2021 Draft Thread (Postdraft)

[clyde21]

Bradley Beal is a one read cutter too lmao

[Scoots1994]

Myers better not dick this up…he’s already on my **** list after seeing him at the sports book placing bets the night before the 3 point contest a few months ago. taking Wiseman over Lamelo is one of the dumbest decisions in the last 15 years of the draft, so I can see him taking Mitchell and Duarte

Wiseman over LaMelo doesn't make the top 20 dumbest decisions in the last 15 years of the draft. I can start with Curry not only being the 7th pick but the 3rd PG taken and leave it at that.

[Old_Blue]

Wiseman over LaMelo doesn't make the top 20 dumbest decisions in the last 15 years of the draft. I can start with Curry not only being the 7th pick but the 3rd PG taken and leave it at that.

You left out the best part...one team...Minny...passing on Steph...twice.

[The-Power]

If we can reacquire our 2024 first round pick from Memphis in a swap of the #7 and #10 picks, then a package of Wiggins, Wiseman, the #10 pick this year and our 2022 and 2024 first round picks really should be enough to land Siakam.

Why the heck is this ‘let's insanely overpay for a slightly better Wiggins with inferior fit’ attitude still a thing? Siakam is barely a positive asset at this point considering how he played the last two years, that he is injured at the moment, and that he earns a lot of money for quite some time. Absolutely horrifying trade for us.

[Bizzy_Bee]

I'm saying comparing the two based on their NBL tape is pointless.

Yeah. Why compare two 6'8, 18 year old PGs with similar skill sets coming from the same league.

Scouts have said Lamelo would stop and wipe scuff marks off his shoes in the middle of possessions, he gave no effort of defense, and he was a baddie chuck overall. His NBL tape was a completely different player than we see with Charlotte. So yes, it doesn't hold any water to compare that with a guy that takes the NBL seriously and plays hard on every possession.

Looking forward to your full NBA prospect Effort Rankings for this year's class

[KevinMcreynolds]

what is wrong with you?

[CS707]

The fallacy of moneyball metrics is that stats only tell a small part of the story. Stats do not tell you if a player was consistently guarded by other teams best player, or if bouknight guarded the other teams best player or what his or the other teams players did. Moneyball does not work hence the a's had zero titles in 30 years and the giants have 3.

Moneyball isn’t, and never was, about only using metrics to determine value. This “get off my lawn” old man nonsense to discredit metrics is archaic, and ignores that every single NBA team has an analytics department, supplemented by 3rd party vendors, because of how valuable they are. When you decide to progress past the 1980s in terms of analysis, you’ll find out how valuable they are.. instead of discrediting them because they don’t tell you what you want to hear

Don't tell him that the Giants employed an entire analytics department dating back years prior that that run lol.

[Bizzy_Bee]

On top of that he had 3 triple doubles at 18 years old in the NBL, plays for one of the best teams in the Olympics at 18

He was cut actually. To make room for Delly and Exum

If you have a take on why Giddey's a "crazy reach" at 7 I'm open to it. I'd actually like to hear the arguments against it. I'm looking for flaws in my logic.

Pointing out technicalities gets us nowhere. I responded to you because I figured I'd at least get a reasonable rebuttal.

[Nvnervous45]

I'm sure the giants scouting department didn't cherry pick one or two analytics to make a determination on a player and actually sent scouts to the games lol.

[FNQ]

I'm sure the giants scouting department didn't cherry pick one or two analytics to make a determination on a player and actually sent scouts to the games lol.

And the A’s did too. Do you even know what Moneyball is??

It’s doing almost the exact same as other scouting departments and analyzing which human biases are clouding the vision of scouts, so as to provide value where most don’t see it. It started with OBP over BA, it pivoted to the value of HR hitters and sluggers (birth of OPS), and is now residing in defensive metrics like range factor analysis

But again, ironically, Moneyball is taking advantage of lazy human analysis based on inert prejudice and I couldn’t think of a better example than this conversation right here

[ILOVEIT]

Does anyone actually watch game footage or just highlights?

I just watched full game footage of Mobley....He's a stiff. Awful. I would take Wiseman over him EVERY time.

Amazing how much hype the guys gets and then you watch him try and post up a smaller guy and he ends up with an odd fade. Then he makes one move where he dibbles and tosses it in off balance and the commentators act like he just did a 360 dunk

[KevinMcreynolds]

pissing contest aside, the analytics guys love Wagner's defensive metrics and Sengun's offensive metrics. We'll see how they pan out.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Does anyone actually watch game footage or just highlights?

I just watched full game footage of Mobley....He's a stiff. Awful. I would take Wiseman over him EVERY time.

Amazing how much hype the guys gets and then you watch him try and post up a smaller guy and he ends up with an odd fade. Then he makes one move where he dibbles and tosses it in off balance and the commentators act like he just did a 360 dunk

He looks like a great player to me, it's going to come down to do big men matter anymore? Look at the finals. Ayton, who's one of the better big men in the league, was getting abused on switches and Brook Lopez was getting pulled every 4th quarter for the same reason.

[clyde21]

pissing contest aside, the analytics guys love Wagner's defensive metrics and Sengun's offensive metrics. We'll see how they pan out.

and they hate Bouknight's, for obvious reasons of course.

[clyde21]

not sure who this Goldberg character is or hows hes connected to Warriors but fwiw

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[clyde21]

lol @ the entire NBA if moody drops to 14...just like it was major LOL @ entire NBA Haliburton, Maxey, Vassell and Hampton dropped last year.

[Mob Byers]

not sure who this Goldberg character is or hows hes connected to Warriors but fwiw

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Did he accidently mix up Giddy and Moody?

Much like I wouldn't take Giddy @ 7, I wouldn't take Murphy @ 14

If we want Murphy I think we trade down with the Knicks who have interest in Davion and Duarte although the Pelicans might snag Murphy @ 17 now. In that case we might be forced to grab Murphy @ 14 unless we can work out a deal with OKC for 16/18 and maybe we throw in our 2022 1st top 20 protected.

It's going to be an interesting night. So much could happen, but I as mentioned in that other thread I'm honestly ready to be underwhelmed

[clyde21]

the more im looking into it the more I doubt we're taking Moody @ 7...I think the plan for Myers is to let Moody drop and wait till 14 to see if he's there, if not then Murphy/Duarte @ 14

@ 7 looks like it's between Kuminga vs. Bouk, if Kuminga drops he's the pick, if not it's most likely Bouk with Wagner/Giddey outside chance.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I haven't seen Moody getting taken before 10 to Memphis in any recent mocks, and if he doesn't get taken by them then he usually drops to Wash at 15. If he dropped to us at 14 it would be a coup.

[HiRez]

Kind of crazy that we really have no idea who the Warriors picks will be, there are probably 4-5 possibilities at 7 and many more than that at 14.

Optimistic, but Bouknight + Duarte would probably put me in a pretty salty mood.

Also, wow 2nd round picks are getting expensive, Philly supposedly paid $2M for the #53 pick.