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I have no idea what the agreement is with the league and players in regards to this type of issue. In fact, I honestly can't recall a player leaving in the middle of the season and then missing the rest of the season for personal reasons. I assume the Warriors aren't obligated to continue to pay Wiggins his salary.

Perhaps they have paid up to a point but after missing so many games perhaps they aren't anymore?

Does anyone know?

they could probably stop paying him but that would be a terrible look for the franchise, especially if it's a serious family issue

Wiggins is most certainly still getting paid. On a related note, Draymond's 16th technical foul saved the team some money...

clyde21 wrote:they could probably stop paying him but that would be a terrible look for the franchise, especially if it's a serious family issue

OK, I'll assume you're right and they're continuing to pay him.

What if the season starts next year and he still isn't back? Do they continue to pay him next year, too?

Romulus wrote:

clyde21 wrote:they could probably stop paying him but that would be a terrible look for the franchise, especially if it's a serious family issue

OK, I'll assume you're right and they're continuing to pay him.

What if the season starts next year and he still isn't back? Do they continue to pay him next year, too?

It depends on what is agreed upon.

If the team feel as though it is a warranted absense, like supporting him through a seriously emotional episode, as every employer should, then of course they keep paying him.

If it's a situation where they say "Look, we know it's been tough and we've supported you through this, however we need to see you back at work soon or we can't keep paying you until you return", then that can be organised. He can take "Unpaid leave", I'm sure that's a thing.

nothing has been done with his roster spot so he's getting paid. In the NFL they can put you on the PUP list and you get paid I think % of your contract and it doesn't reflect on the cap. I don't know if the NBA has that, but regardless they never did that with him.

Why would you not pay him, that's **** up

Jester_ wrote:Why would you not pay him, that's **** up

It's not my money or my business so I don't care but depending on the situation, I'm sure there are limits with ownership.

It's not an insignificant amount money we're talking about here.

Jester_ wrote:Why would you not pay him, that's **** up

for a normal person taking absence like this will not get paid for sure. of course wiggins is not a normal person ..

Maybe he has accrued enough PTO

At this point I think it's more important to protect the culture of the org than it is to rush Andrew back. Steph won't be here forever and pretty soon how we've treated our players will be the only allure we have for free agents.

cpower wrote:

Jester_ wrote:Why would you not pay him, that's **** up

for a normal person taking absence like this will not get paid for sure. of course wiggins is not a normal person ..

Then I guess I'm not a normal person. Any job I've had I could have used FMLA or similar programs to take time off for personal reasons. After a point, FMLA would run out, and then it would be a discussion between my employer and myself, and the likely resolution would have involved unpaid leave. Not sure how that plays out in the NBA, since my employer did not have a CBA or salary cap to deal with.

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:

cpower wrote:

Jester_ wrote:Why would you not pay him, that's **** up

for a normal person taking absence like this will not get paid for sure. of course wiggins is not a normal person ..

Then I guess I'm not a normal person. Any job I've had I could have used FMLA or similar programs to take time off for personal reasons. After a point, FMLA would run out, and then it would be a discussion between my employer and myself, and the likely resolution would have involved unpaid leave. Not sure how that plays out in the NBA, since my employer did not have a CBA or salary cap to deal with.

are you able to get paid for 2 months leave? i mean wiggins can go up with 5 months leave if he misses the year. i am not sure what your job is but thats insane benefit !

Obviously Wiggins is getting paid his full salary, just like Wiseman was watching all those games from the sideline!

cpower wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:

cpower wrote:for a normal person taking absence like this will not get paid for sure. of course wiggins is not a normal person ..

Then I guess I'm not a normal person. Any job I've had I could have used FMLA or similar programs to take time off for personal reasons. After a point, FMLA would run out, and then it would be a discussion between my employer and myself, and the likely resolution would have involved unpaid leave. Not sure how that plays out in the NBA, since my employer did not have a CBA or salary cap to deal with.

are you able to get paid for 2 months leave? i mean wiggins can go up with 5 months leave if he misses the year. i am not sure what your job is but thats insane benefit !

Yes? Assuming qualifying events, and we have no idea why Wiggins is away. Again, this isn't something crazy about me. Read:
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/benefits-leave/fmla
It isn't my wacky job with insane benefits. That is a link to the United States Department of Labor, detailing the Family and Medical Leave Act. If you and your position qualify (in the US), your employer can't just decide not to let you do it.

EDIT: Over half of US employees are eligible for FMLA under qualifying circumstances:
https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/OASP/evaluation/pdf/WHD_FMLA2018PB1WhoIsEligible_StudyBrief_Aug2020.pdf

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:

cpower wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:Then I guess I'm not a normal person. Any job I've had I could have used FMLA or similar programs to take time off for personal reasons. After a point, FMLA would run out, and then it would be a discussion between my employer and myself, and the likely resolution would have involved unpaid leave. Not sure how that plays out in the NBA, since my employer did not have a CBA or salary cap to deal with.

are you able to get paid for 2 months leave? i mean wiggins can go up with 5 months leave if he misses the year. i am not sure what your job is but thats insane benefit !

Yes? Assuming qualifying events, and we have no idea why Wiggins is away. Again, this isn't something crazy about me. Read:
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/benefits-leave/fmla
It isn't my wacky job with insane benefits. That is a link to the United States Department of Labor, detailing the Family and Medical Leave Act. If you and your position qualify (in the US), your employer can't just decide not to let you do it.

But to be accurate, FMLA is not guaranteeing you paid leave. That has been left to states to decide and many do not require paid leave in their statutes. So the it’s left to employers and most do not provide paid leave for the full 12 weeks. Almost none provide any paid leave for hourly or part time employees outside of union agreements. FMLA just guarantees that your job will be waiting for you after up to 12 weeks of potentially unpaid leave. “Normal” does suck in this country.

That said, anybody who is 99th percentile achiever in their field probably has the leverage to get a paid leave accommodation or will just get a better offer from another employer after they tell you to take your cheap unpaid leave job and shove ut

Sleepy51 wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:

cpower wrote:are you able to get paid for 2 months leave? i mean wiggins can go up with 5 months leave if he misses the year. i am not sure what your job is but thats insane benefit !

Yes? Assuming qualifying events, and we have no idea why Wiggins is away. Again, this isn't something crazy about me. Read:
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/benefits-leave/fmla
It isn't my wacky job with insane benefits. That is a link to the United States Department of Labor, detailing the Family and Medical Leave Act. If you and your position qualify (in the US), your employer can't just decide not to let you do it.

But to be accurate, FMLA is not guaranteeing you paid leave. That has been left to states to decide and many do not require paid leave in their statutes. So the it’s left to employers and most do not provide paid leave for the full 12 weeks. Almost none provide any paid leave for hourly or part time employees outside of union agreements. FMLA just guarantees that your job will be waiting for you after up to 12 weeks of potentially unpaid leave. “Normal” does suck in this country.

That said, anybody who is 99th percentile achiever in their field probably has the leverage to get a paid leave accommodation or will just get a better offer from another employer after they tell you to take your cheap unpaid leave job and shove ut

Yup, thanks for the additional clarification. Based on states/employers/whatever, your time off might or might not be paid. But as you noted, if the Warriors said, "Okay, we know you're going through this horrible thing, but while we're obligated to keep you employed, we're not paying for it!", it would be goofy and a horrible look. My guess (and I'm not sure on this) is that even if they didn't pay him it wouldn't give them any cap relief, and with luxury tax payments they'd probably still end up paying the vast majority of his cost. They'd save some money, it would still cost them a ton of money, it would set a bad precedent, and burn the house down.

re: hourly/part time employees: that often just boils down to not being eligible. FMLA does not apply unless, among other things, you worked for your employer for at least 1,250 hours in the last 12 months. A 40 hour/week job would do that easily, but many hourly or part time jobs would not.

Also, to be clear, I'm not necessarily suggesting Wiggins is owed leave due to FMLA. I barely keep on top of my own benefits, nevermind his. I am pointing out that over half of American employees could be eligible for this sort of leave due to FMLA, so if he's eligible for this sort of leave for some reason or another, it really wouldn't be that crazy or extravagant. It is reasonably common amongst people who actually care about other people.

I did take a minute to look at the CBA. Nothing screams out, but there are certainly things that could come into play ("Following the execution of this Agreement, the NBA and the Players Association shall establish a mental wellness program for current players; provided, that..."). Hard to say without knowing how those follow-on agreements played out, what is actually going on with Wiggins, etc.

Players HATE it when you mess with their money.

Warriors love Wiggins. Just signed him to a new long-term deal. This is just the Warriors taking care of the family. I doubt in this instance the NBAPA would let the Warriors withhold Wiggins' salary. But practically speaking there is exactly zero chance the Warriors would burn that bridge to save some money and poison the locker room in the process. So it's all hypothetical and a moot point - the simple answer to the OP post "Is Wiggins Still Getting Paid?" Is yes, yes he is. (As he should be.)

If you want to play out the hypothetical, teams can always withhold money, the PA will file a grievance, the whole thing will end up before a judge, the player will end up with most if not all of his money (that's why they call it "guaranteed"), and no players will want to come here because of how we do our players.

See: Ben Simmons.

Remember Monta Ellis?

Monta Ellis knew he was in trouble after he seriously injured his ankle in a moped accident and then lied to the Golden State Warriors about it this summer.

The high-scoring guard probably never imagined that trouble would cost him about $3 million -- and neither did his coach or the man who drafted him.

Warriors president Robert Rowell suspended Ellis for 30 games without pay Saturday for violating his lucrative new contract, a decision that apparently went against the wishes of top basketball executive Chris Mullin and coach Don Nelson.

Obvious troll account obviously trolls

who the **** cares if Wiggins is getting paid or not? He's out, its obviously a horrible situation, and the 'fans' that are going full TMZ on it are flat out useless, except for their one use of being an example of how an utterly useless person acts