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Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:28 am
by cdubbz
HiRez wrote:azwfan wrote:The only teams that jump out at me that may be willing to make a dollar saving move would be the Rockets, Philly, and maybe Orlando (?).
I doubt the Rox would deal with us, but I wouldn't mind Covington if they're getting cheap and there's a way. Looks like his contract is $11.3M for next year. That's the type of versatile bench player we could use with Iguodala gone.
That would be extreme for the Rockets to let go of RoCo. The team would literally just be Russ & James harden haha.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:34 pm
by wco81
Not likely but the Rockets owner's business is hurting from the pandemic lockdowns.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:09 pm
by The Maestro
wco81 wrote:Not likely but the Rockets owner's business is hurting from the pandemic lockdowns.
From what I’ve read, the Rockets ownership is in a world of hurt and probably shouldn’t have been allowed to even buy the team. They are gonna have to dump players.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:56 pm
by KevinMcreynolds
The Maestro wrote:wco81 wrote:Not likely but the Rockets owner's business is hurting from the pandemic lockdowns.
From what I’ve read, the Rockets ownership is in a world of hurt and probably shouldn’t have been allowed to even buy the team. They are gonna have to dump players.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:17 pm
by The Maestro
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:00 am
by likashing
Why is Lacob’s group less hurt than others? With $1+B spent on building a stadium, where the predicted revenues from conferences and concerts etc and other events are now down the drain in the foreseeable future due to no vaccine and social distancing.
All their business were modeled after having 10-20k attendees cramped inside the stadium.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pm
by Scoots1994
The Maestro wrote:wco81 wrote:Not likely but the Rockets owner's business is hurting from the pandemic lockdowns.
From what I’ve read, the Rockets ownership is in a world of hurt and probably shouldn’t have been allowed to even buy the team. They are gonna have to dump players.
The team can probable get a loan with a plan to sell it to keep the players if it gets that bad.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:24 pm
by The Maestro
Scoots1994 wrote:The Maestro wrote:wco81 wrote:Not likely but the Rockets owner's business is hurting from the pandemic lockdowns.
From what I’ve read, the Rockets ownership is in a world of hurt and probably shouldn’t have been allowed to even buy the team. They are gonna have to dump players.
The team can probable get a loan with a plan to sell it to keep the players if it gets that bad.
The NBA wants Fertitta to sell a stake in the franchise and bring in minority owners to raise capital but Fertitta has refused. He wants to be sole owner.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:19 pm
by OptionZero
azwfan wrote:OptionZero wrote:Given his injury history and how much money he's made, plus his lack of production, he's a negative value contract. They'd need to pay us to take him, which is unlikely
For the reserve guard spot, you want some reliability, otherwise whats the point? We aren't in developmental mode trying to take bad contracts that might improve, we're looking for someone with a better track record and/or way less cost.
Someone like Shabazz Napier will probably cost around the minimum and is good for 12 minutes a night running a second unit, and is also fungible if we find a better option or if Poole improves enough to take a backup PG job on a contender.
There's more drastic moves like Ricky Rubio, who is pretty proven. We know what he can do, and he may be superfluous to PHX depending what they wanna do (Draft a PG high, clear cap space to sign someone, etc)
Afaik PHX is pushing to make the playoffs next year - they dont want Booker to be the next superstar tired of losing and demanding a trade. I find it highly unlikely the Suns would deal Rubio for dollar savings and/or draft assets. I think they’d be more likely to deal an unproven player (or their pick) for a vet.
The only teams that jump out at me that may be willing to make a dollar saving move would be the Rockets, Philly, and maybe Orlando (?). Milwaukee has a huge salary cap figure but I dont think they can afford to look budget conscience to Giannis.
As the cap numbers are released there may be other teams but I’m not picturing a huge market. Hope I’m wrong.
Sarver is notoriously cheap and that franchise has changed directions with no rhyme or reason for the past . . . nearly a decade?
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:20 pm
by OptionZero
The Maestro wrote:Scoots1994 wrote:The Maestro wrote:
From what I’ve read, the Rockets ownership is in a world of hurt and probably shouldn’t have been allowed to even buy the team. They are gonna have to dump players.
The team can probable get a loan with a plan to sell it to keep the players if it gets that bad.
The NBA wants Fertitta to sell a stake in the franchise and bring in minority owners to raise capital but Fertitta has refused. He wants to be sole owner.
texas trump took out some 30% loans to stay afloat
he might be the sole owner on paper but his **** is leverage to hell. Like taking out massive debt to buy a lambo. You might "own" the car but its really the bank's
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:26 pm
by OptionZero
cdubbz wrote:HiRez wrote:azwfan wrote:The only teams that jump out at me that may be willing to make a dollar saving move would be the Rockets, Philly, and maybe Orlando (?).
I doubt the Rox would deal with us, but I wouldn't mind Covington if they're getting cheap and there's a way. Looks like his contract is $11.3M for next year. That's the type of versatile bench player we could use with Iguodala gone.
That would be extreme for the Rockets to let go of RoCo. The team would literally just be Russ & James harden haha.
Look at their payroll. They're already headed that way
$131 already committed for next season for only 10 players
We know that egomanic isn't gonna pay the tax despite his hilarious proclamations otherwise.
The cap already gonna get wrecked, they're probably gonna have to artificially freeze the tax line at the same level it is now - $132M
So if you got $131M committed to 10 guys and the tax is $132M and you need minimum 13 players . . .
Tucker, Gordon, or Roco has to go. They'll probably deem Tucker untouchable given he's the key to their defense. Gordon has 4 years $75M (thats right . . $75M) STARTING next year, so good luck finding someone taking that remaining deal.
That leaves Roco who has a very reasonable $25m/2years left. Basically any contender would be happy to have him on that deal as a starter or key bench guy.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:44 pm
by wco81
Whatever the deal with his finances, he might have a hard time justifying a huge payroll if the Rockets don't make more noise in the playoffs.
That means at least the WCF and doing well probably.
If they compete well against the Lakers or Clippers, take either to at least 6 games, that's a reason to run it back with their roster.
But if they don't fare at least that well, why would he pay the luxury tax? They would in a sense be going backwards, carrying two super Max contracts, after swapping one for another super Max with I believe more years on the books.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:14 pm
by OptionZero
Lets not forget that D'Antoni has no contract for next year bc Fertitta lowballed the crap out of him
And he's gonna be ITCHING to fire Darryl Morey the SECOND he can over the China thing. Adam Silver wasn't gonna let him do that for PR reasons but if HOU trips up AT ALL, Fertitta is gonna jump on that as cover
morey's got a guaanteed contract for several more years but he will certainly have a new job shortly thereafter and the offset clause will let Fertitta save a few bucks
I could totally see him getting a retread like JVG on a cheaper deal since JVG isn't in demand. If we're lucky he'll give JVG personnel control
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:05 am
by Scoots1994
OptionZero wrote:Look at their payroll. They're already headed that way
$131 already committed for next season for only 10 players
We know that egomanic isn't gonna pay the tax despite his hilarious proclamations otherwise.
The cap already gonna get wrecked, they're probably gonna have to artificially freeze the tax line at the same level it is now - $132M
So if you got $131M committed to 10 guys and the tax is $132M and you need minimum 13 players . . .
Tucker, Gordon, or Roco has to go. They'll probably deem Tucker untouchable given he's the key to their defense. Gordon has 4 years $75M (thats right . . $75M) STARTING next year, so good luck finding someone taking that remaining deal.
That leaves Roco who has a very reasonable $25m/2years left. Basically any contender would be happy to have him on that deal as a starter or key bench guy.
I don't think the current CBA will let them leave the tax line where it is now without the cooperation of the NBAPA on cap smoothing, and right now the players relationship with the owners is not exactly strong. They'd probably love to have a work stoppage if pushed and hope to hold out.
On Fritata's finances, I absolutely think he's going to look for any excuse to slash his payroll, but he knows he can't do it for no reason and hope to keep the fans in Houston happy.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:13 pm
by OptionZero
Fertitta's claims have never been based on reality. I would not be shocked in the least if he ordered Morey to cut payroll while simultaneously claiming he has been the most committed owner ever to winning and we all need to SHUT UP AND LISTEN
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:29 am
by Bimbo_Coles
Do you think HOU would move ROCO for our 2021 FRP? If so, that would make for a great offseason along with Edwards or Wiseman.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:10 am
by kingcong95
Bimbo_Coles wrote:Do you think HOU would move ROCO for our 2021 FRP? If so, that would make for a great offseason along with Edwards or Wiseman.
So not only settle for a poor return, but also help their fanbase's most hated rival? Roco was acquired to epitomize their system, throwing him away like that would be PR suicide.
I'd go nuts if this happened, but surely even Fertitta isn't this desperate!
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:16 pm
by Scoots1994
kingcong95 wrote:Bimbo_Coles wrote:Do you think HOU would move ROCO for our 2021 FRP? If so, that would make for a great offseason along with Edwards or Wiseman.
So not only settle for a poor return, but also help their fanbase's most hated rival? Roco was acquired to epitomize their system, throwing him away like that would be PR suicide.
I'd go nuts if this happened, but surely even Fertitta isn't this desperate!
If he doesn't make payroll the NBA will take the team from him, and so far it sounds like he is refusing the NBA's advice so my guess is he's on a short leash with other owners.
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:13 am
by CS707
I’m sure this has been asked/answered already but I’m lazy - does the changed season timeline impact the TPE at all?
Re: TPE Trade Target Watch
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:25 am
by vetmin
gst8 wrote:I’m sure this has been asked/answered already but I’m lazy - does the changed season timeline impact the TPE at all?
Not really. The deadline just get pushed ahead to be in the same place relative to the new offseason dates
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