1/15 Game 40: Warriors (18-21) @ Grizzlies (14-25) 3:00pm PT on TNT

[watch1958]

Moody didn't make one good play tonight.

[Onus]

Pretty damn ridiculous the grizz shot 54 3s and 40 fts. Basically if they didn’t shoot a 3 they were going to the ft line

[ILOVEIT]

How would everyone feel if we traded all the vets and kept the young guys? How would you feel about getting draft picks and young players to go with Kuminga, Moody, Podz, TJD?

It would be a direction, at least. This current roster/team/coach is hard to watch. I don't know. It makes some sense.

Steph could get us a good package of youth / picks.
Draymond might net something from a desperate team.
Gonna take picks to offload Wiggins.
Klay/CP3 might net us a draft pick if we take on longterm salary.
I dont think we gain much as far as draft capital by trading vets. Priority should be saving Lacob money.

I dont see a core building block with our youth. We (likely) dont have our 1st this year.

Direction: this season save money and attempt to get longterm piece who can contribute now.
Dump Joseph to save money.(doable - target PHX)
Dump Saric to save money
Dump Looney to save money (probably cost us a 2nd)
Dump GP2 to save money (probably cost us a 2nd)
I think we should do what we can to upgrade Klay or CP3 to a longterm piece (and let the other one expire at years end). Lets say that piece is Murray.

Steph, Murray, Wiggins, Dummy, TJD as the starting lineup.

Bring in a new coach fhat runs an offensive system that doesnt require PHDs to play with a 38 yo not in his prime.

(It’ll probably take Podz + pick to get Murray so that leaves us JK and Moody off the bench. Fill out rest of the roster with vet minimums and hungry youngsters.

If I thought we could get the longterm piece trading Wiggins I’d do that but think Wiggins takes an asset to move now and we dont have enough to waste.

I would MUCH rather watch a young team playing with spirit and joy than watching this "core" look frustrated every night. Let's get back to a young talented HUNGRY team.

Frankly, trading Curry would be the difference between a quick re-boot or just a losing team with an aging Curry.

[oaktownwarriors87]

At this point, they have to pick a direction with roster building. If the team cannot afford Length and defense on every position that is not Steph, then you have to build a roster that runs every team off the floor from offense alone, along with Length.

Start with Lauri and get a real 7 foot center than can dunk/Shoot and rebound and Klay needs to be off the starting lineup. Only Dray(because he cannot be moved) and Steph are safe from starters, the rest of the starters need to be long and athletic and be able to protect Steph and close out on shooters. Pod and Klay can come off the bench

Don't want to trade Kuminga but if it fixes 2 positions from the starting unit or if he becomes consistent then it's fine

I just want Dejounte Murray so we can play scrambling defense again.

Maybe a cheap 4th string center 280 pound 6’ 11” big stiff shot blocker for contrast with our 3 undersized centers.

We have Saric as our 3 point shooting center. I am not big on 3 point shooting centers and I am not drooling for Lauri who’s defense I did not like in the past.

3 point shooting centers create floor spacing but centers screening for Curry and Klay also create floor spacing.

Murray can create his own shot.

Lauri has been better than everyone on this roster, and it's even arguable he hasn't been better than Steph this year, certainly on advanced stats and his team is better than the warriors while him being the leader and he is killing it right now against the pacers

Lauri is a 3/4 and I doubt the Warriors have enough to trade for him.

[Sandy333]

With steph shooting so poorly this year , klay has been the only offense. Wiggins cannot shoot from outside or inside unless it is a wide open dunk. Podz , kuminga, Tjd, moody are only good against second units. Saric is good for a few points this year, that's all.

[Onus]

I just want Dejounte Murray so we can play scrambling defense again.

Maybe a cheap 4th string center 280 pound 6’ 11” big stiff shot blocker for contrast with our 3 undersized centers.

We have Saric as our 3 point shooting center. I am not big on 3 point shooting centers and I am not drooling for Lauri who’s defense I did not like in the past.

3 point shooting centers create floor spacing but centers screening for Curry and Klay also create floor spacing.

Murray can create his own shot.

Lauri has been better than everyone on this roster, and it's even arguable he hasn't been better than Steph this year, certainly on advanced stats and his team is better than the warriors while him being the leader and he is killing it right now against the pacers

Lauri is a 3/4 and I doubt the Warriors have enough to trade for him.

Lauri is actually guarding 5s this year. He's guarded Jokic, AD, Turner in the last few games. He's been very versatile.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

At this point, they have to pick a direction with roster building. If the team cannot afford Length and defense on every position that is not Steph, then you have to build a roster that runs every team off the floor from offense alone, along with Length.

Start with Lauri and get a real 7 foot center than can dunk/Shoot and rebound and Klay needs to be off the starting lineup. Only Dray(because he cannot be moved) and Steph are safe from starters, the rest of the starters need to be long and athletic and be able to protect Steph and close out on shooters. Pod and Klay can come off the bench

Don't want to trade Kuminga but if it fixes 2 positions from the starting unit or if he becomes consistent then it's fine

I just want Dejounte Murray so we can play scrambling defense again.

Maybe a cheap 4th string center 280 pound 6’ 11” big stiff shot blocker for contrast with our 3 undersized centers.

We have Saric as our 3 point shooting center. I am not big on 3 point shooting centers and I am not drooling for Lauri who’s defense I did not like in the past.

3 point shooting centers create floor spacing but centers screening for Curry and Klay also create floor spacing.

Murray can create his own shot.

Problem with Kerr is that on this team, Murray should replace Klay, but Steve would have him replace Wiggins.

Can’t play decent defense with Klay right now.

The other possibility is Klay replacing Wiggins in the starting line up but with reduced minutes while Wiggins plays 20 something minutes off the bench if he plays better or equal to how he has hiplayed his last 3 games. So SF and off guard would be mostly Murray Klay and Wiggins with some Podz and Payton. Payton and Murray can defend point guards. Murray and Podz can be point guards on offense. Preferably Murray has either Podz or Draymond on the floor with him because Murray is not a pure point guard and neither is Podz. But they are good enough to take Cory Joseph’s and and good enough for us to trade Chris Paul.

[Onus]

I just want Dejounte Murray so we can play scrambling defense again.

Maybe a cheap 4th string center 280 pound 6’ 11” big stiff shot blocker for contrast with our 3 undersized centers.

We have Saric as our 3 point shooting center. I am not big on 3 point shooting centers and I am not drooling for Lauri who’s defense I did not like in the past.

3 point shooting centers create floor spacing but centers screening for Curry and Klay also create floor spacing.

Murray can create his own shot.

Problem with Kerr is that on this team, Murray should replace Klay, but Steve would have him replace Wiggins.

Can’t play decent defense with Klay right now.

The other possibility is Klay replacing Wiggins in the starting line up but with reduced minutes while Wiggins plays 20 something minutes off the bench if he plays better or equal to how he has hiplayed his last 3 games. So SF and off guard would be mostly Murray Klay and Wiggins with some Podz and Payton. Payton and Murray can defend point guards. Murray and Podz can be point guards on offense. Preferably Murray has either Podz or Draymond on the floor with him because Murray is not a pure point guard and neither is Podz. But they are good enough to take Cory Joseph’s and and good enough for us to trade Chris Paul.

But Klay is the issue and he should be playing 20 mpg off the bench. I think Kerr just like the thought of having Klay out there as a shooting threat, but is he really a shooting threat if he just misses and takes awful shots and can't defend? When is Kerr going to wake up?

[Chris Porter's Hair]

With steph shooting so poorly this year , klay has been the only offense. Wiggins cannot shoot from outside or inside unless it is a wide open dunk. Podz , kuminga, Tjd, moody are only good against second units. Saric is good for a few points this year, that's all.

I don't understand what this means. Steph has shot more 2's than Klay at a higher percentage than Klay. Steph has shot more 3's than Klay at a higher percentage than Klay. Steph has shot more free throws than Klay at a higher percentage than Klay. How is Klay the only offense due to Steph's struggles?

[thunderdunk]

With steph shooting so poorly this year , klay has been the only offense. Wiggins cannot shoot from outside or inside unless it is a wide open dunk. Podz , kuminga, Tjd, moody are only good against second units. Saric is good for a few points this year, that's all.

I don't understand what this means. Steph has shot more 2's than Klay at a higher percentage than Klay. Steph has shot more 3's than Klay at a higher percentage than Klay. Steph has shot more free throws than Klay at a higher percentage than Klay. How is Klay the only offense due to Steph's struggles?

Sandy is posting nonsense...

[510TWSS]

I just want Dejounte Murray so we can play scrambling defense again.

Maybe a cheap 4th string center 280 pound 6’ 11” big stiff shot blocker for contrast with our 3 undersized centers.

We have Saric as our 3 point shooting center. I am not big on 3 point shooting centers and I am not drooling for Lauri who’s defense I did not like in the past.

3 point shooting centers create floor spacing but centers screening for Curry and Klay also create floor spacing.

Murray can create his own shot.

Lauri has been better than everyone on this roster, and it's even arguable he hasn't been better than Steph this year, certainly on advanced stats and his team is better than the warriors while him being the leader and he is killing it right now against the pacers

Lauri is a 3/4 and I doubt the Warriors have enough to trade for him.

agreed all pods indicate it would be foolish to call ainge unless you're backing up the brinks truck. which we don't have really

[510TWSS]

Problem with Kerr is that on this team, Murray should replace Klay, but Steve would have him replace Wiggins.

Can’t play decent defense with Klay right now.

The other possibility is Klay replacing Wiggins in the starting line up but with reduced minutes while Wiggins plays 20 something minutes off the bench if he plays better or equal to how he has hiplayed his last 3 games. So SF and off guard would be mostly Murray Klay and Wiggins with some Podz and Payton. Payton and Murray can defend point guards. Murray and Podz can be point guards on offense. Preferably Murray has either Podz or Draymond on the floor with him because Murray is not a pure point guard and neither is Podz. But they are good enough to take Cory Joseph’s and and good enough for us to trade Chris Paul.

But Klay is the issue and he should be playing 20 mpg off the bench. I think Kerr just like the thought of having Klay out there as a shooting threat, but is he really a shooting threat if he just misses and takes awful shots and can't defend? When is Kerr going to wake up?

tape speaks for itself. klay is not interested in all things related to basketball unless he's about ready to jack up a shot attempt lmao

[jozef]

I think Kerr just like the thought of having Klay out there as a shooting threat, but is he really a shooting threat if he just misses and takes awful shots and can't defend? When is Kerr going to wake up?

His January offensive stats:
.416 3P% (matches his career average)
.510 2P% (above his career average)
.923 FT% (*** insane)
1.6 TO per 36 mins (matches his career best)
3.7 assists per 36 mins (tops his career best)

As far as defense, he is guard with natural instincts for sprinting to fastbreak opportunity. He plays good fundamental one-to-one defense but he often defends taller forwards and struggles to box them out and play help defense. That's what the deficiency is about and I cannot blame him for it.

[Onus]

Lauri has been better than everyone on this roster, and it's even arguable he hasn't been better than Steph this year, certainly on advanced stats and his team is better than the warriors while him being the leader and he is killing it right now against the pacers

Lauri is a 3/4 and I doubt the Warriors have enough to trade for him.

agreed all pods indicate it would be foolish to call ainge unless you're backing up the brinks truck. which we don't have really

We should move everything we can for Lauri. The perfect complement for this team.

[KevinMcreynolds]

why would Utah trade him? He has arguably the most team-friendly contract in the league

[oaktownwarriors87]

why would Utah trade him? He has arguably the most team-friendly contract in the league

They also own the 2nd most 1st round draft picks until 2030 and they'll have 40 million in cap space.

The Jazz are in a position to buy, not sell.

[Onus]

why would Utah trade him? He has arguably the most team-friendly contract in the league

They also own the 2nd most 1st round draft picks until 2030 and they'll have 40 million in cap space.

The Jazz are in a position to buy, not sell.

I put this in the trade thread but the Jazz have put out that Lauri is available for the right price twice this season. Like a little reminder notification that Lauri is available.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Did anyone else notice steph and green upset with jk on the court? I saw it on 2nd watch.

Steph was upset that jk didn't move the ball to podz after he was pointing and jumping up and down to do it.

Jk brushed him off and went iso (turned it over).

End of the quarter or half, dray saw the give and go and passed it to jk. Jk didn't look at the ball. Another turnover.

[SpreeS]

Did anyone else notice steph and green upset with jk on the court? I saw it on 2nd watch.

Steph was upset that jk didn't move the ball to podz after he was pointing and jumping up and down to do it.

Jk brushed him off and went iso (turned it over).

End of the quarter or half, dray saw the give and go and passed it to jk. Jk didn't look at the ball. Another turnover.

And here is a problem. They both doesn’t look good this season with all antics, bad defence and turnovers. So no need to point to others. Why don’t they upset with Klay? Its not only Kerr problem, our veterans have also strange relationship with young players

[superunknown]

Did anyone else notice steph and green upset with jk on the court? I saw it on 2nd watch.

Steph was upset that jk didn't move the ball to podz after he was pointing and jumping up and down to do it.

Jk brushed him off and went iso (turned it over).

End of the quarter or half, dray saw the give and go and passed it to jk. Jk didn't look at the ball. Another turnover.

And here is a problem. They both doesn’t look good this season with all antics, bad defence and turnovers. So no need to point to others. Why don’t they upset with Klay? Its not only Kerr problem, our veterans have also strange relationship with young players

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