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Fire Steve Kerr 

Post#1 » by Jester_ » Sat May 22, 2021 3:59 am

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Post#2 » by cpower » Sat May 22, 2021 4:03 am

its on Myers and our owners. biggest payroll with the worst talent..i can do better than them.
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Post#3 » by Currygoat » Sat May 22, 2021 6:20 am

Who’s idea was to let Ja Morant shoot warm up jumpers all game. I’ve seen the worse nba shooters make 10 in a row in warmups if left wide open. Stupid game plan by Kerr we let him get to comfortable
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Post#4 » by Phase 3 » Sat May 22, 2021 6:37 am

He’s not going anywhere but he had a bad year. Not as awful as the front office but still pretty bad. It’s tough to match the level of failure that Myers and the Lacob kids brought to the table this season. I don’t think I could put together a less talented offensive roster around Steph if I tried...impressive stuff.

Back to Kerr...IMO he needs to get the hunger back that he had in his earlier years as a coach. It doesn’t seem like he even enjoys coaching that much.
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Post#5 » by Frozzy » Sat May 22, 2021 6:40 am

Kerr definitely lost his edge this year. I don't understand all the skipped practices.
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Post#6 » by Upperclass » Sat May 22, 2021 6:41 am

Kerr coached his azz off after they decided to stop tanking. He lost the Lakers game by leaving jta on the bench late but he didn't lose vs the grizzlies. It was just time for them to lose to a deeper, hungrier squad
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Re: Fire Steve Kerr 

Post#7 » by killmongrel » Sat May 22, 2021 6:41 am

Phase 3 wrote:He’s not going anywhere but he had a bad year. Not as awful as the front office but still pretty bad. It’s tough to match the level of failure that Myers and the Lacob kids brought to the table this season. I don’t think I could put together a less talented offensive roster around Steph if I tried...impressive stuff.

Back to Kerr...IMO he needs to get the hunger back that he had in his earlier years as a coach. It doesn’t seem like he even enjoys coaching that much.


Kerr has more passion talking about social political issues than coaching it seems. That is until he's asked about China.
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Post#8 » by Phase 3 » Sat May 22, 2021 6:44 am

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Phase 3 wrote:He’s not going anywhere but he had a bad year. Not as awful as the front office but still pretty bad. It’s tough to match the level of failure that Myers and the Lacob kids brought to the table this season. I don’t think I could put together a less talented offensive roster around Steph if I tried...impressive stuff.

Back to Kerr...IMO he needs to get the hunger back that he had in his earlier years as a coach. It doesn’t seem like he even enjoys coaching that much.


Kerr has more passion talking about social political issues than coaching it seems. That is until he's asked about China.


He just seemed joyless for most of this year. Like he’s in pain or something...I don’t know if he’s still experiencing health issues but something is up.
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Post#9 » by TinmanZBoy » Sat May 22, 2021 11:19 am

He did a commendable job particularly on defense, had guys buying in... but his in game adjustments, end of game plays have a lot to be desired, actually it seems to me he has never been good on those areas, feel like he failed a lot of tight games....
Stephen was super tight on those situations too, not a good combination
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Post#10 » by mos_def » Sat May 22, 2021 11:40 am

cpower wrote:its on Myers and our owners. biggest payroll with the worst talent..i can do better than them.


Stop it! Kerr has only unleashed Curry upon the league with 2 mvps and nominated this year.
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Re: Fire Steve Kerr 

Post#11 » by mos_def » Sat May 22, 2021 11:41 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:He did a commendable job particularly on defense, had guys buying in... but his in game adjustments, end of game plays have a lot to be desired, actually it seems to me he has never been good on those areas, feel like he failed a lot of tight games....
Stephen was super tight on those situations too, not a good combination


Tho those critiques are valid, I think Kerr is more a players coach who makes the players decide the game. How many times have we seen Kerr during timeout say, take a breathe we can play and not draw anything?
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Re: Fire Steve Kerr 

Post#13 » by Sleepy51 » Sat May 22, 2021 12:53 pm

What I saw was a broken roster with a mixed mission to start the year. Win & develop may not be impossible, but you probably can't do both at any serious high level. We won a little and developed a little. That's about what was possible.

I saw Kerr try to develop a not NBA ready prospect with mixed results, but clear progress occurring right at the moment JW's injury happened. I saw him try to maximize a low IQ, historically negative, high $ free agent acquisition by putting him in the limited positions where he could succeed for us. I saw Kerr recognize and make space for Jordan Poole to bring his talent to the NBA stage while also trying to help Poole learn how to play with Curry and within the system. I saw Andrew Wiggins become a DOMINANT defender and more than passable contributor to a contender next season basically erasing the negative asset stigma attached to the remaining years on Wiggins contract. I saw Kerr try to protect and preserve Curry as much as possible, while letting him have room to win a scoring title and come in a likely 2nd for MVP (and still Curry ended up gassed in the extra frames of the two most consequential games.) I would say unequivocally that the much maligned Curry substitution patter was largely vindicated. Curry's rest schedule clearly improved Curry's ability to be effective in closing minutes of halves and games. Playing him more resulted in getting less in the final moments. I saw our bench actually get meaningfully better at playing Warriors basketball during the 8 man run. The guys with high IQ's were able to move the ball and create a number of great shots by passing on the good shot and I saw them actually WIN bench minutes a few times down the stretch. That progress was all on coaching and all on commitment to our system despite all the voices clamoring for more Hardenball to make life easier on the dummies.

OTOH, I saw WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much Wannamaker. Too much trust in Bazemore. Not enough trust in Lee. No development of any ancillary skills in Paschall (probably more on the player than the coach, but Kerr is in the big chair.) A broken development strategy for Wiseman for much of the year (but possibly a front office mandate rather than a coaching choice). ​I saw in game and playcall mistakes, some of which he admitted to. I saw way too much sensitivity and pride in the media, trying to "win the argument in the press" (take another page out of Pop's book coach and don't coach your team in the press...at all.)

Overall, I saw a pretty good coaching job amidst pretty difficult circumstances, with some missteps. Certainly nothing firing-worthy.

I doubt he's even on the hotseat next year. Myers would most assuredly go first. If Meyers does have a "failure" offseason and gets the axe after another season limited by the roster, only then would Kerr be next in line (only because Lacob can't fire himself.)
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Post#14 » by Scoots1994 » Sat May 22, 2021 1:25 pm

Don't need to kick Kerr to the curb, but Kerr does need more help on the bench.
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Post#15 » by Onus » Sat May 22, 2021 1:54 pm

Kerr isn’t a developmental coach. He wasn’t ready to coach such a young and inexperienced roster. He’s fine with vets.

But his not prioritizing winning throughout the season cost us. Imagine a coach saying if I had to win a game tomorrow we would change the starting lineup and then run the same lineup throughout the season. Imagine a coach saying we aren’t chasing wins. And imagine said coach is coaching the best player in the league at the same time as saying these things. And people wonder why we were the 8th seed and only 39-33. Kerr probably cost Curry an mvp this year as well being a 5th seed by not prioritizing winning throughout the year.
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Post#16 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sat May 22, 2021 3:00 pm

Kerr is the best coach in basketball. His ability to coach the most marginally athletic 8-man rotation in the league to the 5th rated defense overall, 3rd in opponent FG% is a testament to how good he is.

We have exactly 3 + athletes on the roster in Wigs, Oubre and Wiseman and two of those guys didn't finish the season healthy. JTA, Bazemore and Paschall are mediocre athletes and the rest are below average.

Steph, Dray, Loon, Poole, Lee and Mulder are all below average athletic talents by NBA standards.

And you guys can't recognize how well Kerr did in almost coaching this bunch to the playoffs? Clueless and pathetic is what the lot of you are.
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Post#17 » by Money_ » Sat May 22, 2021 3:23 pm

Kerr himself talked about how much fun he had coaching this year. He actually had to coach...
And I for one, thought he did damn good job considering what he had to work with.
We can second guess all kinds of things after a bad loss, but it's silly.
They didn't match or surpass the Grizz's intensity all night. The players didn't want it more than Grizz did, plain and simple.
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Post#18 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sat May 22, 2021 3:52 pm

Money_ wrote:Kerr himself talked about how much fun he had coaching this year. He actually had to coach...
And I for one, thought he did damn good job considering what he had to work with.
We can second guess all kinds of things after a bad loss, but it's silly.
They didn't match or surpass the Grizz's intensity all night. The players didn't want it more than Grizz did, plain and simple.


Also, the Grizz aren't the most offensively talented team around but they're deep. They played 9 guys double-digit minutes in a 53 minutes game, we played 7 guys. We're a team without great athletes because of years drafting in the late 20s or out of the 1st altogether. And of course we were depleted by injuries and the Grizz got healthy just in time for the end of the season. They have only one guy on the injury report.
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Re: Fire Steve Kerr 

Post#19 » by Jester_ » Sat May 22, 2021 3:55 pm

Great coaches exceed expectations when it matters. I.e Spo (2020), Carlisle (2011), Pop (2013)

Average coaches do well in the season but never exceed expectations in the playoffs. I.e Budenholzer (2016, 2019),

Who does Kerr sound more like?

He's not a bad coach. He's also nowhere close to a great one. He's good at setting good processes and culture. He might be one of the worst in-game coaches in the league. He's also useless at player development - even Mark Jackson was better.

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Post#20 » by Jester_ » Sat May 22, 2021 3:56 pm

GQ Hot Dog wrote:Kerr is the best coach in basketball. His ability to coach the most marginally athletic 8-man rotation in the league to the 5th rated defense overall, 3rd in opponent FG% is a testament to how good he is.

We have exactly 3 + athletes on the roster in Wigs, Oubre and Wiseman and two of those guys didn't finish the season healthy. JTA, Bazemore and Paschall are mediocre athletes and the rest are below average.

Steph, Dray, Loon, Poole, Lee and Mulder are all below average athletic talents by NBA standards.

And you guys can't recognize how well Kerr did in almost coaching this bunch to the playoffs? Clueless and pathetic is what the lot of you are.


There's absolutely nothing impressive about coaching a team with the greatest offensive player of all time and one of the greatest defensive players of all time to missing the playoffs. Utter nonsense.

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