Sleepy51 wrote:Onus wrote:Sleepy51 wrote:
The front office has said they can succeed at a two track strategy. I think that defining success or failure in those two tracks is important. It doesn’t require you making a prediction, just setting a standard for what does or doesn’t qualify as “crushing it”
I think floppy’s position of “ way better than Cohan” is a softball. They moved the team out of Oakland ostensibly to have the Amex black card necessary to compete at all costs. I think we’re across the rubicon from “A great time out” being a result worthy of the increased price of attendance.
It’s actually why I have been in favor of their two track strategy. I don’t think that they can or should accept getting another Curry chip and burning the place to the ground to do it. I don’t think this is a Kobiyashi Maru situation. I do believe they can and should max out Curry’s peak. And for me they also need to continue to win meaningfully after Curry declines. I feel that they owe us that. But I also feel like I have a reasonable barometer for what I consider delivering on promises made as I laid out above.
To this point, you’re not maximizing currys timeline if we aren’t a top 4ish team which is why top 4 should be the goal.
I think they can be top 4 next year. I do not believe that to be an achievable goal this year. Maximizing Curry doesn't necessarily mean selling out for this year. Klay is not going to be 100% until too late in the schedule to make this a top 4 roster (if at all.) I don't think the assets are there this year to get to top 4 with or without a trade.
NEXT year, with Wiggins as an expiring and the Rookies having a year of development our young assets should increase in value, on court or in trade. that increase in asset value combined with Wiggings salary number makes us a VERY compelling trade partner at this deadline or in the offseason. That's where I think the rubber hits the road. Maximizing Curry "this year" at the expense of asset appreciation and the best possible chance to not just contend, but to build another champion probably takes another offseason. Next year there should be no excuse for failing to achieve in the top 4.
A lot of the "Maximize Curry" argument has been rooted in the fallacy that a contender can be built immediately if they would just dump all the assets into a trade for player _____. Beal? Doesn't want out and wouldn't be able to play half the games. Simmons? Draymond lite with a glass jaw. Lilliar (intriguing, but still hasn't asked out and highly duplicative of Curry.)
The increase in value of Kuminga and Wiseman after a year of quality development (on court or in trade) puts us in a stronger position next year. The "cost" of rushing isn't just about the either/or of Win Curry a chip or waste his remaining prime to build a contender way down the road. It could be a matter of rushing into an inferior deal this year, vs winning a compelling deal/roster next year.
I'm curious what are your expectations for this year if top 4 is for next year?
I don't think there's a star available currently that is worth trading for. But I do think that if you aren't a top 4 team with a prime curry that you're wasting a prime year. If Morey would come down for his ask for Ben I'd think about doing Wiggins and either Kuminga or Wiseman. The whole he's duplicative with Draymond, we start Looney for goodness sake and Ben is a better defender and offensive player than Looney. Ben is an elite defender that you could put on Luka, Lebron, KD and feel great about those matchups and is a better defender than Wiggins is, which leaves Draymond to guard the center and clean up. Offensively it may be tougher but if Klay can be back then Klay, Poole, Curry should give us plenty of shooting to open up the lane. Not optimal but would be workable. But at Morey's asking price that's a hard no.
I will add it’s probably unrealistic to trade wiseman to Philly also with how much we’re putting into training wiseman.
