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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1701 » by FNQ » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:51 pm

If we draft someone at 6-8 and they are not starting out in our rotation, considering our current backups, then that's a whiff of a pick. Unless we're picking another project, in which case, I guess we really will be trying to have our cake and eat it too.

And as we all know, thats a very sound strategy :blank:
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1702 » by and1GS » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:54 pm

Yes that was my central point, though I'd be OK keeping one of the picks.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1703 » by Samurai » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:36 pm

Kerr's interview on merging the timelines of both Wiseman and Curry (from a podcast with Tim Kawakami): "The thing that everybody is going to talk about is Steph’s timeline. And I understand that. That’s a legitimate concern. But what I would say is I think James is going to help us win games next year. And it’s OK if he’s not playing 30 minutes. Because we can win games with (Kevon) Looney on the floor. We can win games with Draymond (Green) playing the five.

I think this is all really a good way for us to be good in the next couple years and solidify an important position at the center spot for the next decade as well. Those things are not mutually exclusive. We can do both. It’s just everyone’s sort of in this panic, ‘You’ve got to take advantage of Steph’s timeline!’ Which I understand. But it’s just not that simple.”
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1704 » by Sleepy51 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:50 pm

Samurai wrote:Kerr's interview on merging the timelines of both Wiseman and Curry (from a podcast with Tim Kawakami): "The thing that everybody is going to talk about is Steph’s timeline. And I understand that. That’s a legitimate concern. But what I would say is I think James is going to help us win games next year. And it’s OK if he’s not playing 30 minutes. Because we can win games with (Kevon) Looney on the floor. We can win games with Draymond (Green) playing the five.

I think this is all really a good way for us to be good in the next couple years and solidify an important position at the center spot for the next decade as well. Those things are not mutually exclusive. We can do both. It’s just everyone’s sort of in this panic, ‘You’ve got to take advantage of Steph’s timeline!’ Which I understand. But it’s just not that simple.”


Even if it's not true, they need to get off of this narrative that we MUST trade Wiseman. It's bad for business on multiple fronts, not the least of which includes the "successfully trading Wiseman for value" front. I usually want Kerr to say less whenever possible, but there is way to much chatter going around about what the Warriors "have to" do and that puts them in a weak position for negotiating and actually trying to build the best possible team around Steph. Someone has to start making the contra case that we CAN keep Wiseman and it will take a legitimate offer to get us to include him in a deal.

These early playoff exits for the Lakers, Clippers and Portland are good for us. It reminds everything that a whole bunch of teams need to make changes every year. It's not a special crippling disadvantage that the Warriors aren't a shoe-in champion that opens us up to all sorts of buggery on the trade machine.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1705 » by cpower » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:03 pm

Samurai wrote:Kerr's interview on merging the timelines of both Wiseman and Curry (from a podcast with Tim Kawakami): "The thing that everybody is going to talk about is Steph’s timeline. And I understand that. That’s a legitimate concern. But what I would say is I think James is going to help us win games next year. And it’s OK if he’s not playing 30 minutes. Because we can win games with (Kevon) Looney on the floor. We can win games with Draymond (Green) playing the five.

I think this is all really a good way for us to be good in the next couple years and solidify an important position at the center spot for the next decade as well. Those things are not mutually exclusive. We can do both. It’s just everyone’s sort of in this panic, ‘You’ve got to take advantage of Steph’s timeline!’ Which I understand. But it’s just not that simple.”

his tone will change when Curry makes it clear that he is not signing that extension. just wait and see :lol:
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1706 » by Samurai » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:06 pm

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Samurai wrote:Kerr's interview on merging the timelines of both Wiseman and Curry (from a podcast with Tim Kawakami): "The thing that everybody is going to talk about is Steph’s timeline. And I understand that. That’s a legitimate concern. But what I would say is I think James is going to help us win games next year. And it’s OK if he’s not playing 30 minutes. Because we can win games with (Kevon) Looney on the floor. We can win games with Draymond (Green) playing the five.

I think this is all really a good way for us to be good in the next couple years and solidify an important position at the center spot for the next decade as well. Those things are not mutually exclusive. We can do both. It’s just everyone’s sort of in this panic, ‘You’ve got to take advantage of Steph’s timeline!’ Which I understand. But it’s just not that simple.”


Even if it's not true, they need to get off of this narrative that we MUST trade Wiseman. It's bad for business on multiple fronts, not the least of which includes the "successfully trading Wiseman for value" front. I usually want Kerr to say less whenever possible, but there is way to much chatter going around about what the Warriors "have to" do and that puts them in a weak position for negotiating and actually trying to build the best possible team around Steph. Someone has to start making the contra case that we CAN keep Wiseman and it will take a legitimate offer to get us to include him in a deal.

These early playoff exits for the Lakers, Clippers and Portland are good for us. It reminds everything that a whole bunch of teams need to make changes every year. It's not a special crippling disadvantage that the Warriors aren't a shoe-in champion that opens us up to all sorts of buggery on the trade machine.

One of the key takeaways that I got from the interview is that Kerr seems to disagree with the common thinking on this board that either a) Wiseman helps us win games during Curry's window or b) Wiseman can be a building block for years after Curry is retired. But you have to choose one and it can't be both. Kerr is arguing that both points are not mutually exclusive.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1707 » by Sleepy51 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:49 pm

Samurai wrote:
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Samurai wrote:Kerr's interview on merging the timelines of both Wiseman and Curry (from a podcast with Tim Kawakami): "The thing that everybody is going to talk about is Steph’s timeline. And I understand that. That’s a legitimate concern. But what I would say is I think James is going to help us win games next year. And it’s OK if he’s not playing 30 minutes. Because we can win games with (Kevon) Looney on the floor. We can win games with Draymond (Green) playing the five.

I think this is all really a good way for us to be good in the next couple years and solidify an important position at the center spot for the next decade as well. Those things are not mutually exclusive. We can do both. It’s just everyone’s sort of in this panic, ‘You’ve got to take advantage of Steph’s timeline!’ Which I understand. But it’s just not that simple.”


Even if it's not true, they need to get off of this narrative that we MUST trade Wiseman. It's bad for business on multiple fronts, not the least of which includes the "successfully trading Wiseman for value" front. I usually want Kerr to say less whenever possible, but there is way to much chatter going around about what the Warriors "have to" do and that puts them in a weak position for negotiating and actually trying to build the best possible team around Steph. Someone has to start making the contra case that we CAN keep Wiseman and it will take a legitimate offer to get us to include him in a deal.

These early playoff exits for the Lakers, Clippers and Portland are good for us. It reminds everything that a whole bunch of teams need to make changes every year. It's not a special crippling disadvantage that the Warriors aren't a shoe-in champion that opens us up to all sorts of buggery on the trade machine.

One of the key takeaways that I got from the interview is that Kerr seems to disagree with the common thinking on this board that either a) Wiseman helps us win games during Curry's window or b) Wiseman can be a building block for years after Curry is retired. But you have to choose one and it can't be both. Kerr is arguing that both points are not mutually exclusive.


I never assume that coaches are telling the fans or the media what they really think. I do think he wants other people in the NBA to believe that the Warriors are not prepared to get fleeced out of Wiseman's potential. That's just good posturing if nothing else.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1708 » by Sleepy51 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:51 pm

cpower wrote:
Samurai wrote:Kerr's interview on merging the timelines of both Wiseman and Curry (from a podcast with Tim Kawakami): "The thing that everybody is going to talk about is Steph’s timeline. And I understand that. That’s a legitimate concern. But what I would say is I think James is going to help us win games next year. And it’s OK if he’s not playing 30 minutes. Because we can win games with (Kevon) Looney on the floor. We can win games with Draymond (Green) playing the five.

I think this is all really a good way for us to be good in the next couple years and solidify an important position at the center spot for the next decade as well. Those things are not mutually exclusive. We can do both. It’s just everyone’s sort of in this panic, ‘You’ve got to take advantage of Steph’s timeline!’ Which I understand. But it’s just not that simple.”

his tone will change when Curry makes it clear that he is not signing that extension. just wait and see :lol:


Or hey, maybe Curry will also be intelligent enough not to put the front office in weak bargaining positions for the sake of fan schadenfreude?
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1709 » by Onus » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:18 pm

Wiseman should be usable. He's big and he can finish plays. His role was just way too big for him. They gave him a ton of rope and he didn't know what to do. Everyone I read thought the Warriors would be a good landing spot for him because they would simplify his role and have him focus on a few things that they needed like rebounding and playing defense, while he would be able to take his time to develop his game offensively. But the Warriors decided they wanted to be a lottery team and just roll the ball out and see what he could do.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1710 » by shazam_guy » Fri Jun 4, 2021 9:10 pm

The Ws had no pre-season preparation, no summer league, no proper training camp. They didn't know what they would have until they had players on the court. This was the weirdest season in NBA history, at least that I can remember, so why was everyone so shocked that Wiseman was a complicated fit? He's an amazing-potential basically high school player. Nothing happened this year that changed my mind one bit about Wiseman, because nothing happened that couldn't be expected.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1711 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 10:46 pm

Just no longer being a rookie will help with the refs. So length will help with defense. Defense and rebounding on one end and dunking, screening, and rebounding on the other end while always hustling to the other end of the floor. If he does those things he'll be a positive.
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Post#1712 » by shazam_guy » Sat Jun 5, 2021 8:16 am

Also, if we keep Smailagic for two or three years but give up on Wiseman after one and panic-trade him, I'll be so pissed...
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1713 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 4:44 am

shazam_guy wrote:Also, if we keep Smailagic for two or three years but give up on Wiseman after one and panic-trade him, I'll be so pissed...


Heard basically nothing positive about Smiley this last year. Not a good sign at all for him.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1714 » by shazam_guy » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:42 am

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doesn't change the fact that his archetype is not a good fit on this team.

the quicker you guys admit this the easier these conversations will be.


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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1715 » by clyde21 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 6:12 am

some of yall really take it personal when it comes to any Wiseman criticism...kinda weird
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1716 » by whatisacenter » Tue Jun 8, 2021 4:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:some of yall really take it personal when it comes to any Wiseman criticism...kinda weird


don't be daft, the quicker you stop the easier these conversations will be...
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1717 » by Scoots1994 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 5:16 pm

The funny thing for me is that the issue was, in some part, the expectations unrealistic fans had that Wiseman would somehow be the INCREDIBLY rare teenage big who contributes as a rookie to a winning team.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1718 » by clyde21 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 5:25 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
clyde21 wrote:some of yall really take it personal when it comes to any Wiseman criticism...kinda weird


don't be daft, the quicker you stop the easier these conversations will be...


stop what? voicing our opinions on Wiseman?

oh no! :lol:
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Post#1719 » by whatisacenter » Tue Jun 8, 2021 5:57 pm

clyde21 wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
clyde21 wrote:some of yall really take it personal when it comes to any Wiseman criticism...kinda weird


don't be daft, the quicker you stop the easier these conversations will be...


stop what? voicing our opinions on Wiseman?

oh no! :lol:


I am pretty sure you know this but maybe you are being obtuse....your opinion is one thing and your delivery is another.
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Re: WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1 

Post#1720 » by WarriorGM » Wed Jun 9, 2021 6:13 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:The funny thing for me is that the issue was, in some part, the expectations unrealistic fans had that Wiseman would somehow be the INCREDIBLY rare teenage big who contributes as a rookie to a winning team.


If that wasn't a possibility why draft him in the first place?

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