Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 10:14 am
No
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:No
Weren’t you proposing trading Klay and 5 FRP’s for Myles Turner in another thread?
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Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 3:21 pm
Weren’t you proposing trading Klay and 5 FRP’s for Myles Turner in another thread?
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 6:09 pm
whatisacenter wrote:SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:No
Weren’t you proposing trading Klay and 5 FRP’s for Myles Turner in another thread?
Yes. That is a trade I would do.
I won’t like trading Klay for sentry mental reasons.
If you trade Draymond you are no longer a contender. Trading Klay (salary) and draft picks (potential) for win now players is the only major move that makes sense.
Continuity is good so any other change of players has you losing on the trade. The only imbalance of player positions the Warriors have is the lack of a back up center and the lack of shot blocking.
If the Warriors must dump more salary then the Warriors can not be a contender.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 3:14 am
Klay + 5 1st round picks would be worse than minny making the dlo-wiggins swap.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 8:01 pm
ILOVEIT wrote:KevinMcreynolds wrote:ILOVEIT wrote:Starting Looney and Draymond must end.
All it takes is finding ONE vet that helps the starting 5 - my move is Jrue Holiday (for home town Poole) and move Klay to SF.
Jrue, Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Draymond as the small ball lineup. Bring Looney, Moody, Kuminga off the bench and run Jrue with the second squad more often.
Jrue is one of the best players in the league and Poole is one of the worst. Why would they do that?
Did you just say Jrue is one of the BEST players in the league and Poole is the WORST? Ouch.
Poole is nowhere near a worse player. He's an uber talented guard who just last year contributed big time in Warriors chip. This year in the regular season he averaged 20. He sucked in the playoffs but let's not overstate it.
He is a Milwaukee local kid and 23.
Jrue has two more seasons in him (according to his own ideal timeline).
JP probably the dumbest Warriors player I’ve ever seen and we’ve had Corey Maggette.
Jrue is a beast at the defense end and can guard any position. More efficient and smarter offense player as well. We would probably have to include JK and two 1sts for Milwaukee to do that.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 9:27 pm
KevinMcreynolds wrote:ILOVEIT wrote:KevinMcreynolds wrote:
Jrue is one of the best players in the league and Poole is one of the worst. Why would they do that?
Did you just say Jrue is one of the BEST players in the league and Poole is the WORST? Ouch.
Poole is nowhere near a worse player. He's an uber talented guard who just last year contributed big time in Warriors chip. This year in the regular season he averaged 20. He sucked in the playoffs but let's not overstate it.
He is a Milwaukee local kid and 23.
Jrue has two more seasons in him (according to his own ideal timeline).
JP probably the dumbest Warriors player I’ve ever seen and we’ve had Corey Maggette.
Jrue is a beast at the defense end and can guard any position. More efficient and smarter offense player as well. We would probably have to include JK and two 1sts for Milwaukee to do that.
nah he just sticks out more because he's surrounded by smart players.. that said, MIL would not be willing to make a massive downgrade. And yes, Poole is a much worse player than Jrue.. shouldnt be a question
take anyone from WE BELIEVE or immediately after (pre-Curry) and they'd look as bad or worse
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 9:44 pm
Retooling. The next step is seeing if Draymond opts into his PO or not. If he does, then we can still compete and just need to find a taker for either or both Poole and Klay. If he opts out, then it'll be a firesale without trying to have Curry lose faith in the organization.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:58 am
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Retooling. The next step is seeing if Draymond opts into his PO or not. If he does, then we can still compete and just need to find a taker for either or both Poole and Klay. If he opts out, then it'll be a firesale without trying to have Curry lose faith in the organization.
I think if Draymond opts out it might also mean seeing what Wiggins could fetch us. Need to maximize value and see what we could get to bolster our depth.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 3:57 am
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Retooling. The next step is seeing if Draymond opts into his PO or not. If he does, then we can still compete and just need to find a taker for either or both Poole and Klay. If he opts out, then it'll be a firesale without trying to have Curry lose faith in the organization.
If he opts in, it will only be because they've already worked out the extension.. him opting out of it wouldnt be good (for those who want to retain him) but would still keep us the heavy favorite to retain him. Teams with capspace aren't likely to overlap much with teams that could use him well enough to pay him as much as the Warriors likely would
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 4:06 am
KevinMcreynolds wrote:JP probably the dumbest Warriors player I’ve ever seen and we’ve had Corey Maggette.
Kelly Oubre is uber offended by this.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 4:19 am
Coxy wrote:KevinMcreynolds wrote:JP probably the dumbest Warriors player I’ve ever seen and we’ve had Corey Maggette.
Kelly Oubre is uber offended by this.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 6:30 am
BayAreaDub wrote:AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Retooling. The next step is seeing if Draymond opts into his PO or not. If he does, then we can still compete and just need to find a taker for either or both Poole and Klay. If he opts out, then it'll be a firesale without trying to have Curry lose faith in the organization.
I think if Draymond opts out it might also mean seeing what Wiggins could fetch us. Need to maximize value and see what we could get to bolster our depth.
People really have to stop mentioning Wiggins when it comes to trades. It would be ludicrous to trade Wiggins unless they upgrade at his position or get a better starting player to team up with Steph.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:07 am
killmongrel wrote:BayAreaDub wrote:AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Retooling. The next step is seeing if Draymond opts into his PO or not. If he does, then we can still compete and just need to find a taker for either or both Poole and Klay. If he opts out, then it'll be a firesale without trying to have Curry lose faith in the organization.
I think if Draymond opts out it might also mean seeing what Wiggins could fetch us. Need to maximize value and see what we could get to bolster our depth.
People really have to stop mentioning Wiggins when it comes to trades. It would be ludicrous to trade Wiggins unless they upgrade at his position or get a better starting player to team up with Steph.
How many wings in the nba would be considered an upgrade to wiggins? I keep seeing guys like tate, Martin Jr, or even brooks being wiggins replacements on the trade board.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 am
Crazy-Canuck wrote:killmongrel wrote:BayAreaDub wrote:
I think if Draymond opts out it might also mean seeing what Wiggins could fetch us. Need to maximize value and see what we could get to bolster our depth.
People really have to stop mentioning Wiggins when it comes to trades. It would be ludicrous to trade Wiggins unless they upgrade at his position or get a better starting player to team up with Steph.
How many wings in the nba would be considered an upgrade to wiggins? I keep seeing guys like tate, Martin Jr, or even brooks being wiggins replacements on the trade board.
I have no idea, especially when it comes to realistic options, but I just don't understand the idea of trading Wiggins for depth. If we do something like that and have no path to getting an upgrade or adding a "second option" on the team, we're just screwing ourselves.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 2:56 pm
killmongrel wrote:Crazy-Canuck wrote:killmongrel wrote:
People really have to stop mentioning Wiggins when it comes to trades. It would be ludicrous to trade Wiggins unless they upgrade at his position or get a better starting player to team up with Steph.
How many wings in the nba would be considered an upgrade to wiggins? I keep seeing guys like tate, Martin Jr, or even brooks being wiggins replacements on the trade board.
I have no idea, especially when it comes to realistic options, but I just don't understand the idea of trading Wiggins for depth. If we do something like that and have no path to getting an upgrade or adding a "second option" on the team, we're just screwing ourselves.
KD or Tatum
Never say never it’s possible
Wiggins you wouldn’t trade for an upgrade anyways. You’d cash him in for assets to help the roster overall.
We need quality depth and I’d for sure see what Poole, Klay, Kuminga, future 1sts before considering a Wiggins trade.
But he is our #1 asset behind Steph
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 3:02 pm
killmongrel wrote:BayAreaDub wrote:AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Retooling. The next step is seeing if Draymond opts into his PO or not. If he does, then we can still compete and just need to find a taker for either or both Poole and Klay. If he opts out, then it'll be a firesale without trying to have Curry lose faith in the organization.
I think if Draymond opts out it might also mean seeing what Wiggins could fetch us. Need to maximize value and see what we could get to bolster our depth.
People really have to stop mentioning Wiggins when it comes to trades. It would be ludicrous to trade Wiggins unless they upgrade at his position or get a better starting player to team up with Steph.
Curry is on an island by himself as the guy you don't trade and Wiggins is second. Unless Wiggins is part of a package to bring back a true star he should not be moved.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:03 pm
BayAreaDub wrote:killmongrel wrote:Crazy-Canuck wrote:
How many wings in the nba would be considered an upgrade to wiggins? I keep seeing guys like tate, Martin Jr, or even brooks being wiggins replacements on the trade board.
I have no idea, especially when it comes to realistic options, but I just don't understand the idea of trading Wiggins for depth. If we do something like that and have no path to getting an upgrade or adding a "second option" on the team, we're just screwing ourselves.
KD or Tatum
Never say never it’s possible
Wiggins you wouldn’t trade for an upgrade anyways. You’d cash him in for assets to help the roster overall.
We need quality depth and I’d for sure see what Poole, Klay, Kuminga, future 1sts before considering a Wiggins trade.
But he is our #1 asset behind Steph
Did you read what I wrote? I said trading Wiggins for depth is foolish if there is no path to upgrading his position or getting a significant player to team Steph up with.
If we need quality depth, there are other ways to get it.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:04 pm
whatisacenter wrote:killmongrel wrote:BayAreaDub wrote:
I think if Draymond opts out it might also mean seeing what Wiggins could fetch us. Need to maximize value and see what we could get to bolster our depth.
People really have to stop mentioning Wiggins when it comes to trades. It would be ludicrous to trade Wiggins unless they upgrade at his position or get a better starting player to team up with Steph.
Curry is on an island by himself as the guy you don't trade and Wiggins is second. Unless Wiggins is part of a package to bring back a true star he should not be moved.
Agreed.
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 pm
Just trade pKlay and Draymond annd Poole and a bunch of money for a box of popcorn and then we will be a contender; right?
Re: Is it time to break up the core 3?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:49 pm
killmongrel wrote:BayAreaDub wrote:killmongrel wrote:
I have no idea, especially when it comes to realistic options, but I just don't understand the idea of trading Wiggins for depth. If we do something like that and have no path to getting an upgrade or adding a "second option" on the team, we're just screwing ourselves.
KD or Tatum
Never say never it’s possible
Wiggins you wouldn’t trade for an upgrade anyways. You’d cash him in for assets to help the roster overall.
We need quality depth and I’d for sure see what Poole, Klay, Kuminga, future 1sts before considering a Wiggins trade.
But he is our #1 asset behind Steph
Did you read what I wrote? I said trading Wiggins for depth is foolish if there is no path to upgrading his position or getting a significant player to team Steph up with.
If we need quality depth, there are other ways to get it.
We talking about the same thing. You didn’t say foolish btw.
I’m saying we consider a Wiggins trade if overall it improves the roster along with Klay, Poole, Kuminga, picks trade(s). Complete overhaul if it made sense.
I’m thinking big picture you’re thinking a single trade.