"Warriors prefer Israel prospect Deni Avdija over Wiseman or Ball"

[GQ Hot Dog]

blatant reading comprehension issues

i never said he could've traded for Winslow before the season, I said he GAVE AWAY a 1st rounder to get rid of Iguodala who was a clearly a PLUS asset that netted another team Justise Winslow...he had to PAY to give away what was CLEARLY a positive asset that could've netted US something at the deadline instead (irrelevant if it's Winslow or something else).

and calling Wiggins a 'top tier talent' is quite hysterical given he's been abjectively one of THE worst players and one of THE worst contracts in the entire league on a per minute basis going on 6 years now, but have at it.

This is an example of vulgar formal thinking. Essentially, you're saying if Iguodala was traded at the deadline as a plus asset, he could have been traded at any time as a plus asset. But formal thinking is fallacious thinking. You have to think of it dialectically. When the Warriors needed to clear Iguodala's salary nobody was willing to take him on for no salary in return without an asset attached. So at the beginning of the season he was a negative asset. When he was traded to Miami, they were willing to give up a marginally plus asset of Winslow but also insisted on attaching a whole bunch of wasted money. So was it really a plus to get Winslow in exchange for having to pay a ton of bad money next season? Memphis thought it was because they had no use for that money because they don't expect to attract any free agents. For the Warriors the cap room was more valuable to secure a player like Wiggins and a more valuable 1st than the one they gave up than it would be for a marginal plus asset like Winslow. The two clubs' situations were not at all the same and you're willfully overlooking that.

Iguodala was always a plus asset...what are you talking? he would've been a plus asset before the season and was clearly still a plus asset at the deadline...Myers completely misread the market for Iguodala and instead of treating him as a + asset he gave away a first rounder the same way Minny had to give away a first rounder for someone to take on Wiggins. it's stupid dumb on every level no matter how u slice it.

If Iguodala was a plus asset how come he didn't go to the Clippers for Moe Harkless, Jerome Robinson a 1st and a 2nd? A whole lot of bad money and a perpetually injured role player in Winslow is not what a plus asset returns.

[clyde21]

This is an example of vulgar formal thinking. Essentially, you're saying if Iguodala was traded at the deadline as a plus asset, he could have been traded at any time as a plus asset. But formal thinking is fallacious thinking. You have to think of it dialectically. When the Warriors needed to clear Iguodala's salary nobody was willing to take him on for no salary in return without an asset attached. So at the beginning of the season he was a negative asset. When he was traded to Miami, they were willing to give up a marginally plus asset of Winslow but also insisted on attaching a whole bunch of wasted money. So was it really a plus to get Winslow in exchange for having to pay a ton of bad money next season? Memphis thought it was because they had no use for that money because they don't expect to attract any free agents. For the Warriors the cap room was more valuable to secure a player like Wiggins and a more valuable 1st than the one they gave up than it would be for a marginal plus asset like Winslow. The two clubs' situations were not at all the same and you're willfully overlooking that.

Iguodala was always a plus asset...what are you talking? he would've been a plus asset before the season and was clearly still a plus asset at the deadline...Myers completely misread the market for Iguodala and instead of treating him as a + asset he gave away a first rounder the same way Minny had to give away a first rounder for someone to take on Wiggins. it's stupid dumb on every level no matter how u slice it.

If Iguodala was a plus asset how come he didn't go to the Clippers for Moe Harkless, Jerome Robinson a 1st and a 2nd? A whole lot of bad money and a perpetually injured role player in Winslow is not what a plus asset returns.

lol, wtf does that have to do with anything? maybe the Clippers wanted Morris instead? maybe the Grizz really like Winslow and would rather move Iggy East? what kinda argument is this?

Iguodala netted Justise Winslow, that is by definition a + asset...are you arguing that it's not?

[oaktownwarriors87]

you mean like the other 30 transactions I listed?

you mean most of which are garbage transactions like drafting Poole and Evans and resigning a completely broken down Looney who can barely even stay on the court at this point? that's what you're hanging your hat on? or are you flexing nuts on the Marquese **** Chriss transaction?

with no cap space he got

DLo
Looney
WCS
Burks
GRIII
D. Lee
Chriss
Spellman
Bowman
Poole
Paschall

All players that will be in NBA rotations next season. Go look at what other teams with no cap space did and get back to me.

That looks like the makings of a 20 win roster, and it cost 50 million + a few draft picks.

I don't think you're helping your case. That's literally the roster Myers built.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Iguodala was always a plus asset...what are you talking? he would've been a plus asset before the season and was clearly still a plus asset at the deadline...Myers completely misread the market for Iguodala and instead of treating him as a + asset he gave away a first rounder the same way Minny had to give away a first rounder for someone to take on Wiggins. it's stupid dumb on every level no matter how u slice it.

If Iguodala was a plus asset how come he didn't go to the Clippers for Moe Harkless, Jerome Robinson a 1st and a 2nd? A whole lot of bad money and a perpetually injured role player in Winslow is not what a plus asset returns.

lol, wtf does that have to do with anything? maybe the Clippers wanted Morris instead? maybe the Grizz really like Winslow and would rather move Iggy East? what kinda argument is this?

Iguodala netted Justise Winslow, that is by definition a + asset...are you arguing that it's not?

Yes, Winslow with all the additional money Memphis took on is not a + asset. You can't say Iguodala was traded for Winslow without including all the excess bad money.

[kingcong95]

Considering how awkward of a fit DLO was and the hard cap that resulted, I wonder if Myers considered the following in July:

To BKN: KD, min(2024 MIN 1st, 2024 GSW 1st)*
To MIN: DLO, Napier, Graham, 3.6M cash from GSW
To GSW: Wiggins, 2021 MIN 1st protected top 3/else 2022 1st unprotected, 2021 MIN 2nd (those are the same 2 picks we actually got), unprotected right to swap 1sts with MIN in 2024* (this is added because DLO's stock was higher and Wiggins' was lower at the time, and also because Golden State is paying the salary of 2 guys Minnesota doesn't want but has to take anyways)
*This pick was added at KD's request. After Golden State decides on the swap, Minnesota sends the pick it has to Brooklyn, but it is top 20 protected, just like the pick Brooklyn actually received. If it does not convey, Golden State and Minnesota each owe Brooklyn their 2025 2nd.

Since no sign-and-trade is necessary for us to receive Wiggins, we don't have to give up our 2024 1st to dump Iggy. The team would have sucked enough for Iggy to request a trade, but I certainly do not think we could have gotten Winslow for just him. Like @thinkingwarriors said, the Grizzlies also gave up Crowder, who could have gotten them a late 1st or two 2nds, and took on 29M in dead money on top of Winslow's 13M.

[clyde21]

If Iguodala was a plus asset how come he didn't go to the Clippers for Moe Harkless, Jerome Robinson a 1st and a 2nd? A whole lot of bad money and a perpetually injured role player in Winslow is not what a plus asset returns.

lol, wtf does that have to do with anything? maybe the Clippers wanted Morris instead? maybe the Grizz really like Winslow and would rather move Iggy East? what kinda argument is this?

Iguodala netted Justise Winslow, that is by definition a + asset...are you arguing that it's not?

Yes, Winslow with all the additional money Memphis took on is not a + asset. You can't say Iguodala was traded for Winslow without including all the excess bad money.

they didn't take any bad money, in fact Winslow is widely regarded as one of the best contracts in the entire NBA.

again, are you suggesting Iggy was a negative asset? because that's absurd. if you want to defend Myers fine, but this is just dumb.

[ClutchUp]

Like I said before you really didn't give any examples of what players he's not valuing or pursuing that were realistically attainable.

literally just did, he could've traded for Covington but decided to go Wiggins instead, he thought DLo would be a good fit on this team, he continuously neglected the wing position despite everyone knowing Durant was leaving, he legit thought it was a good idea to go into the year with Glen Robinson as our starting wing next to Curry and Dlo, he GAVE UP a future first to move Iguodala when Iguodala on his own netted another team Justise Winslow, etc....just terrible, literally nothing here makes me trust his basketball acumen at all

can he prove me wrong? of course and I hope he does...just not holding my breath based on what I've seen for far from him as a the top basketball guy

Now you're just making **** up to support your narrative.

-He never thought DLo was a good fit, he literally traded him as soon as he could.
-How did he neglect the wing position? What in-season move was he supposed to make while we're making a run at the finals? And once the offseason came what move should he have made with nothing but minimum contracts available? Tbh Burks was probably the best he could have possibly done.
-He didn't know KD was leaving. KD said he decided in his head he was leaving midway through the season and never actually notified Myers of his intentions. Myers can't rely on twitterverse rumblings.
-When we traded Iguodala and when Memphis traded him were completely different situations. We had to give something up to get rid of Iguodala because Memphis knew we literally had to clear the space that day. Whereas, Memphis could take their time and held out for 4 months until a team needing to make a playoff push needed him. And you conveniently left out they also had to give up Jae Crowder and take on Dion Waiters contract to get Winslow.

It actually slipped my mind Memphis took Dion Waiters back in that Winslow trade. Memphis waived him but that gives them 12 million of dead money on their cap next year. Looking back it that really wasn't a good deal for Memphis.

The Burks and Robinson additions worked out very well for Myers. He ended up flipping them for more picks than Detroit got in return for Drummond. That's not bad at all.

[GQ Hot Dog]

lol, wtf does that have to do with anything? maybe the Clippers wanted Morris instead? maybe the Grizz really like Winslow and would rather move Iggy East? what kinda argument is this?

Iguodala netted Justise Winslow, that is by definition a + asset...are you arguing that it's not?

Yes, Winslow with all the additional money Memphis took on is not a + asset. You can't say Iguodala was traded for Winslow without including all the excess bad money.

they didn't take any bad money, in fact Winslow is widely regarded as one of the best contracts in the entire NBA.

again, are you suggesting Iggy was a negative asset? because that's absurd. if you want to defend Myers fine, but this is just dumb.

Why are you refusing to acknowledge the other parts of the trade?

You're trying to say that since Iguodala yielded Winslow(at 3 yrs $39 mil), that's proof that Myers should have been able to trade Iguodala, our 2024 1st and our 2025 2nd for something better than the cap space that ultimately yielded Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st and 2021 2nd.

But the question is actually who won the trade of Iguodala, Crowder and $12,758,781 in Hill's expiring contract for Winslow, Dieng and Waiters $24,750,000 over two seasons. Another thing you don't acknowledge is that Crowder played 29mpg in 13 contests with Miami while Iguodala played only 18.5mpg in 14 games with Miami.

You're trying to frame it as Iguodala was the prize that required Winslow when the real context is that Winslow was the prize that required Crowder, Iguodala and a crap load of money being offloaded.

[clyde21]

Yes, Winslow with all the additional money Memphis took on is not a + asset. You can't say Iguodala was traded for Winslow without including all the excess bad money.

they didn't take any bad money, in fact Winslow is widely regarded as one of the best contracts in the entire NBA.

again, are you suggesting Iggy was a negative asset? because that's absurd. if you want to defend Myers fine, but this is just dumb.

Why are you refusing to acknowledge the other parts of the trade?

You're trying to say that since Iguodala yielded Winslow(at 3 yrs $39 mil), that's proof that Myers should have been able to trade Iguodala, our 2024 1st and our 2025 2nd for something better than the cap space that ultimately yielded Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st and 2021 2nd.

But the question is actually who won the trade of Iguodala, Crowder and $12,758,781 in Hill's expiring contract for Winslow, Dieng and Waiters $24,750,000 over two seasons. Another thing you don't acknowledge is that Crowder played 29mpg in 13 contests with Miami while Iguodala played only 18.5mpg in 14 games with Miami.

You're trying to frame it as Iguodala was the prize that required Winslow when the real context is that Winslow was the prize that required Crowder, Iguodala and a crap load of money being offloaded.

what other parts of the trade? are you talking Memphis also getting James Johnson (who was flipped for Dieng) and Dion Waiters (who was cut) back and sending back Crowder and Hill (a bad contract)? what about it? that even makes my point further, via Iguodala Memphis was able to get Winslow/Dieng and got rid of the Hill contract on top of it...in what world are you living in is this not positive value?

and I have no idea what Myers would've gotten, the entire point is that he PAID to trade Iguodala while another team RECEIVED to trade Iguodala, he completely misjudged the market for Iguodala at the time and panicked just to get the D-Lo trade (LOL) done. he got **** clowned by Memphis.

[Scoots1994]

Cleveland just spent a ton of time scouting Avidja so "leaking" this puts pressure on them if they pick ahead of us.

If it's an intentional leak it may be that the Warriors don't want Avidja and want to put pressure on other teams to draft him so that they leave the Warriors the players they want, but it seems too early for me, I think it's just false information.

Yeah, the idea that the Dubs FO would be playing mind games before the lottery has even set the order sounds unlikely. But why are these reports turning up now? I would hate to believe that our FO is so compromised and a sieve that it's incapable of keeping a secret.

Because the machine has no content so it has to create it.

[GQ Hot Dog]

It's like little Bobby Myers goes to the Memphis dollar store and the thing he wants, cap space, costs a dollar. He's got an Iguodala to trade but this Iggy's got a lot of miles on it and only valued at $0.25. But that 1st round draft pick in 2024 and 2nd rounder in 2025 are together worth $0.75. So put all those things together and little Bobby has enough to buy his cap space.

Now big bad Pat Riley comes in and says he's got a Winslow to sell. The Winslow has low miles but it's not running, big bad Pat doesn't have the time to figure out why, he needs something that runs right now. A low mileage Winslow is worth $2.00, but since it's busted he's only going to bring in $1.50. So big bad Pat takes the Crowder at $1.00 and the old Iguodala at $0.25.

The cashier goes to give Pat his $0.25 in change but Pat says, "Hold on their. I don't need that quarter half as much as I need someone to take this here pile of Waiters trash off my hands. How 'bout it?"

The cashier takes a look at the pile and replies, "Good lord that's a big pile of trash, it'll cost you $0.50 to leave it here."

So Pat searches his pockets but comes up empty. So he says, "Tell ya what, I see you got a pile of Hill trash over there that looks to be just about half the size of my Waiters trash. You give me the Hill, I give you the Waiters and we're square. Sound fair?

"Works for me says the cashier."

So Pat walks out with a Crowder in good working order that he'll put right to work, an old fragile Iguodala that he can work maybe half as much for a quarter of the output and he reduced his trash pile by half. All he had to give up was a newish but busted Winslow that he didn't have time to fix and so wasn't getting anything out of anyways.

Meanwhile the Memphis dollar store has twice as much trash filthing up the place as they had this morning and a busted Winslow that they have no guarantees will ever work right again.

[Warriorfan]

lol...every transaction you mentioned was when West was here...how about giving me something since West left the building that proves Myers knows wtf hes doing?

KD was a good add, Cousins was considered a good add,

Paschal was a good add.

Who knows what West exactly contributed as a consultant. Don't think he had final say.
West gets credit for keeping Klay who else.

Myers had nothing to do with KD, KD came here because he wanted to play with Steph and Klay and wanted to play in this system, it was also West's phone call with KD that apparently convinced him to come, Myers had really nothing to do with it at all, all what Myers did was completely fail to prepare for KD leaving.

and yea, Paschall was a decent pick, but is that what we're hanging our hat on here? should I ignore the **** Iguodala trade because of that? should I ignore that he completely neglected to address the most important position in the NBA today over and over again? should I ignore the trash Poole/Evans picks? or his complete ineptitude getting UDFAs (like Terence Davis as I was hear yelling he should grab him instead he went after Dedric **** Lawson)...etc etc.

honestly not really sure what Myers has done to earn ya'll loyalty, but hopefully i'm wrong about him anyways. we'll see.

By nature of his job logic says he has something to do with the roster what besides your opinion do you have that shows otherwise

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-most-interesting-quotes-from-kevin-durants-first-warriors-press-conference/

[GQ Hot Dog]

they didn't take any bad money, in fact Winslow is widely regarded as one of the best contracts in the entire NBA.

again, are you suggesting Iggy was a negative asset? because that's absurd. if you want to defend Myers fine, but this is just dumb.

Why are you refusing to acknowledge the other parts of the trade?

You're trying to say that since Iguodala yielded Winslow(at 3 yrs $39 mil), that's proof that Myers should have been able to trade Iguodala, our 2024 1st and our 2025 2nd for something better than the cap space that ultimately yielded Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st and 2021 2nd.

But the question is actually who won the trade of Iguodala, Crowder and $12,758,781 in Hill's expiring contract for Winslow, Dieng and Waiters $24,750,000 over two seasons. Another thing you don't acknowledge is that Crowder played 29mpg in 13 contests with Miami while Iguodala played only 18.5mpg in 14 games with Miami.

You're trying to frame it as Iguodala was the prize that required Winslow when the real context is that Winslow was the prize that required Crowder, Iguodala and a crap load of money being offloaded.

what other parts of the trade? are you talking Memphis also getting James Johnson (who was flipped for Dieng) and Dion Waiters (who was cut) back and sending back Crowder and Hill (a bad contract)? what about it? that even makes my point further, via Iguodala Memphis was able to get Winslow/Dieng and got rid of the Hill contract on top of it...in what world are you living in is this not positive value?

and I have no idea what Myers would've gotten, the entire point is that he PAID to trade Iguodala while another team RECEIVED to trade Iguodala, he completely misjudged the market for Iguodala at the time and panicked just to get the D-Lo trade (LOL) done. he got **** clowned by Memphis.

The sum total of what Myers got is the best value in all these exchanges.

Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st, 2021 2nd and enough money saved to get under the tax line is worth more than:

1. Crowder, Iguodala, Hill
2. Winslow, Dieng, Waiters, Warriors 2024 1st
3. Russell, Johnson, Spellman, Evans

[clyde21]

Why are you refusing to acknowledge the other parts of the trade?

You're trying to say that since Iguodala yielded Winslow(at 3 yrs $39 mil), that's proof that Myers should have been able to trade Iguodala, our 2024 1st and our 2025 2nd for something better than the cap space that ultimately yielded Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st and 2021 2nd.

But the question is actually who won the trade of Iguodala, Crowder and $12,758,781 in Hill's expiring contract for Winslow, Dieng and Waiters $24,750,000 over two seasons. Another thing you don't acknowledge is that Crowder played 29mpg in 13 contests with Miami while Iguodala played only 18.5mpg in 14 games with Miami.

You're trying to frame it as Iguodala was the prize that required Winslow when the real context is that Winslow was the prize that required Crowder, Iguodala and a crap load of money being offloaded.

what other parts of the trade? are you talking Memphis also getting James Johnson (who was flipped for Dieng) and Dion Waiters (who was cut) back and sending back Crowder and Hill (a bad contract)? what about it? that even makes my point further, via Iguodala Memphis was able to get Winslow/Dieng and got rid of the Hill contract on top of it...in what world are you living in is this not positive value?

and I have no idea what Myers would've gotten, the entire point is that he PAID to trade Iguodala while another team RECEIVED to trade Iguodala, he completely misjudged the market for Iguodala at the time and panicked just to get the D-Lo trade (LOL) done. he got **** clowned by Memphis.

The sum total of what Myers got is the best value in all these exchanges.

Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st, 2021 2nd and enough money saved to get under the tax line is worth more than:

1. Crowder, Iguodala, Hill
2. Winslow, Dieng, Waiters, Warriors 2024 1st
3. Russell, Johnson, Spellman, Evans

lmao no, we essentially traded:

Justise Winslow, a future 1st

for

Andrew Wiggins, a future 1st

while hard capping ourselves and picking up by far the worst contract of the bunch in the process

this impressed you?

[azwfan]

what other parts of the trade? are you talking Memphis also getting James Johnson (who was flipped for Dieng) and Dion Waiters (who was cut) back and sending back Crowder and Hill (a bad contract)? what about it? that even makes my point further, via Iguodala Memphis was able to get Winslow/Dieng and got rid of the Hill contract on top of it...in what world are you living in is this not positive value?

and I have no idea what Myers would've gotten, the entire point is that he PAID to trade Iguodala while another team RECEIVED to trade Iguodala, he completely misjudged the market for Iguodala at the time and panicked just to get the D-Lo trade (LOL) done. he got **** clowned by Memphis.

The sum total of what Myers got is the best value in all these exchanges.

Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st, 2021 2nd and enough money saved to get under the tax line is worth more than:

1. Crowder, Iguodala, Hill
2. Winslow, Dieng, Waiters, Warriors 2024 1st
3. Russell, Johnson, Spellman, Evans

lmao no, we essentially traded:

Justise Winslow, a future 1st

for

Andrew Wiggins, a future 1st

while hard capping ourselves and picking up by far the worst contract of the bunch in the process

this impressed you?

Let me ask you this Clyde. If you are going to hard cap yourself and as a result give yourself very little resources to put together a quality team... when would you want to do that?

A) In a season when you are pushing for a championship
B) In a season when you are pushing for one of the last playoff spots
C) When your star player is gonna break his hand a few games into the season, your 2nd best player is already out for the year with an ACL, and when the season is going to be cancelled before the playoffs even begin

#lightyearsahead

[GQ Hot Dog]

what other parts of the trade? are you talking Memphis also getting James Johnson (who was flipped for Dieng) and Dion Waiters (who was cut) back and sending back Crowder and Hill (a bad contract)? what about it? that even makes my point further, via Iguodala Memphis was able to get Winslow/Dieng and got rid of the Hill contract on top of it...in what world are you living in is this not positive value?

and I have no idea what Myers would've gotten, the entire point is that he PAID to trade Iguodala while another team RECEIVED to trade Iguodala, he completely misjudged the market for Iguodala at the time and panicked just to get the D-Lo trade (LOL) done. he got **** clowned by Memphis.

The sum total of what Myers got is the best value in all these exchanges.

Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st, 2021 2nd and enough money saved to get under the tax line is worth more than:

1. Crowder, Iguodala, Hill
2. Winslow, Dieng, Waiters, Warriors 2024 1st
3. Russell, Johnson, Spellman, Evans

lmao no, we essentially traded:

Justise Winslow, a future 1st

for

Andrew Wiggins, a future 1st

while hard capping ourselves and picking up by far the worst contract of the bunch in the process

this impressed you?

More revisionism, you're unbelievable!

Unlike Memphis we had no way to absorb Waiters and James Johnson's salary which was the central part of the trade from Miami's perspective.

You seem to think the trade was Winslow for Iguodala and you're dead wrong! The trade was Crowder and Iguodala for Winslow and nearly $29 million in unwanted salary for next season. You can't just omit key parts of the trade to suit your bogus agenda. Winslow was in Memphis' favor and it took ALL the other pieces going in Miami's favor to make the trade work.

[clyde21]

The sum total of what Myers got is the best value in all these exchanges.

Wiggins, Minny's 2021 1st, 2021 2nd and enough money saved to get under the tax line is worth more than:

1. Crowder, Iguodala, Hill
2. Winslow, Dieng, Waiters, Warriors 2024 1st
3. Russell, Johnson, Spellman, Evans

lmao no, we essentially traded:

Justise Winslow, a future 1st

for

Andrew Wiggins, a future 1st

while hard capping ourselves and picking up by far the worst contract of the bunch in the process

this impressed you?

More revisionism, you're unbelievable!

Unlike Memphis we had no way to absorb Waiters and James Johnson's salary which was the central part of the trade from Miami's perspective.

You seem to think the trade was Winslow for Iguodala and you're dead wrong! The trade was Crowder and Iguodala for Winslow and nearly $29 million in unwanted salary for next season. You can't just omit key parts of the trade to suit your bogus agenda. Winslow was in Memphis' favor and it took ALL the other pieces going in Miami's favor to make the trade work.

1) Memphis threw in Solomon Hill and Jae Crowder, if you exclude those two then Waiters/Johnson would've never been included, the entire deal could've easily just been Winslow for Iguodala -- do u understand that or no?

2) I don't give a **** about the Memphis deal anyways, the entire point is that Iguodala was a plus asset, whether we traded with memphis or miami or dallas or who the the **** ever, it doesn't change the FACT that Myers misread the market and turned a + asset into a negative one.

this really isn't that complicated honestly.

[GQ Hot Dog]

lmao no, we essentially traded:

Justise Winslow, a future 1st

for

Andrew Wiggins, a future 1st

while hard capping ourselves and picking up by far the worst contract of the bunch in the process

this impressed you?

More revisionism, you're unbelievable!

Unlike Memphis we had no way to absorb Waiters and James Johnson's salary which was the central part of the trade from Miami's perspective.

You seem to think the trade was Winslow for Iguodala and you're dead wrong! The trade was Crowder and Iguodala for Winslow and nearly $29 million in unwanted salary for next season. You can't just omit key parts of the trade to suit your bogus agenda. Winslow was in Memphis' favor and it took ALL the other pieces going in Miami's favor to make the trade work.

1) Memphis threw in Solomon Hill and Jae Crowder, if you exclude those two then Waiters/Johnson would've never been included, the entire deal could've easily just been Winslow for Iguodala -- do u understand that or no?

2) I don't give a **** about the Memphis deal anyways, the entire point is that Iguodala was a plus asset, whether we traded with memphis or miami or dallas or who the the **** ever, it doesn't change the FACT that Myers misread the market and turned a + asset into a negative one.

this really isn't that complicated honestly.

Solomon Hill was thrown in to match salary for this year while Jae Crowder is actually a useful player, he's no salary filler. The $29 million Miami saved was all for NEXT SEASON.

But whatever, needless to say I and almost everyone else on this forum doesn't agree with you and for painfully obvious reasons.

Like I said, your bogus agenda.

[KevinMcreynolds]

you mean most of which are garbage transactions like drafting Poole and Evans and resigning a completely broken down Looney who can barely even stay on the court at this point? that's what you're hanging your hat on? or are you flexing nuts on the Marquese **** Chriss transaction?

with no cap space he got

DLo
Looney
WCS
Burks
GRIII
D. Lee
Chriss
Spellman
Bowman
Poole
Paschall

All players that will be in NBA rotations next season. Go look at what other teams with no cap space did and get back to me.

That looks like the makings of a 20 win roster, and it cost 50 million + a few draft picks.

I don't think you're helping your case. That's literally the roster Myers built.

Again, zero cap space. How many times do I have to say it? What magical moves could he have made when we have 3 maxed out players and no flexibility? Really the only thing that can even be argued is should we have done the trade for DLo or kept iguodala? Either way, we still have no flexibility for years to come. Even if we kept Dre instead of taking on a max we'll still be over the cap because of Steph, Klay, Dray.

And we didn't give up any substantial draft picks. The pick we gave BKN will be a 2nd, the pick we gave Memphis will be a late 1st and we're received a likely top 10 pick from Minnesota and three 2nds. So we've actually improved our draft standing.

[Coxy]

This thread has turned into great entertainment.