SF_Warriors wrote: northoakland510 wrote:
Mcgee had a ton of flaws..inconsistent defensively, low bball iq, no jumper or post moves to speak of, somewhat low motor. He was just an athletic freak with decent touch around the basket. He filled a hole, nothing more, but was really effective in limited minutes.
I know he had his flaws, but in those limited minutes it worked well. Definitely could have used him in the finals against Toronto where our undersized big's couldn't protect the rim.
Yea I agree he would have helped. The threat for lobs and put backs would have been better than a limited cousins. Also cousins was a ball stopper and turnover machine. Mcgee playing those minutes wpuld mean a more fluid offense.
Now imagine a souped up version who can stay on the floor for 30 min a night
The issue I have with the overhyping of Wiseman is people just assuming he'll be better as a rookie than prime Javale was. It took Javale eight years to get to the point where he was capable of playing minutes on a contender. He played meaningful minutes for Denver when he was a younger, but he was exploitable and Karl didn't trust him all that much. It took one of the most athletic 7 footers to ever walk this planet nearly a decade to figure out how to play within himself and not get burned too often on defense. And even then, Kerr only felt comfortable giving Javale 10 minutes a game. Those minutes decreased in the playoffs too.
Javale is a pretty smart guy by all accounts. His basketball IQ can be spotty, but he's definitely not a moron. I'm sure Wiseman isn't a moron either, but the videos of I've seen of his college games don't scream high basketball IQ. The only game he played against decent competition was against Oregon and the game tape has several instances of Wiseman making terrible defensive reads on how high to hedge and how to properly rotate. That's against college level guards. You really think a rookie Wiseman is going to be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs? Luka, Harden, Jamal Murray, Donovan Mitchell, Paul George, Khawi, Lebron, Ja Morant, Lillard, Chris Paul, SGA... you'll have to face one of those guys in any playoff series in the West and they're going to attack Wiseman and he'll be lucky to play 15 minutes a game in the playoffs as a rookie. He sure as hell won't be sniffing the floor in crunch time.
If you want to take Wiseman, you have to be honest with yourself and recognize he's going to be a project. That project could be interesting -- he's massive, he's a fluid athlete, and he seems to be pretty skilled at shooting and handling for a guy his size -- but nothing in his past screams NBA ready outside of his body. You draft Wiseman and you'll need another vet C in the rotation. Looney is awesome when he's healthy, but he's not cut out for bruising with the more tanky C's. I like Chriss and am intrigued by watching his development play out, but he's not a bruiser either. You're not going to have your biggest and beefiest C be a rookie. That just doesn't work when you might have to go up against Jokic or Anthony Davis deep in the playoffs.
Wiseman could be interesting, but I do not for the life of me understand how people on this board have talked themselves into the idea that he'll be a souped up Javale or the equivalent of a present day DeAndre Jordan or Hassan Whiteside as a rookie. All of those guys took years to get to the point where they were useful players on winning teams. If you want to compare Wiseman to bigs who were drafted higher like Ayton, Towns, or Davis, well even those guys weren't good defenders as a rookies. It took Davis two years for his defensive impact to match up with the counting stats. Towns still sucks on defense and he's a pretty good athlete and highly skilled player. Ayton only just started to figure it out defensively in the bubble.
Y'all gotta chill with the Wiseman hype.