Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[weekend_warrior]

Please please PLEASE explain to me why that happened...other than Ben Simmons? Offensive and defensive rating shot up with him on the team.

They went from a garbage team with a rookie Embiid that played only 31 games (only #11 in total minutes played on the roster), heavily featuring Stauskas, McConnell, Saric and Gerald freakin Henderson to a much better team. A part of this is Simmons, yes. A significant part is more Embiid, adding Reddick and generally more experience.

That being said, I don't doubt Simmons as a solid RS performer. In the POs he becomes useless though. And he doesn't fit to our roster at all.

[michaelwarner]

The Lakers acquiring Russ... lol holy ****

Find your casual fan friends right now and make a bet on the Lakers not winning the Finals.. I bet they do it.

So love this trade for the Warriors....

It also means Beal is quite possibly on the move, which isnt great for us

Woj just reported (I won''t subject the board to my glitches) that the deal was made with Beal in mind. Clears $25 million off their books for next season. Marcus Thompson just tweeted that he heard Beal is staying in DC.

[michaelwarner]

"Assuming this goes through, a game-changing deal for the Wizards. As in, EVERYTHING. Future flexibility. Multiple solid vets. Unlocks Avdija’s potential as a secondary ballhandler/playmaker. And, builds the case to Beal to stay-for a potential max deal that’s now more tenable."-David Aldridge.

[FNQ]

"Assuming this goes through, a game-changing deal for the Wizards. As in, EVERYTHING. Future flexibility. Multiple solid vets. Unlocks Avdija’s potential as a secondary ballhandler/playmaker. And, builds the case to Beal to stay-for a potential max deal that’s now more tenable."-David Aldridge.

Yup, everyone piling on saying Beal is staying in DC. That's one bullet dodged

Although with the likelihood of Moody at 7 tumbling, Beal was my 3rd favorite option in terms of what to do with the 7.. Moody 1st, Wagner 2nd, Beal 3rd. Only because the 4th option was Kuminga and the 5th option was Monta

[FNQ]

BTW, Washington just got better right? Kuzma, KCP, Harrell? Plus a 1st? What a come up.. Lakers went for star power, LeBron GMing like it was 5 years ago

[Commodor]

Year prior to Ben Simmons first year with Philly....WITH EMBIID...26-56
The next year WITH Ben Simmons...53-29.

Please please PLEASE explain to me why that happened...other than Ben Simmons?

Lol are you referring to the season when Embiid played 31/82 total games and 25mpg (5 less than his career average).

[Scoots1994]

BTW, Washington just got better right? Kuzma, KCP, Harrell? Plus a 1st? What a come up.. Lakers went for star power, LeBron GMing like it was 5 years ago

Looking forward to LeGM re-signing Schroeder for stupid money and not being able to trade him and ending up with Russ, Schroeder, LeBron, AD, Gasol and nothing else. Then we get to watch the ball hogging and the nagging injuries lead to excuses.

[Mob Byers]

Would Derrick Favors be an upgrade over Looney? Haven't payed close attention to him over the last few years. Utah fans seemed to have really liked him, high character guy. Looney has value as he knows the system and switches pretty well on D.

But would it be worth it to send him out with some min guys and likely some sort of future pick for Favors?

Then go after Chriss or Theis in FA, bigs who can shoot stretch the floor a bit? Or would most want to stay put with Looney?

[weekend_warrior]

I think Favors is basically the old mans version of Looney, but quite a bit more expensive. Makes no sense for me to consider this.

[ILOVEIT]

Year prior to Ben Simmons first year with Philly....WITH EMBIID...26-56
The next year WITH Ben Simmons...53-29.

Please please PLEASE explain to me why that happened...other than Ben Simmons?

Lol are you referring to the season when Embiid played 31/82 total games and 25mpg (5 less than his career average).

Thank you for the correction. I see that Embiid was injured in prior year as well so it was both of them that came together to make the difference.

[ILOVEIT]

Would Derrick Favors be an upgrade over Looney? Haven't payed close attention to him over the last few years. Utah fans seemed to have really liked him, high character guy. Looney has value as he knows the system and switches pretty well on D.

But would it be worth it to send him out with some min guys and likely some sort of future pick for Favors?

Then go after Chriss or Theis in FA, bigs who can shoot stretch the floor a bit? Or would most want to stay put with Looney?

Hmmm....I don't think so...but he is more of a beast. Kind of like Zaza right?

[NeoWarriors]

Favors seems like his knees are shot. He's only 30 years old but plays like he's 50. Kind of like Kevon.

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[Mob Byers]

Would Derrick Favors be an upgrade over Looney? Haven't payed close attention to him over the last few years. Utah fans seemed to have really liked him, high character guy. Looney has value as he knows the system and switches pretty well on D.

But would it be worth it to send him out with some min guys and likely some sort of future pick for Favors?

Then go after Chriss or Theis in FA, bigs who can shoot stretch the floor a bit? Or would most want to stay put with Looney?

Hmmm....I don't think so...but he is more of a beast. Kind of like Zaza right?

Slightly better rebounder, better on offense, better shot blocker. At least that's what Im seeing in a few youtube videos.

I just don't think he has the switch-ability Looney has, although I saw several possessions where he was switched on Ja and held his own.

Otherwise they seem pretty similar. Looney being 5 years younger and a guy that knows are system might make it not worth it.

[HiRez]

Do we have enough to trade for Myles Turner without giving up Kuminga/Moody/Poole?

GS in
C Myles Turner
SF T.J. Warren
PG Aaron Holiday

IND in
C James Wiseman
SF Andrew Wiggins
PF Eric Paschall
Multiple first round picks and/or pick swaps, second round picks

The A. Holiday for Nico swap is mainly to make the salaries work on Trade Machine (but IDK if it's necessary), and I think Holiday is a bit better shooter and a bit more ready to contribute immediately as backup PG.

Curry | A. Holiday | Poole | Mulder
Klay | Poole | Moody | Batum? | Lee | Mulder
Warren | Batum? | Kuminga | Moody | Lee
Draymond | JTA | Warren | Looney | Chriss? | Kuminga
Turner | Looney | Chriss? | JTA | Kuminga | Smailagic

Come on, you can't tell me that team isn't a championship contender immediately AND has pieces to develop for the future. They're neutral to plus to elite at every starting position, with lots of positional versatility to plug holes from injury or optimize matchups. Good mix of offensive firepower and defense. Every starter shoots 78% or better FT% so no one is unplayable in crunch time. I sure as hell wouldn't want any part of that team in the playoffs.

I suspect Indiana would ask for more, but we don't really know. I might even include Poole if necessary (Moody can replace some of what he gives you offensively and will be much better defensively) but they already have LeVert, Lamb, and Duarte at SG so it doesn't make sense for them.

Having said that, I'm OK rolling with what we got right now because I don't really want to give up Wiseman or Wiggins.

[Scoots1994]

Would Derrick Favors be an upgrade over Looney? Haven't payed close attention to him over the last few years. Utah fans seemed to have really liked him, high character guy. Looney has value as he knows the system and switches pretty well on D.

But would it be worth it to send him out with some min guys and likely some sort of future pick for Favors?

Then go after Chriss or Theis in FA, bigs who can shoot stretch the floor a bit? Or would most want to stay put with Looney?

Favors is an upgrade for post defense, rebounding, and post offense and a downgrade on perimeter defense, passing, screening.

But the conversation ends with the fact the Warriors probably can't afford him.

[Mob Byers]

Would Derrick Favors be an upgrade over Looney? Haven't payed close attention to him over the last few years. Utah fans seemed to have really liked him, high character guy. Looney has value as he knows the system and switches pretty well on D.

But would it be worth it to send him out with some min guys and likely some sort of future pick for Favors?

Then go after Chriss or Theis in FA, bigs who can shoot stretch the floor a bit? Or would most want to stay put with Looney?

Favors is an upgrade for post defense, rebounding, and post offense and a downgrade on perimeter defense, passing, screening.

But the conversation ends with the fact the Warriors probably can't afford him.

They can easily afford him with Looney/Smiley/Mulder, I was just wondering if it was even worth it

If you mean "afford" in regards to $$$ that is

[ILOVEIT]

Probably already covered on here but Bob made it clear they would not be sign and trade with Oubre to get a player back....just too costly.

[NeoWarriors]

Do we have enough to trade for Myles Turner without giving up Kuminga/Moody/Poole?

GS in
C Myles Turner
SF T.J. Warren
PG Aaron Holiday

IND in
C James Wiseman
SF Andrew Wiggins
PF Eric Paschall
Multiple first round picks and/or pick swaps, second round picks

The A. Holiday for Nico swap is mainly to make the salaries work on Trade Machine (but IDK if it's necessary), and I think Holiday is a bit better shooter and a bit more ready to contribute immediately as backup PG.

Curry | A. Holiday | Poole | Mulder
Klay | Poole | Moody | Batum? | Lee | Mulder
Warren | Batum? | Kuminga | Moody | Lee
Draymond | JTA | Warren | Looney | Chriss? | Kuminga
Turner | Looney | Chriss? | JTA | Kuminga | Smailagic

Come on, you can't tell me that team isn't a championship contender immediately AND has pieces to develop for the future. They're neutral to plus to elite at every starting position, with lots of positional versatility to plug holes from injury or optimize matchups. Good mix of offensive firepower and defense. Every starter shoots 78% or better FT% so no one is unplayable in crunch time. I sure as hell wouldn't want any part of that team in the playoffs.

I suspect Indiana would ask for more, but we don't really know. I might even include Poole if necessary (Moody can replace some of what he gives you offensively and will be much better defensively) but they already have LeVert, Lamb, and Duarte at SG so it doesn't make sense for them.

Having said that, I'm OK rolling with what we got right now because I don't really want to give up Wiseman or Wiggins.

Aaron Holiday was traded to the Wizards on draft night.

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[ChuckDurn]

BTW, Washington just got better right? Kuzma, KCP, Harrell? Plus a 1st? What a come up.. Lakers went for star power, LeBron GMing like it was 5 years ago

Looking forward to LeGM re-signing Schroeder for stupid money and not being able to trade him and ending up with Russ, Schroeder, LeBron, AD, Gasol and nothing else. Then we get to watch the ball hogging and the nagging injuries lead to excuses.

I’m pretty sure Schroeder would have no real interest in re-signing with the Lakers, knowing he’d be behind Westbrook. I think the most they can hope for is to somehow work a sign-and-trade when Schroeder inevitably goes somewhere else.

So I think the deal for the Lakers effectively became Westbrook for Kuzma, Harrell, KCP, Schroeder, and Isaiah Jackson (drafted with the 22nd pick). Yeesh……. Really bad for the Lakers, IMO, who are going to struggle when their opponents stick 5 defenders in the paint and say “go ahead…… beat me from outside. I dare you.”

(And related, I think the expected deal of Kuzma + Harrell for Hield would have been much better for the Lakers, even if they’d added the #22 pick. I think Sacramento really expected that deal to go through, which would have started the roster balancing I think they planned to do with the intent of drafting Mitchell. Now they still need to find a way to deal Hield for frontcourt players, but once they do, a guard rotation of Fox, Haliburton, and Mitchell won’t be fun for anybody to play against on either end of the court for the next few years.)

[whocurrz]

Rumor is Miami is interested in Oubre. If they use their cap space to get Lowry and decide to go all in they may want our help in a Sign and Trade. Could get a TPE