Kings want to get rid of Marvin Bagley because he is an abysmal defender

[paco59]

The former number 2 pick, 6'11" C/PF with loads of offensive talents. He was averaging 14.9 pts and 7.4 rbs per game in his rookie season , better stat than Wiseman. That was very good number in his rookie season. He doesn't defend like Wiseman but he is a better rebounder.

Overall, he is very similar to Wiseman even their hairstyles.


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As much offensive talent as Bagley has, he is an abysmal defender and the Kings, in his three seasons, have been a 47-66 team with Bagley healthy and a winning team (45-44) with Bagley out.

[BBQ Thurmond]

The former number 2 pick, 6'11" C/PF with loads of offensive talents. He was averaging 14.9 pts and 7.4 rbs per game in his rookie season , better stat than Wiseman. That was very good number in his rookie season. He doesn't defend like Wiseman but he is a better rebounder.

Overall, he is very similar to Wiseman even their hairstyles.


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As much offensive talent as Bagley has, he is an abysmal defender and the Kings, in his three seasons, have been a 47-66 team with Bagley healthy and a winning team (45-44) with Bagley out.

Can you please clarify what you mean by "he doesn't defend like Wiseman?"

I am not on this thread to pile on Wiseman, but Wiseman is not at this point his career an average defender. Is Bagley worse than Wiseman on the defensive end of the court or, hopefully, you are suggesting that Wiseman is better on the defensive end?

Also, it would make sense that Bagley had a better rookie year than Wiseman, as Bagley had played a year at Duke with top collegiate coaching and competition.

[paco59]

The former number 2 pick, 6'11" C/PF with loads of offensive talents. He was averaging 14.9 pts and 7.4 rbs per game in his rookie season , better stat than Wiseman. That was very good number in his rookie season. He doesn't defend like Wiseman but he is a better rebounder.

Overall, he is very similar to Wiseman even their hairstyles.


Here is the quote

As much offensive talent as Bagley has, he is an abysmal defender and the Kings, in his three seasons, have been a 47-66 team with Bagley healthy and a winning team (45-44) with Bagley out.

Can you please clarify what you mean by "he doesn't defend like Wiseman?"

I am not on this thread to pile on Wiseman, but Wiseman is not at this point his career an average defender. Is Bagley worse than Wiseman on the defensive end of the court or, hopefully, you are suggesting that Wiseman is better on the defensive end?

Also, it would make sense that Bagley had a better rookie year than Wiseman, as Bagley had played a year at Duke with top collegiate coaching and competition.

Both are defensive liabilities.

[paco59]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/03/31/evan-mobley-nba-draft/%3foutputType=amp

One eastern GM already lumped Wiseman with Bagley and called them mistakes

[Warriors Analyst]

Wiseman’s D doesn’t concern me that much long term. He’s still a project C, which is why he was always a bad idea at the #2 but he’ll be an above average defender by year 3 or 4. He just won’t ever be elite or someone you can throw onto AD or switch onto Luka.

The offense is more concerning. Wiseman is shooting 55% TS and has an OBPM of -4.3. In his final year as a Warrior, Andris Biedrins shot 45% TS And had a -4.8 OBPM. So despite shooting a full 10 percentage points higher then Biedrins — a guy who refused to roll hard on PNR because he didn’t want to shot free throws and generally avoided doing anything on offense other than setting screens — Wiseman is only marginally better than him on offense.

[ILOVEIT]

Taking that type of player at that position in the draft is the mistake.....but....

I think Wiseman actually cares...has a high IQ...and is just not a full grown man yet. I think his ceiling is higher than Bags...that and the better motor gives him a better shot at succeeding.

Look...the issue,IMO, is drafting project bigs just doesn't make sense for todays NBA.

They are TARGETS. Other teams are HAPPY to get that switch and drive right by them.

[paco59]

Taking that type of player at that position in the draft is the mistake.....but....

I think Wiseman actually cares...has a high IQ...and is just not a full grown man yet. I think his ceiling is higher than Bags...that and the better motor gives him a better shot at succeeding.

Look...the issue,IMO, is drafting project bigs just doesn't make sense for todays NBA.

They are TARGETS. Other teams are HAPPY to get that switch and drive right by them.

But Bagley has better stats in points and rebounding, lol

To change his current trajectory, Wiseman needs to totally change up his whole approach and have different mentality.

Lock himself in a gym like mailman.




If he continues to be goofball he will a bust in couple years
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[paco59]

If Wiseman has no natural defensive capibility then he should just need beef up and play like a thug , aka bill laimbeer. He was a stretch center with no shotblocking and no athleticism.

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