Jazz Clippers shows that DPOY was wrong

[a8bil]

Watching this series, and in particular this game, Gobert is a liability defensively and offensively. Can't believe people took him over Green. Slow on rotations...being exploited on nearly every possession. Snyder needs to take him out of the game.

[cpower]

he is unplayable against elite small ball. Even the best centers in this league will have trouble against this clips team. This is also why Green has the best contract in the league, yes his offense sometimes blows but he is the best small ball C in the history of the game.

Also we should realize min vet for traditional C is all we need, we should spend $ to get good wings to complete our small ball.

[GQ Hot Dog]

he is unplayable against elite small ball. Even the best centers in this league will have trouble against this clips team. This is also why Green has the best contract in the league, yes his offense sometimes blows but he is the best small ball C in the history of the game.

Also we should realize min vet for traditional C is all we need, we should spend $ to get good wings to complete our small ball.

This is your best take ever.

Except Gobert's biggest shortcoming is his total inability to put any pressure on the opponent's defense. If you're a big shot blocking center you better be able to pass well out of the post or score at will or you'll be mercilessly exploited on defense.

[WarriorGM]

Dubs fans should know this by now. But for some reason we have "fans" who are enamored with Wiseman and are casual with the idea of trading Looney away. Do they know anything about their team and how it has won these past years?

That said one needs to keep an open mind about trading for Gobert if he becomes available. Would something like a Wiggins, Wiseman, Paschall, first round pick be doable and worthwhile?

[sonnyhill]

When playing defense and getting caught switching onto a smaller-and-quicker perimeter player with ball handling skills, Gobert is useless. Green can effectively guard all five opposing team's players for short periods of time. Even Looney with his ability to slide his feet side-to-side and keep the smaller-and-quicker player in front of him is a better perimeter defender than Gobert.

Green followed by Simmons and Simmons followed by Gobert (1-2-3) should have been the order of voting for this past season's DPOY.

[Scoots1994]

Gobert's DPOY is based on the regular season and he is easily the player who has the greatest impact on opposing offenses overall in the regular season. But in the regular season offenses don't really adjust game to game. The game changes wildly in the playoffs.

That said I think the result of this series is more about the Clippers getting hot more than Gobert not being playable.

[Onus]

It’s hilarious how many people don’t even realize what they’re watching

[Chupchup]

Actually does DPOY matter? It's sorta like MVP with Jokic. They're regular season awards so you can't really compare with the playoffs.

Or if you look at it from a different perspective Draymond is sitting at home on twitter while Gobert was in the playoffs. So how would Draymond get DPOY if it really didn't matter and didn't help the team make the playoffs. For these regular season awards, if you can't even help the team make the playoffs, then the stats are really just empty calories.

[Scoots1994]

Actually does DPOY matter? It's sorta like MVP with Jokic. They're regular season awards so you can't really compare with the playoffs.

Or if you look at it from a different perspective Draymond is sitting at home on twitter while Gobert was in the playoffs. So how would Draymond get DPOY if it really didn't matter and didn't help the team make the playoffs. For these regular season awards, if you can't even help the team make the playoffs, then the stats are really just empty calories.

Regular season awards are also heavily effected by time zones and the NBA narrative.

[Chupchup]

Also the Jazz has no wing defenders. You can't let Reggie Jackson get into the lane so easily. Also the rotations need to be better. If Gobert is collapsing to help defend the paint, then someone needs to help pick up his man. Too many TO's by Conley (6 TO). 1-8 from the field. He really hurt his team today. This really shows how important it is to have 6'6"+ defenders. (ie Iggy, Klay) .. Folks that can switch everything and guard everyone.

[GSWFan1994]

This Gobert situation taught me 2 things:

- The problem is not Gobert itself, but him at 50 mi/year. It really limits your options to round out the rest of the roster and build a contender.

- We need to draft 2 wings/combo forwards/guards/shooters (whatever) with both of our picks this coming draft.

[Chupchup]

This Gobert situation taught me 2 things:

- The problem is not Gobert itself, but him at 50 mi/year. It really limits your options to round out the rest of the roster and build a contender.

- We need to draft 2 wings/combo forwards/guards/shooters (whatever) with both of our picks this coming draft.

According to Spotrac. Gobert is paid 27.5 mil this year with Conley being paid 34.5 mil. So it wasn't a Gobert issue this year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/cap/

But I agree. The upcoming numbers for Gobert aren't that great for interior defender as the league has moved to be more of a 3 point league.

Upcoming Contract Extension
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$46,655,173
($205,000,002)

[GSWFan1994]

($205,000,002)

I know. It was just hyperbole.

I should have written "at nearly 50 mi/year".

That's just too much for the impact he provides.

[oaktownwarriors87]

The Jazz have zero rebounders and help defenders, and they have no quality individual defenders on the perimeter.

The Jazz try and keep Rudy in the paint, but they kept on missing rotations and it was putting Rudy between a shooter and the baskets.

With zero help defense, rim protection and rebounding he was left with no good choices because his teammates couldn't keep up with the Clippers ball movement.

Having one good defender is the same as having one good offensive player. Rudy can't do it alone just like Curry can't do it alone.

[Old_Blue]

Despite what happened last night, I'm not as down on Gobert as most around here. Is he overpaid? - Yes. It is a reality in today's league that centers simply aren't worth what they once were. Is he overplayed? - Yes. Forty plus minutes per night for a seven footer makes no sense in a league that has fully transitioned to perimeter shooting and switching on defense. Much of the fault falls on Quin Snyder. Quite frankly, he should be fired. He had an entire season to prepare for a post-season which would, predictably, call for reduced minutes for Gobert. Did he have a Plan B? - Clearly not. Returning to Gobert though, I think it goes without question that he would be a tremendous asset on a team that utilized him the way the Warriors used Bogut. Starting games, playing twenty to twenty five minutes per night. Pounding teams inside and then being subbed out for some version of a Death Lineup to close out the second and fourth quarters. Is that worth $155 million over the next four years? - As a professor I once had was fond of saying whenever he was stumped "It depends."

[sonnyhill]

Despite what happened last night, I'm not as down on Gobert as most around here. Is he overpaid? - Yes. It is a reality in today's league that centers simply aren't worth what they once were. Is he overplayed? - Yes. Forty plus minutes per night for a seven footer makes no sense in a league that has fully transitioned to perimeter shooting and switching on defense. Much of the fault falls on Quin Snyder. Quite frankly, he should be fired. He had an entire season to prepare for a post-season which would, predictably, call for reduced minutes for Gobert. Did he have a Plan B? - Clearly not. Returning to Gobert though, I think it goes without question that he would be a tremendous asset on a team that utilized him the way the Warriors used Bogut. Starting games, playing twenty to twenty five minutes per night. Pounding teams inside and then being subbed out for some version of a Death Lineup to close how the second and fourth quarters. Is that worth $155 million over the next four years? - As a professor I once had was fond of saying whenever he was stumped "It depends."

Great analysis.

Similar to how Kerr got outcoached by not being able to adapt to Nick Nurse using a box-and-one defense to stifle Curry, Snyder was unable to adapt to Ty Lue going small, playing quicker and on the perimeter.

Gobert being paid $155 over the next four years to play only 20-25 minutes per night would be much worse than paying Wiggins $30 million per year.

[Scoots1994]

The Jazz have zero rebounders and help defenders, and they have no quality individual defenders on the perimeter.

The Jazz try and keep Rudy in the paint, but they kept on missing rotations and it was putting Rudy between a shooter and the baskets.

With zero help defense, rim protection and rebounding he was left with no good choices because his teammates couldn't keep up with the Clippers ball movement.

Having one good defender is the same as having one good offensive player. Rudy can't do it alone just like Curry can't do it alone.

That's what I was talking about. Gobert CAN be effective but he can't do it trying to cover 3pt shooters with any regularity, and that is more about the team around him than with him.

[marthafokker]

I can only hope Wiseman is as BAD as Gobert next season.

[Scoots1994]

I can only hope Wiseman is as BAD as Gobert next season.

The dream for Wiseman was to come close to Gobert on defense and much MUCH better on offense.

[lars_rosenberg]

Gobert deserved the award. It's a regular season award and he led the Jazz to the first seed with his defense.
In the playoffs I take Dray 10 out of 10 times, but DPOY is only about regular season.