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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?) 

Post#561 » by xdrta+ » Tue Nov 2, 2021 9:05 pm

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WarriorGM wrote:I remember some here saying Jaylen Brown would be their ideal player to go after in a trade that might work. I don't know about that. There's something about him that turns me off. The current Celtics rough patch is only a part of it. I'm getting a difficult player vibe from him.


Is your vibe based on anything? Other than getting Covid and talking about how it's taken his body a while to rehabilitate, there isn't much in the news about the guy. Personally, I think he'd be a great fit for the Warriors.


The only news is that Marcus Smart is complaining that Jaylen won't pass the ball.

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Post#562 » by Old_Blue » Tue Nov 2, 2021 9:09 pm

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WarriorGM wrote:I remember some here saying Jaylen Brown would be their ideal player to go after in a trade that might work. I don't know about that. There's something about him that turns me off. The current Celtics rough patch is only a part of it. I'm getting a difficult player vibe from him.


Is your vibe based on anything? Other than getting Covid and talking about how it's taken his body a while to rehabilitate, there isn't much in the news about the guy. Personally, I think he'd be a great fit for the Warriors.


The only news is that Marcus Smart is complaining that Jaylen won't pass the ball.

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Yeah, I read that before responding to you. I don't make much of it. Smart is lobbing that accusation at both Brown and Tatum, by the way.
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?) 

Post#563 » by WarriorGM » Tue Nov 2, 2021 9:55 pm

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WarriorGM wrote:I remember some here saying Jaylen Brown would be their ideal player to go after in a trade that might work. I don't know about that. There's something about him that turns me off. The current Celtics rough patch is only a part of it. I'm getting a difficult player vibe from him.


Is your vibe based on anything? Other than getting Covid and talking about how it's taken his body a while to rehabilitate, there isn't much in the news about the guy. Personally, I think he'd be a great fit for the Warriors.


A bunch of little things. His statement that his team needed a black coach. Hayward making the comment that Stevens needed to exert a stronger voice in the locker room. A joking statement Brown made about Tatum seeking his autograph when they were younger which was probably an inside joke but still seemed rather pompous. The turnover of good players on their team. I notice Hayward and Rozier are now on the Hornets and they are currently doing better. Blake Griffin supposedly being warned of toxicity in the Celtics locker room.
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Post#564 » by xdrta+ » Tue Nov 2, 2021 9:55 pm

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Is your vibe based on anything? Other than getting Covid and talking about how it's taken his body a while to rehabilitate, there isn't much in the news about the guy. Personally, I think he'd be a great fit for the Warriors.


The only news is that Marcus Smart is complaining that Jaylen won't pass the ball.

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Yeah, I read that before responding to you. I don't make much of it. Smart is lobbing that accusation at both Brown and Tatum, by the way.


Of course he is, but you hadn't seen news of Brown. Now you have.
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Post#565 » by Old_Blue » Tue Nov 2, 2021 10:12 pm

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The only news is that Marcus Smart is complaining that Jaylen won't pass the ball.

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Yeah, I read that before responding to you. I don't make much of it. Smart is lobbing that accusation at both Brown and Tatum, by the way.


Of course he is, but you hadn't seen news of Brown. Now you have.


As I said, I had seen Smart's comments. But, like I said, I don't make much of it. As superstar players go in the NBA, Jaylen Brown is a model citizen. Again, I'd love to have him on the team.
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Post#566 » by wco81 » Tue Nov 2, 2021 10:46 pm

Does Brown still work as hard on the other end?

He made his mark initially as a defender before he added shot creation to his bag.
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Post#567 » by FNQ » Wed Nov 3, 2021 7:24 am

I love that its taken the GB what.. 4 years.. to realize that Tatum doesnt pass and that just made him a new Melo

Brown's better about it but Smart's not that wrong.. JB has become more of an iso player as he's gotten older. What a waste if he doesnt turn it around and be the all-around guy he could be
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Post#568 » by Coxy » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:06 am

I drafted Tatum in fantasy, and it's the 1st time I've had him, plus I have Brown as well, so I'm watching a tonne of Boston games at the moment. What strikes me about Tatum, is how slow he is, and how much of a ball stopper he is. It really is Melo 2.0 out there with him. Brown seems to be more of an in the flow sort of guy, and he takes the shot when it's there, but he looks like way more of a willing team guy. Tatum, hell no, I seriously think that he thinks he's Kobe.

Also, Al Horford is darn good still. Wish we had him.
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Post#569 » by FNQ » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:55 pm

Coxy wrote:Also, Al Horford is darn good still. Wish we had him.


Yesss

He was one of the guys I was OK dealing Wiggins for, in the offseason (provided we could get a starting SF in the deal or by other means). He always gets underrated because of that crazy contract PHI gave him, but man is he still good. Sucks that he's been trade fodder for crappy teams the past couple years
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Post#570 » by Onus » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:32 pm

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Coxy wrote:Also, Al Horford is darn good still. Wish we had him.


Yesss

He was one of the guys I was OK dealing Wiggins for, in the offseason (provided we could get a starting SF in the deal or by other means). He always gets underrated because of that crazy contract PHI gave him, but man is he still good. Sucks that he's been trade fodder for crappy teams the past couple years

But Horford still wants to play pf when he should be playing center
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Post#571 » by and1GS » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:33 pm

Prime Melo was an incredible player. But you need to build a proper team around Tatum. They keep surrounding him and Brown with either defense first guys or scorers - no facilitators. Schroeder and Kemba are both solid players, but they aren't top tier creators for their teammates. They're undersized 2's playing the 1.

Tatum and Brown need to be better to take the final leap, but the team construction has been poor for a while now in Boston.

To both of your points - this has been Tatum forever even back to Duke. He gets the high usage assists - I have the ball so I'm going to fall into some assists each game. That said he's a wonderful scorer, so I hope he figures it out (though selfishly am rooting more for Jaylen given the Cal connection).
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Post#572 » by wco81 » Wed Nov 3, 2021 8:22 pm

Next season, Brown will be an expiring with $30.7 million due in 2023-24.

He will no doubt be looking for a super Max and then Tatum comes up in 2025-26 with a $37 million player option.

He's also going to be looking to get a super Max because he's going to put up big numbers.

If they don't make noise this year, probably at least beat one of the top 3 seeds in the East in the playoffs or maybe at least go back to the ECF and have a competitive series vs. the Nets or the Bucks or whoever, are the Celtics going to double down on the Jays?

Probably would be tempted to move Brown with a one-year remaining expiring by the trade deadline in 2022-23 season unless they show signs of being a top 3 seed in the East at least.
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Post#573 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Nov 3, 2021 8:29 pm

I think Tatum's on a trajectory to being one of the best players of the last 2 decades, relative to his age.

I don't like Brown as much, but I still like him too.

Some growing pains are expected, as the roster around them is not so good.

I don't think both will finish their careers in Boston.
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Post#574 » by Coxy » Wed Nov 3, 2021 8:58 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Tatum's on a trajectory to being one of the best players of the last 2 decades, relative to his age.


Really? I'm just not seeing it. He's a good iso scorer, I'm just not seeing the elite player there.

I was thinking about the Melo comparison, but Melo had elite quickness and a quick shot. Tatum has neither. He's a better Maggette from what I watch. That's right I said it, Tatum is Maggette 2.0.
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Post#575 » by FNQ » Wed Nov 3, 2021 9:18 pm

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GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Tatum's on a trajectory to being one of the best players of the last 2 decades, relative to his age.


Really? I'm just not seeing it. He's a good iso scorer, I'm just not seeing the elite player there.

I was thinking about the Melo comparison, but Melo had elite quickness and a quick shot. Tatum has neither. He's a better Maggette from what I watch. That's right I said it, Tatum is Maggette 2.0.


I dont know that I'd go that far, but Id say he's closer to Maggette than one of the best players of the last 2 decades. He'll get his PPG and counting stats, and that will be enough for people. But like Melo, like Maggette.. the impact wont be there until he's made a 2nd or maybe even 3rd banana. Until then, I think we've already seen the peak of a Tatum led-team
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Post#576 » by TB » Wed Nov 3, 2021 9:37 pm

I'm just going to throw out the fact that contracts match for:

Brown, Horford
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Post#577 » by Old_Blue » Wed Nov 3, 2021 10:55 pm

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GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Tatum's on a trajectory to being one of the best players of the last 2 decades, relative to his age.


Really? I'm just not seeing it. He's a good iso scorer, I'm just not seeing the elite player there.

I was thinking about the Melo comparison, but Melo had elite quickness and a quick shot. Tatum has neither. He's a better Maggette from what I watch. That's right I said it, Tatum is Maggette 2.0.


Take this with a grain of salt. It's coming from the same guy who wanted the Dubs to draft Deni Avdija at #2 in 2020 and Jalen Johnson at #7 in 2021. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?) 

Post#578 » by Coxy » Thu Nov 4, 2021 2:29 am

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GSWFan1994 wrote:I think Tatum's on a trajectory to being one of the best players of the last 2 decades, relative to his age.


Really? I'm just not seeing it. He's a good iso scorer, I'm just not seeing the elite player there.

I was thinking about the Melo comparison, but Melo had elite quickness and a quick shot. Tatum has neither. He's a better Maggette from what I watch. That's right I said it, Tatum is Maggette 2.0.


Take this with a grain of salt. It's coming from the same guy who wanted the Dubs to draft Deni Avdija at #2 in 2020 and Jalen Johnson at #7 in 2021. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but are you stating this is what I wanted from those drafts, or GSWFan1994? I never wanted Avdija or Jalen Johnson.
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Post#579 » by FNQ » Thu Nov 4, 2021 4:57 am

I keep all draft predictions other posters have ever made in my wallet in case one of you **** ever gets out of line and I need a quick reference

Anyways, Celtics seem to be collapsing pretty quickly. Maybe something with Jaylen Brown has some legs after all? :D
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Post#580 » by Coxy » Thu Nov 4, 2021 5:41 am

FNQ wrote:I keep all draft predictions other posters have ever made in my wallet in case one of you **** ever gets out of line and I need a quick reference

Anyways, Celtics seem to be collapsing pretty quickly. Maybe something with Jaylen Brown has some legs after all? :D


Wiggins/Wiseman/Looney/2022 1st for Brown/Horford. Give Chriss a minimum.

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