do they know about business", and yet a lot of them succeed at a high level.

To assume it's bad is the only issue I have with this whole thread ... it has succeeded often enough that assuming it will be bad is just wrong.


I have heard it all now. Sounds like your telling yourself what you need to hear to justify possible advantages you have received. People don't assume it is bad unless they have experienced it from the other side of it. And statistic have shown it so. Good for you having inherited some advantage. That is after all, the American upward mobility trend. Not merit that they sell as bill of goods as the old American Dream.


I haven't inherited jack, and I've never worked for family. My point was that relationships are a common and good way to fill jobs.
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Re: Kirk Lacob the new VP of Basketball Ops, Dunleavy Asst GM 

Post#45 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Sep 7, 2019 10:19 pm

Bayside wrote:In business courses favoritism was taught to be a poor managerial trait. Can be cronyism or nepotism. But only illegal if infringing on protected areas like race religion etc. Produces high rollover I.e low retention and a demotivator.

In employment law it's also major area of enquiry leading to disappointment when heard not illegal unless broaches before mentioned areas

If you havent worked in an environment like that where your not the favorite crony or nepotism. It really sucks. I can attest to that first hand. My industry was riddled with it.
floppymoose wrote:What statistics are those?


Favoritism AFTER someone is employed IS bad which I've said all along, but relationships to get in the door is not close to "always bad".
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Re: Kirk Lacob the new VP of Basketball Ops, Dunleavy Asst GM 

Post#46 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Sep 7, 2019 10:20 pm

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Quazza wrote:So is Lil Lacob getting these roles because he's actually qualified or cos of Daddy ?


Also I had no idea Thugleavy was back.

*newble kicking him in the face gif*


nepotism at its finest, meritocracy baby


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Post#47 » by Bayside » Sat Sep 7, 2019 10:33 pm

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Bayside wrote:In business courses favoritism was taught to be a poor managerial trait. Can be cronyism or nepotism. But only illegal if infringing on protected areas like race religion etc. Produces high rollover I.e low retention and a demotivator.

In employment law it's also major area of enquiry leading to disappointment when heard not illegal unless broaches before mentioned areas

If you havent worked in an environment like that where your not the favorite crony or nepotism. It really sucks. I can attest to that first hand. My industry was riddled with it.
floppymoose wrote:What statistics are those?


Favoritism AFTER someone is employed IS bad which I've said all along, but relationships to get in the door is not close to "always bad".


Probably my last message on this as have busy day and I think everyone agrees more than disagrees. Just communicates differently.
Networking is a know successful way to get available and qualified personnel.
Nepotism and Cronyism is hiring people not because they are the best qualified of the available people looking for that position
Nepotism and Cronyism isn't good or bad. It is really common. It just has a lot of risk and lots of people navigate it well and others poorly. So commenting on it with the Warriors isnt some slight, it is just awareness of it.
A team of people working in tandem that are friends and family is better than a team of individuals with stars and dead weight working independently.

Have a good day. Sunday here.. I am out.
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Post#48 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Sep 7, 2019 11:46 pm

Bayside wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:
Bayside wrote:In business courses favoritism was taught to be a poor managerial trait. Can be cronyism or nepotism. But only illegal if infringing on protected areas like race religion etc. Produces high rollover I.e low retention and a demotivator.

In employment law it's also major area of enquiry leading to disappointment when heard not illegal unless broaches before mentioned areas

If you havent worked in an environment like that where your not the favorite crony or nepotism. It really sucks. I can attest to that first hand. My industry was riddled with it.


Favoritism AFTER someone is employed IS bad which I've said all along, but relationships to get in the door is not close to "always bad".


Probably my last message on this as have busy day and I think everyone agrees more than disagrees. Just communicates differently.
Networking is a know successful way to get available and qualified personnel.
Nepotism and Cronyism is hiring people not because they are the best qualified of the available people looking for that position
Nepotism and Cronyism isn't good or bad. It is really common. It just has a lot of risk and lots of people navigate it well and others poorly. So commenting on it with the Warriors isnt some slight, it is just awareness of it.
A team of people working in tandem that are friends and family is better than a team of individuals with stars and dead weight working independently.

Have a good day. Sunday here.. I am out.


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Post#49 » by wco81 » Sun Sep 8, 2019 6:50 am

Did the Warriors ever replace Travis Schlenk?

Or is it that title that Kirk holds now?

Who gets the final say on draft picks, Myers?

Wonder if Kirk had a vote when they were debating whether to trade Klay for Kevin Love.

Or for that matter whether to trade Steph or Monta.

I'd also want to know who was most responsible for the Barnes, Ezeli, Draymond draft.

Or the Jacob Evans draft.
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Post#50 » by floppymoose » Sun Sep 8, 2019 3:22 pm

As a stats nerd, i feel cheated.
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Post#51 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Sep 8, 2019 3:26 pm

wco81 wrote:Did the Warriors ever replace Travis Schlenk?

Or is it that title that Kirk holds now?

Who gets the final say on draft picks, Myers?

Wonder if Kirk had a vote when they were debating whether to trade Klay for Kevin Love.

Or for that matter whether to trade Steph or Monta.

I'd also want to know who was most responsible for the Barnes, Ezeli, Draymond draft.

Or the Jacob Evans draft.


Unfortunately we'll never know any of that.
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Post#52 » by Bayside » Sun Sep 8, 2019 7:24 pm

floppymoose wrote:As a stats nerd, i feel cheated.


Hard to come up with stats for that. Just case studies. Anecdotes etc. Not like this stuff gets out unless really bad and involves court media then its out in the open. Since legal how does it get categorized? It doesn't. Maybe decreases in family owned business over genartions? In my old career, I worked for several family owned business as that is how ownership of the industry was when I started. Succession planning was an issue most everyone in that field. Most of these turned really bad except the last one they did well and the family was a pleasure. There was also a lot of consolidation as family's lost their businesses and got brought into coops.

I don't want to mention to much because then its not anonymous and why you don't track stuff like this publicly
I have seen children sue parents. The children then get raided by FBI and lose it all.
Others lose family business to coop or VC groups. As the family fragment due to some generations just not the same as previous ones, and difference of opinion.
But that is just one industry and it has changed a lot, and I chose not to go back into that line of work. The politics are just unpleasant. Actually at my age, I am choosing not to do any international business at all and just stay in NZ.
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Post#53 » by clyde21 » Sun Sep 8, 2019 9:15 pm

wco81 wrote:Did the Warriors ever replace Travis Schlenk?

Or is it that title that Kirk holds now?

Who gets the final say on draft picks, Myers?

Wonder if Kirk had a vote when they were debating whether to trade Klay for Kevin Love.

Or for that matter whether to trade Steph or Monta.

I'd also want to know who was most responsible for the Barnes, Ezeli, Draymond draft.

Or the Jacob Evans draft.


the Draymond draft was when Jerry West was here...everything we've done since he's left has been questionable.
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Post#54 » by Scoots1994 » Mon Sep 9, 2019 7:26 pm

clyde21 wrote:the Draymond draft was when Jerry West was here...everything we've done since he's left has been questionable.


Only Jerry gets the wingz
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Post#55 » by SpreeChokeJob » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:38 am

clyde21 wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
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There are plenty of businesses that expanded once the children took over too.

A few famous kids who followed their parents into the family business off the top of my head ... Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr., etc.

It happens with business too. The Fords did it with great success, Porsche, Fidelity Investments, Icahn, Murdock, Newman, Berkshire Hathaway, Comcast.

Kirk busted his ass to earn the spot and he's been doing a good job from all accounts.



Shut up, Kirk


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that was such a cringey fkn post


Actually leaning towards Fitzgerald. Really has a company man feel to his posts.
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Post#56 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:28 pm

SpreeChokeJob wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:

Shut up, Kirk


:lol:

that was such a cringey fkn post


Actually leaning towards Fitzgerald. Really has a company man feel to his posts.


Getting rid of Jim Barnett and keeping Fitz shows that they prefer yes men over people that bring useful information and actual value.

The Warriors ownership isn't any different than the Kings. They just lucked out and got Stephen Curry.
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Post#57 » by Bayside » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:44 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
SpreeChokeJob wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
:lol:

that was such a cringey fkn post


Actually leaning towards Fitzgerald. Really has a company man feel to his posts.


Getting rid of Jim Barnett and keeping Fitz shows that they prefer yes men over people that bring useful information and actual value.

The Warriors ownership isn't any different than the Kings. They just lucked out and got Stephen Curry.


When they started, they sure made a lot of moves around trying to build a culture. Brought in big names to the office, and made decisions on committee after well discussed. etc. I have to do a shout out to West, getting rid of coaches and taking on Kerr. And Bogut trade. Bam, this was a different club and they were off. Jackson unperformed. As soon as he was gone , i picked warriors #1 next season before it started. best bet in my life. Thank you Warriors!

Are they regressing towards the mean now? Next few years will tell us.. Did the current crop learn enough of the trade early on? Still could go either way. They might just be full of themselves from the early success.
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Post#58 » by clyde21 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:04 pm

Bayside wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
SpreeChokeJob wrote:
Actually leaning towards Fitzgerald. Really has a company man feel to his posts.


Getting rid of Jim Barnett and keeping Fitz shows that they prefer yes men over people that bring useful information and actual value.

The Warriors ownership isn't any different than the Kings. They just lucked out and got Stephen Curry.


When they started, they sure made a lot of moves around trying to build a culture. Brought in big names to the office, and made decisions on committee after well discussed. etc. I have to do a shout out to West, getting rid of coaches and taking on Kerr. And Bogut trade. Bam, this was a different club and they were off. Jackson unperformed. As soon as he was gone , i picked warriors #1 next season before it started. best bet in my life. Thank you Warriors!

Are they regressing towards the mean now? Next few years will tell us.. Did the current crop learn enough of the trade early on? Still could go either way. They might just be full of themselves from the early success.


company man Scoots thinks we shouldn't worry about it so let's see
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Post#59 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:56 am

SpreeChokeJob wrote:Actually leaning towards Fitzgerald. Really has a company man feel to his posts.


Ouch.
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Post#60 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:59 am

Bayside wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
SpreeChokeJob wrote:
Actually leaning towards Fitzgerald. Really has a company man feel to his posts.


Getting rid of Jim Barnett and keeping Fitz shows that they prefer yes men over people that bring useful information and actual value.

The Warriors ownership isn't any different than the Kings. They just lucked out and got Stephen Curry.


When they started, they sure made a lot of moves around trying to build a culture. Brought in big names to the office, and made decisions on committee after well discussed. etc. I have to do a shout out to West, getting rid of coaches and taking on Kerr. And Bogut trade. Bam, this was a different club and they were off. Jackson unperformed. As soon as he was gone , i picked warriors #1 next season before it started. best bet in my life. Thank you Warriors!

Are they regressing towards the mean now? Next few years will tell us.. Did the current crop learn enough of the trade early on? Still could go either way. They might just be full of themselves from the early success.


To some extent their success made them continuing to succeed more difficult as their people wanted more power or more money and the kinds of people they want are now prized by the rest of the NBA too.

I certainly hope they keep hiring "the best" people and making the right decisions.

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