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The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development

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Did the Warriors front office fail Curry this year?

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Re: The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development 

Post#81 » by FNQ » Tue Jun 8, 2021 10:31 pm

Jokic wins MVP but frankly think that has more to do with team record :dontknow:
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Post#82 » by Onus » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:36 pm

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What if Curry was on board with all of the moves?

Even if Curry is on board with it, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Just like player injuries, the player probably is asking to play through it, but sometimes you have to do what's in the best interest of the player and protect them from themselves.


You are saying that if he agreed with the plan they still failed him? So if he was involved in making the plan you are saying they should have gone back on their agreed decision and screwed him over for his own good. Riiiiight, I'm sure superstars love it when you disregard their opinion.

Wait you think Curry went into this season saying let’s develop wiseman and miss the playoffs? You think he was involved with making that decision? Or do you think it was brought up to him and he said whatever is best for the franchise. Those are 2 very different approaches but only one of those would you be disregarding curry’s opinion, which isn’t realistic.
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Re: The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development 

Post#83 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:50 pm

FNQ wrote:Jokic wins MVP but frankly think that has more to do with team record :dontknow:

It could. Hard to argue with either way. Jokic had a hell of a season in his own right. I'd make room for him on our squad /shrug
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Re: The Front Office failed Curry this year 

Post#84 » by Scoots1994 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:59 pm

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Onus wrote:Even if Curry is on board with it, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Just like player injuries, the player probably is asking to play through it, but sometimes you have to do what's in the best interest of the player and protect them from themselves.


You are saying that if he agreed with the plan they still failed him? So if he was involved in making the plan you are saying they should have gone back on their agreed decision and screwed him over for his own good. Riiiiight, I'm sure superstars love it when you disregard their opinion.

Wait you think Curry went into this season saying let’s develop wiseman and miss the playoffs? You think he was involved with making that decision? Or do you think it was brought up to him and he said whatever is best for the franchise. Those are 2 very different approaches but only one of those would you be disregarding curry’s opinion, which isn’t realistic.


So the way hypotheticals work is you put forth a situation and then discuss assuming it is true. You accepted the hypothetical of "What if Curry was on board with all of the moves?" then argued the Warriors should have screwed him over and gone against the plan anyhow.

And in reality I don't think it's all that unlikely that Kerr and Myers talked to Curry early and often about drafting and developing Wiseman as a rookie knowing he would not be able to contribute much.
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Re: The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development 

Post#85 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 12:01 am

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FNQ wrote:Jokic wins MVP but frankly think that has more to do with team record :dontknow:

It could. Hard to argue with either way. Jokic had a hell of a season in his own right. I'd make room for him on our squad /shrug


Record usually plays a part. MVP more than most awards is about the narrative.
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Re: The Front Office failed Curry this year 

Post#86 » by Onus » Wed Jun 9, 2021 12:09 am

Scoots1994 wrote:
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You are saying that if he agreed with the plan they still failed him? So if he was involved in making the plan you are saying they should have gone back on their agreed decision and screwed him over for his own good. Riiiiight, I'm sure superstars love it when you disregard their opinion.

Wait you think Curry went into this season saying let’s develop wiseman and miss the playoffs? You think he was involved with making that decision? Or do you think it was brought up to him and he said whatever is best for the franchise. Those are 2 very different approaches but only one of those would you be disregarding curry’s opinion, which isn’t realistic.


So the way hypotheticals work is you put forth a situation and then discuss assuming it is true. You accepted the hypothetical of "What if Curry was on board with all of the moves?" then argued the Warriors should have screwed him over and gone against the plan anyhow.

And in reality I don't think it's all that unlikely that Kerr and Myers talked to Curry early and often about drafting and developing Wiseman as a rookie knowing he would not be able to contribute much.


Agreed with the plan is different than making the plan. You start with saying they agreed but somehow you turn it into it was his plan. Those are 2 different premises ...
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Re: The Front Office failed Curry this year 

Post#87 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 12:31 am

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Onus wrote:Wait you think Curry went into this season saying let’s develop wiseman and miss the playoffs? You think he was involved with making that decision? Or do you think it was brought up to him and he said whatever is best for the franchise. Those are 2 very different approaches but only one of those would you be disregarding curry’s opinion, which isn’t realistic.


So the way hypotheticals work is you put forth a situation and then discuss assuming it is true. You accepted the hypothetical of "What if Curry was on board with all of the moves?" then argued the Warriors should have screwed him over and gone against the plan anyhow.

And in reality I don't think it's all that unlikely that Kerr and Myers talked to Curry early and often about drafting and developing Wiseman as a rookie knowing he would not be able to contribute much.


Agreed with the plan is different than making the plan. You start with saying they agreed but somehow you turn it into it was his plan. Those are 2 different premises ...


I said "on board with" not agreed nor that it was his plan.
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Post#88 » by Onus » Wed Jun 9, 2021 12:40 am

Scoots1994 wrote:
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So the way hypotheticals work is you put forth a situation and then discuss assuming it is true. You accepted the hypothetical of "What if Curry was on board with all of the moves?" then argued the Warriors should have screwed him over and gone against the plan anyhow.

And in reality I don't think it's all that unlikely that Kerr and Myers talked to Curry early and often about drafting and developing Wiseman as a rookie knowing he would not be able to contribute much.


Agreed with the plan is different than making the plan. You start with saying they agreed but somehow you turn it into it was his plan. Those are 2 different premises ...


I said "on board with" not agreed nor that it was his plan.

So how do you get from "on board with" to disregarding his opinion?
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Re: The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development 

Post#89 » by FNQ » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:52 am

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FNQ wrote:Jokic wins MVP but frankly think that has more to do with team record :dontknow:

It could. Hard to argue with either way. Jokic had a hell of a season in his own right. I'd make room for him on our squad /shrug


He definitely deserves it, but I always have a hard time getting behind Cs who aren’t quality defensive anchors. But I’m also tired of online folks who throw stats like DBPM or DRPM, which have become extremely dated in the industry, to justify that these guys are ok to good defenders.. I can’t wait for player tracking on defense to become public. As someone who really loved the analytics movement, it’s really created as many bad takes as the old eye test itself
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Re: The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development 

Post#90 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:19 pm

FNQ wrote:
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FNQ wrote:Jokic wins MVP but frankly think that has more to do with team record :dontknow:

It could. Hard to argue with either way. Jokic had a hell of a season in his own right. I'd make room for him on our squad /shrug


He definitely deserves it, but I always have a hard time getting behind Cs who aren’t quality defensive anchors. But I’m also tired of online folks who throw stats like DBPM or DRPM, which have become extremely dated in the industry, to justify that these guys are ok to good defenders.. I can’t wait for player tracking on defense to become public. As someone who really loved the analytics movement, it’s really created as many bad takes as the old eye test itself


I agree, but at least people care about defense now. Not to far in the past defensive players were considered specialists of little team value.

I think people still want a single number to point to to evaluate a player as if it answers all questions.
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Post#91 » by cpower » Wed Jun 9, 2021 5:28 pm

FNQ wrote:Jokic wins MVP but frankly think that has more to do with team record :dontknow:

if we did not go all in with our rookie experiment it would have been Curry's to lose. oh well.
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Post#92 » by WarriorGM » Wed Jun 9, 2021 5:42 pm

That there was even a whiff of doubt from management in Curry's ability to carry this team is a failure on their part.

Must be contagious though since Curry did fail to play in a playoffs series.

Seeing all the reactions here though the feeling I get is that most of you have low expectations of Curry.

He needs a change of scenery.

We need to see the Splash Brothers back again and we will next year. But if for whatever reason the reunion on court does not live up to past glory days, I want Steph to go to another team—and it is becoming clear what team that should be. Unlike the Warriors who don't seem interested in catering to their star as they should, there is a GM who has assembled a team that features his brother, his brother's father-in-law, and a fellow Under Armour sponsored superstar and has shown that he is willing to get fined to draw Steph's interest. Should Steph go with that or an organization that didn't think he could go deep in the playoffs?
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Post#93 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jun 9, 2021 5:53 pm

WarriorGM wrote:That there was even a whiff of doubt from management in Curry's ability to carry this team is a failure on their part.

Must be contagious though since Curry did fail to play in a playoffs series.

Seeing all the reactions here though the feeling I get is that most of you have low expectations of Curry.

He needs a change of scenery.

We need to see the Splash Brothers back again and we will next year. But if for whatever reason the reunion on court does not live up to past glory days, I want Steph to go to another team—and it is becoming clear what team that should be. Unlike the Warriors who don't seem interested in catering to their star as they should, there is a GM who has assembled a team that features his brother, his brother's father-in-law, and a fellow Under Armour sponsored superstar and has shown that he is willing to get fined to draw Steph's interest. Should Steph go with that or an organization that didn't think he could go deep in the playoffs?


So you're more of a Curry fan than a Warrior fan, I take it.
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Post#94 » by WarriorGM » Wed Jun 9, 2021 6:01 pm

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WarriorGM wrote:That there was even a whiff of doubt from management in Curry's ability to carry this team is a failure on their part.

Must be contagious though since Curry did fail to play in a playoffs series.

Seeing all the reactions here though the feeling I get is that most of you have low expectations of Curry.

He needs a change of scenery.

We need to see the Splash Brothers back again and we will next year. But if for whatever reason the reunion on court does not live up to past glory days, I want Steph to go to another team—and it is becoming clear what team that should be. Unlike the Warriors who don't seem interested in catering to their star as they should, there is a GM who has assembled a team that features his brother, his brother's father-in-law, and a fellow Under Armour sponsored superstar and has shown that he is willing to get fined to draw Steph's interest. Should Steph go with that or an organization that didn't think he could go deep in the playoffs?


So you're more of a Curry fan than a Warrior fan, I take it.


Yes. His generational excellence is what draws me. If there is going to be a choice between Curry and Wiseman, Curry all the way. But I guess there are those who believe the organization's future as represented by Wiseman has more value. Dream on!
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Post#95 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:25 pm

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WarriorGM wrote:That there was even a whiff of doubt from management in Curry's ability to carry this team is a failure on their part.

Must be contagious though since Curry did fail to play in a playoffs series.

Seeing all the reactions here though the feeling I get is that most of you have low expectations of Curry.

He needs a change of scenery.

We need to see the Splash Brothers back again and we will next year. But if for whatever reason the reunion on court does not live up to past glory days, I want Steph to go to another team—and it is becoming clear what team that should be. Unlike the Warriors who don't seem interested in catering to their star as they should, there is a GM who has assembled a team that features his brother, his brother's father-in-law, and a fellow Under Armour sponsored superstar and has shown that he is willing to get fined to draw Steph's interest. Should Steph go with that or an organization that didn't think he could go deep in the playoffs?


So you're more of a Curry fan than a Warrior fan, I take it.


Yes. His generational excellence is what draws me. If there is going to be a choice between Curry and Wiseman, Curry all the way. But I guess there are those who believe the organization's future as represented by Wiseman has more value. Dream on!


Did I say anything about Wiseman? I just noted that you're more of a Curry fan than a Warrior fan. Nothing wrong with that. Curry is a special player, but personally, I'm a Warrior fan first, and have been since Rick Barry was a special player, and even before. There have been special players before Curry and there will be after, but the Warriors will still be here. I'm more interested in what's best for them--hopefully it will coincide with what's best for Curry.
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Re: The Front Office (specifically) failed Curry by prioritizing development 

Post#96 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:44 pm

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xdrta+ wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:That there was even a whiff of doubt from management in Curry's ability to carry this team is a failure on their part.

Must be contagious though since Curry did fail to play in a playoffs series.

Seeing all the reactions here though the feeling I get is that most of you have low expectations of Curry.

He needs a change of scenery.

We need to see the Splash Brothers back again and we will next year. But if for whatever reason the reunion on court does not live up to past glory days, I want Steph to go to another team—and it is becoming clear what team that should be. Unlike the Warriors who don't seem interested in catering to their star as they should, there is a GM who has assembled a team that features his brother, his brother's father-in-law, and a fellow Under Armour sponsored superstar and has shown that he is willing to get fined to draw Steph's interest. Should Steph go with that or an organization that didn't think he could go deep in the playoffs?


So you're more of a Curry fan than a Warrior fan, I take it.


Yes. His generational excellence is what draws me. If there is going to be a choice between Curry and Wiseman, Curry all the way. But I guess there are those who believe the organization's future as represented by Wiseman has more value. Dream on!


I think the team was pretty up front that they were willing to put up with the struggles at the beginning of the year for the payoff of finishing the year strong to make the playoffs. They were fitting in 3 new starters into the system and the growing pains proved to be too much for Oubre and Wiseman with Wiggins eventually finding his groove as the season went on. I actually think Wiseman was starting for figure it out before his second injury and I hope he is able to put in some work this offseason while he is rehabbing to make a more positive impact next season.

I am a Warriors fan first and foremost and not really that into individual awards so I was fine with the game plan.
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Post#97 » by WarriorGM » Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:08 am

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So you're more of a Curry fan than a Warrior fan, I take it.


Yes. His generational excellence is what draws me. If there is going to be a choice between Curry and Wiseman, Curry all the way. But I guess there are those who believe the organization's future as represented by Wiseman has more value. Dream on!


I think the team was pretty up front that they were willing to put up with the struggles at the beginning of the year for the payoff of finishing the year strong to make the playoffs. They were fitting in 3 new starters into the system and the growing pains proved to be too much for Oubre and Wiseman with Wiggins eventually finding his groove as the season went on. I actually think Wiseman was starting for figure it out before his second injury and I hope he is able to put in some work this offseason while he is rehabbing to make a more positive impact next season.

I am a Warriors fan first and foremost and not really that into individual awards so I was fine with the game plan.


Not really necessary to mention where first allegiances lie, but that it has come up is further indication that it is time for Curry to move on.
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Post#98 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:31 am

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Yes. His generational excellence is what draws me. If there is going to be a choice between Curry and Wiseman, Curry all the way. But I guess there are those who believe the organization's future as represented by Wiseman has more value. Dream on!


I think the team was pretty up front that they were willing to put up with the struggles at the beginning of the year for the payoff of finishing the year strong to make the playoffs. They were fitting in 3 new starters into the system and the growing pains proved to be too much for Oubre and Wiseman with Wiggins eventually finding his groove as the season went on. I actually think Wiseman was starting for figure it out before his second injury and I hope he is able to put in some work this offseason while he is rehabbing to make a more positive impact next season.

I am a Warriors fan first and foremost and not really that into individual awards so I was fine with the game plan.


Not really necessary to mention where first allegiances lie, but that it has come up is further indication that it is time for Curry to move on.


Curry should leave the Warriors because Warriors fans are fans of the Warriors. Riiight.
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Post#99 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:32 am

I think the FO is just overestimated Wiseman.

Curry, Dray, Kerr, etc..were probably on board with Wiseman thinking hed be decent enough to make a push for the playoffs. They could not have known hed be this big of a detriment to winning. Oubres inability to adjust wasnt as bad because Wiggs improvement more than made up for Oubres shortcomings.
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Post#100 » by WarriorGM » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:14 am

Scoots1994 wrote:
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I think the team was pretty up front that they were willing to put up with the struggles at the beginning of the year for the payoff of finishing the year strong to make the playoffs. They were fitting in 3 new starters into the system and the growing pains proved to be too much for Oubre and Wiseman with Wiggins eventually finding his groove as the season went on. I actually think Wiseman was starting for figure it out before his second injury and I hope he is able to put in some work this offseason while he is rehabbing to make a more positive impact next season.

I am a Warriors fan first and foremost and not really that into individual awards so I was fine with the game plan.


Not really necessary to mention where first allegiances lie, but that it has come up is further indication that it is time for Curry to move on.


Curry should leave the Warriors because Warriors fans are fans of the Warriors. Riiight.


I have asked a number of the Warriors fans here point blank if they believe Stephen Curry is the greatest player in the league. I have been shocked at how evasive they have been with an affirmative answer just as I have been shocked at how Kerr continuously avoids to unambiguously say it. Instead I have heard Kerr praising LeBron or KD in such a way that one could infer means he considers them better players. I have now seen fans here saying this was a lost season the moment Klay got injured. I have now seen a season where developing Wiseman was given priority over taking advantage of a late prime Curry season. I am losing confidence swiftly in both the team's and the Warriors fanbase's (as represented by those here) support of Curry.

The logical move then would be for Curry to move on. He should be on a team that believes he can win and is unstinting in its support of that objective. If the Warriors team and its fans don't fit that description then why should he stay?

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