Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:00 am
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YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
Coxy wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
Absolutely zero interest in Lowry, unless it is for Oubre + Looney or something. Kyle is turning 35 in March and is expiring, and he likely does not resign with us in a backup role.
FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.
YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:How interested would you guys be in Lowry? Something like Wiggins/Paschall or Wiggins/pick? Since Oubre is hit garbage maybe him as well for Powell?
Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.
Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man
FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:
Not particularly interested in adding assets to shed Wiggins' salary with the way he's playing. We're so far over the cap that cap savings just doesnt have much value, and Lowry does not seem like a long-term fit. If you are looking to absorb a bad contract and find a team that needs a PG, Wiggins' former team probably a better bet.
Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man
We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.
To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent
YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man
We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.
To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent
Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Wasn’t viewing it as a salary shedding opportunity, was thinking he would be a legitimate upgrade and be a fantastic player as your 3rd/4th option once Klay returns next year. Lowry/Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiseman seems like an incredible lineup. Could include Powell for Oubre as well who would be a great sixth man
We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.
To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent
Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
personally wouldn’t trade Him. Powell is the targetazwfan wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:
We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.
To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent
Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
What would you want for Terrance Davis?
FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:
We cant have someone smaller than Curry out there on the court with him starting.. Lowry would be relegated to a 20mpg bench role if we got him. And we'd have to retain him.. and since it would cost additional assets to Wiggins, just dont see it having legs as a fit for us. Value wise its of course fine from our side, but doesnt seem to jive with how we play.
To wit, look at our smaller guards not named Curry (Mulder, Wannamaker, Poole) - those would be the minutes we'd have available for Lowry, and it seems wasteful considering his talent
Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that
Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned
Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.
So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason
YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that
Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned
Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.
So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason
Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.
Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha
YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that
Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned
Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.
So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason
Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.
Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha
Coxy wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:He couldn't, but it merits more of an explanation than just that
Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned
Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.
So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason
Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.
Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha
1. Would Lowry be OK coming off the bench next season?
2. Would Lowry resign with us for a cheaper, bench role.
Wiggins absolutely has a role with the Warriors, especially on defence. The lineup next season will be Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Green/Wiseman, so Lowry leading the bench unit and possibly being involved in the death lineup I can see. Wiggins for Lowry doesn't work, because Kyle Lowry will be 35 this season, 36 next season. Unless Kyle is drinking the Lebron fountain of youth, we aren't trading a 25 yr old above average wingman with great defence for a guy that will play 1, maybe 2 more seasons before his age will dramatically effect his play.
The only thing that makes sense here on our end is Oubre +/+ for Lowry, but the salaries are WAY off and we don't have the external salaries to bridge the gap.
YogurtProducer wrote:Coxy wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.
Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha
1. Would Lowry be OK coming off the bench next season?
2. Would Lowry resign with us for a cheaper, bench role.
Wiggins absolutely has a role with the Warriors, especially on defence. The lineup next season will be Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Green/Wiseman, so Lowry leading the bench unit and possibly being involved in the death lineup I can see. Wiggins for Lowry doesn't work, because Kyle Lowry will be 35 this season, 36 next season. Unless Kyle is drinking the Lebron fountain of youth, we aren't trading a 25 yr old above average wingman with great defence for a guy that will play 1, maybe 2 more seasons before his age will dramatically effect his play.
The only thing that makes sense here on our end is Oubre +/+ for Lowry, but the salaries are WAY off and we don't have the external salaries to bridge the gap.
Wiggins must be playing better than he did last year and in Minny. I never thought he would be an untouchable piece haha
YogurtProducer wrote:FNQ wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Lowry has been playing the 2 here in TO, I assume he could do it in GS as well.
He couldn't, but
it merits more of an explanation than just that
Wiggins, currently our 2, is in the Klay role defensively when we go man to man. That means its his job to stifle the primary wing player (sometimes including PG) whos likely the most ball-dominant. This is because Curry plays better off-ball, so whenever we get that chance, we take it. And this is a big reason why Wiggins' defense is being celebrated this year as opposed to maligned
Conversely when there's a small, PG-sized ball-dominant guard, we tend to fall back into a zone more. And the wings of that zone (Wiggins/Oubre) are super long, because our over-help style defense needs them to recover extremely fast to challenge 3pt shooters.
So is it possible we could make something work with Lowry? Of course - but we'd have to pivot from a strategy that's working pretty well right now, and I dont think the upside is there to make it worth it for us, especially at the expense of our most dependable bench scorer, or future assets that can really help us next offseason
Ah see I think you guys would be smarter to be thinking for next year, and I don’t see Wiggins having a role once Klay returns.
Wiggins who at this point is a role player for Lowry who is an all star seemed like a no brainer to me. As a Toronto fan I know our team would get 15 wins worse making that move, which is kind of why I want it haha