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Post#2 » by cdubbz » Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:45 pm

Somewhat off your topic, but I’ve stayed away from ESPN, First Take, The Jump and those shoes because they’ve been recycling debates like no others during the pandemic.
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Post#3 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:21 pm

Yeah....Warriors team is the best team of all time. 73 win team...two finals appearances...that core ADDS Durant...

BTW...I actually think Lakers and Celtic teams were better than those Bulls teams. Timing is important. The Bulls run started as Lakers and Celtics passed their primes. Bulls teams were feasting on Knicks, Pacers, Cavs in those playoff runs...eh.
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Post#4 » by Coxy » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:40 pm

I watched Klays 60 points in 3 quarters game the other day for chuckles, and watching that team again is like watching a 2k game on cheat mode. That team was the best of all time, period. All other teams are just amateurs compared.
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Coxy wrote:I watched Klays 60 points in 3 quarters game the other day for chuckles, and watching that team again is like watching a 2k game on cheat mode. That team was the best of all time, period. All other teams are just amateurs compared.


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Post#6 » by Coxy » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:13 am

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Coxy wrote:I watched Klays 60 points in 3 quarters game the other day for chuckles, and watching that team again is like watching a 2k game on cheat mode. That team was the best of all time, period. All other teams are just amateurs compared.


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The lineup of Steph/Klay/Iguodala/Durant/Green is unmatched. They would just roll teams like they weren't even there. The movement off the ball, the shooting, the fast breaks, the smart passing, the screen setting, the plugging lanes on D, and even when things got a bit stale, boom just give it to KD for a bucket. It really wasn't fair and looking back now, I can see why fans cried like 8 year school girls about it.

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Post#7 » by ILOVEIT » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:02 pm

Coxy wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Coxy wrote:I watched Klays 60 points in 3 quarters game the other day for chuckles, and watching that team again is like watching a 2k game on cheat mode. That team was the best of all time, period. All other teams are just amateurs compared.


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The lineup of Steph/Klay/Iguodala/Durant/Green is unmatched. They would just roll teams like they weren't even there. The movement off the ball, the shooting, the fast breaks, the smart passing, the screen setting, the plugging lanes on D, and even when things got a bit stale, boom just give it to KD for a bucket. It really wasn't fair and looking back now, I can see why fans cried like 8 year school girls about it.

Good times.


That lineup....really almost unreal...the IQ...Really 4 all defensive players and 3.5 all offensive players.

Just for fun....

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Giannis, Green....would that be a better lineup?
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Post#8 » by jamesnamida » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:29 am

Regardless if it's mid 90's (wasnt as physical as 80s/early 90s) or 2017 rules/refs, the warriors 3 point shooting would just mathematically overpower the bulls playstyle. Jordan though the GOAT, benefited from superstar calls during his championship runs.
I dont believe the bulls guards can keep up on the perimeter verse the moving screen motion offense. Hell, the cavs have been illegally handchecking and grabbing curry and klay in the playoffs since 2015. The bulls can't do much better to make up for the difference in offense.

they went 16-1 in the playoffs, the 1 loss was with the cavs going HAM on 3 point shots- something the bulls can't do. kerr and kokuc are good shooters but they wont have the volume with jordan and pip around.
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Post#9 » by wco81 » Tue May 5, 2020 1:39 am

So one thing I didn't know, the NBA moved the 3-point line in for 3 seasons, 94-95 through 96-97, 3 full seasons.

Moved it from 23'9" at the closest to 22 feet all the way around.

MJ and Pippen got a bunch of their career 3 pointers during these seasons.
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Post#10 » by Flash Falcon X » Tue May 5, 2020 8:23 pm

Bill Simmons briefly discussed this in his recent podcast as well. He thinks the 2017 Warriors should be the #1 seed in any "Best Team Ever" Tournament. lol. And yes you could put MJ and Pippen on Steph and Klay but you'd have to guard them from 35+ feet out every possession while GSW still has KD as another option and Draymond on the court ready to make reads as well.

And honestly, this 2017 rarely tried that entire year and still won a championship. Coasted. Imagine if they actually tried and played with a chip on their shoulder. Yes they would have lost Game 1 against the Spurs if Kawhi didn't get hurt, but they would have quickly flipped the switch and win the rest of the games in that series.
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Post#11 » by ILOVEIT » Wed May 6, 2020 10:20 pm

God I hope Warriors land Giannis if ONLY to then be compared again to the Bulls and for folks to still insist the Bulls are the best ever lol.
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Post#12 » by wco81 » Wed May 6, 2020 11:07 pm

The other factor is, there was expansion right around the time the Bulls were winning.

Two teams added in 88 and two more in 89 and then two more in 95.

The 72-win Bulls were going against a really diluted NBA. One example they showed is that the Jazz went from 51 wins to 61 wins. Stockton and Malone didn't just get better or a better cast when it had a 10-game improvement in the span of a couple of years.
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Post#13 » by wco81 » Tue May 12, 2020 11:05 pm

OK, I just watched the episode where MJ explains why he punched Kerr.

You know, he just wanted to toughen up all his teammates did it for their good and the overall good of the team.

What a crock of BS.

He bullied everyone on the team, including the GM, once he became a superstar and the face of the franchise. He goaded them most of the time, taunting them. How did trash talking own teammates make them better players?

Then he hit one of the smallest guys on the team, someone whom he could beat up if it escalated.

His explanation for being an **** is that he was SO competitive, he acted this way.

And then the supposed perceived slight, like that obscure Washington Wizards player or Karl supposedly dissing him. Or saying the Glove didn't bother him, though apparently he only shot 37% when Payton guarded him.

What a petty guy

And look at the scores of those Finals games. Many of them they didn't even score into the 90s.

Trash basketball with favorable officiating made this legend. He's great but had a lot of help from the league, despite being personally a horrible human being.
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Post#14 » by KevinMcreynolds » Wed May 13, 2020 2:22 am

wco81 wrote:OK, I just watched the episode where MJ explains why he punched Kerr.

You know, he just wanted to toughen up all his teammates did it for their good and the overall good of the team.

What a crock of BS.

He bullied everyone on the team, including the GM, once he became a superstar and the face of the franchise. He goaded them most of the time, taunting them. How did trash talking own teammates make them better players?

Then he hit one of the smallest guys on the team, someone whom he could beat up if it escalated.

His explanation for being an **** is that he was SO competitive, he acted this way.

And then the supposed perceived slight, like that obscure Washington Wizards player or Karl supposedly dissing him. Or saying the Glove didn't bother him, though apparently he only shot 37% when Payton guarded him.

What a petty guy

And look at the scores of those Finals games. Many of them they didn't even score into the 90s.

Trash basketball with favorable officiating made this legend. He's great but had a lot of help from the league, despite being personally a horrible human being.


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Post#15 » by Money_ » Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 am

Yeah, I gleaned something way different... Michael is an imperfect emotional dude with TREMENDOUS basketball skill and knowledge that maybe cared a little too much about winning at times. like all the time... So when Phil kept calling fouls on Michael during the scrimmage he thought coach was favoring Kerr. So he pushed Kerr hard and said "NOW that's a foul!" Kerr punched/pushed MJ in the chest and Michael punched him in the eye. End of story. Something that happens every once in a while with two competitive athletes. Michael felt bad almost immediately and apologized. He had an old school way of riding his teammates. I had coaches and teammates like that in the 80s. I don't agree with the approach or enjoy it but back then it wasn't out of the ordinary to have some of that going on. I actually got to punch the toughest guy on my team in his face and not get my a** kicked because all the coaches and teammates were there to save me... but that guy never picked on me again.

Favorable calls or not, no officiating can cause what Michael did on the court. period. I was there, I watched it happen live.
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Post#16 » by wco81 » Wed May 13, 2020 4:01 am

Remember this documentary doesn't get made without his okay.

Some people didn't want anything to do with it, like Longley.

Kerr takes the high road in all things. Now if he had refused, it would kind of be a big deal.

Barkely said last week he doesn't think they will ever be friends again.

No I have no question about his ability or the work he put in on his skills. Bulls got to play physically in the playoffs, even without an elite center and when they played against Ewing and young Shaq. Their big role players got away with a lot while Ewing often got in foul trouble.

People are talking about how great Rodman was and he was. But he got away with things against Shaq that lets say someone like Scott Pollard didn't get away with when Shaq went to the Lakers -- still remember the time Shaq elbowed him in the Adam's Apple and Pollard got called for the foul and after the game, Pollard's voice was gone.
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Post#17 » by wco81 » Thu May 21, 2020 12:32 am

So this documentary confirmed for many that MJ is the GOAT.

But it may also confirm that he is the GOAT jerk.

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