Wait Draymond coming off bench is permanent?

[EvanZ]

This is quite an unexpected shift. I guess Draymond has to play with Moody now lol.

[Jester_]

who the **** knows what this dude is doing

i fully expect lindy waters to be our starting C by all star break

[Crazy-Canuck]

Dray was pissy since he entered the game. He and steph are saying the right things publicly but..

I think this is a lacob move being shoved down everyone's throat much like podz starting.

[jaymo123]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

[vvoland]

Dray's presser seemed sincere and it certainly sounded like if he wants to start at the 5, he will

[superunknown]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

[vvoland]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think there were plenty of people around the league, not just within the org, that were very high on podz and, to a lesser extent, JK. Just what "very high" means is debatable but teams were inquiring/asking for them so there was value.

It has certainly been a mistake they've repeated with their picks, poole, Wiseman, jk, moody, and podz. They were able to win one championship while making those mistakes so I wouldn't lambast them with real vigor, but I think everyone agrees those were big mistakes.

Not sure how much going back into the 2nd apron was a possibility this season so the entire conversation might be moot. They've certainly signaled for a while that their goal was to get out of it last summer. That's probably what I would be most upset with lacob with. If he really is penny pinching now, after seeing the franchise value go from 325m to 9,000m and raking in 750-900m in revenue annually, I'll join the mob.

[whatisacenter]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

[Jester_]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

based on what exactly? how is he waning/ his production is at the same level as his prime years - certainly at the same level as '22. advanced numbers back this up as well. he's just playing less minutes.

maybe he needs a bit more r&r throughout the season but acting like he isn't capable of pulling off another '22 doesn't make any sense. he isn't Lebron who's clearly lost a step. if he's healthy in the playoffs he's the most dangerous player in the league.

just a nonsensical attitude. Steph is a GOAT and a superstar who's barely lost a step and you want to, what, give up and kick off 15 years of rebuilding?

[whatisacenter]

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

based on what exactly? how is he waning/ his production is at the same level as his prime years - certainly at the same level as '22. advanced numbers back this up as well. he's just playing less minutes.

maybe he needs a bit more r&r throughout the season but acting like he isn't capable of pulling off another '22 doesn't make any sense. he isn't Lebron who's clearly lost a step. if he's healthy in the playoffs he's the most dangerous player in the league.

just a nonsensical attitude. Steph is a GOAT and a superstar who's barely lost a step and you want to, what, give up and kick off 15 years of rebuilding?

Watch him play...

Yes, he and Draymond are playing fewer minutes than ever and they look gassed after 5-7 minutes of playing time.

Steph is a superstar and I will be fine rooting for him on the backside of his career for my favorite team.

If a number 1 like Giannis had been available I would have hoped the team would have gone all-in to get him but there isn't anyone out there who can move the needle.

It's cute that some of you still think this team is a running mate away from contending.

[superunknown]

If this is the case, this seems like a showcase for the next few weeks to show off Podz and Kuminga to potential trade suitors.

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

kuminga and podz (and TJD) are not the answer anyway.
they are not the future of a contending team by any means, and in the case of kuminga we are also talking about a player who is (allegedelly) seeking a 35-40M$ a year extension. again, there is no reasonable cause to keep him, regardless of steph's knees or draymond aging.
hold on to them has been just a mistake. it's time for the FO to realize that.

[whatisacenter]

I guess trading their asses in the summer required too much "swallow-the-pride" by the FO.... now they have to resort to a showcase 2 months into the season to show them off when they could just move them in the offeseason.
"light years ahead" if any.
well done joe. you are really a basketball front office savant.

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

kuminga and podz (and TJD) are not the answer anyway.
they are not the future of a contending team by any means, and in the case of kuminga we are also talking about a player who is (allegedelly) seeking a 35-40M$ a year extension. again, there is no reasonable cause to keep him, regardless of steph's knees or draymond aging.
hold on to them has been just a mistake. it's time for the FO to realize that.

Cool, trade them, just don't attach 4 FRP's to them for an over the hill guy like PG/Jimmy Butler or a guy like Lauri who will never be a No. 1 on a contending team.

[Jester_]

I think it's time for this fanbase to realize that the 2022 title was the cherry-on-top of an amazing dynastic run.

Steph got his 4 titles and his olympic gold medal in the offseason to cap an epic run of dominance that looks to be wanning.

This team needs a number 1 more than Steph needs a running mate....with Curry's knees barking he just doesn't look like he is able to be a number 1 anymore on a contending team.

Draymond can no longer cover the same area on defense that he used to be able to and shows bursts of energy but often jogs around the court.

It looks like the Warriors dodged a bullet by not trading the farm for PG or Lauri as neither one of them is a number 1 for a contending team, IMO, and were not worth trading multiple FRP's and gutting the teams depth to acquire.

As fans, our bellies should be full and we should be fully sated at this point.

based on what exactly? how is he waning/ his production is at the same level as his prime years - certainly at the same level as '22. advanced numbers back this up as well. he's just playing less minutes.

maybe he needs a bit more r&r throughout the season but acting like he isn't capable of pulling off another '22 doesn't make any sense. he isn't Lebron who's clearly lost a step. if he's healthy in the playoffs he's the most dangerous player in the league.

just a nonsensical attitude. Steph is a GOAT and a superstar who's barely lost a step and you want to, what, give up and kick off 15 years of rebuilding?

Watch him play...

Yes, he and Draymond are playing fewer minutes than ever and they look gassed after 5-7 minutes of playing time.

Steph is a superstar and I will be fine rooting for him on the backside of his career for my favorite team.

If a number 1 like Giannis had been available I would have hoped the team would have gone all-in to get him but there isn't anyone out there who can move the needle.

It's cute that some of you still think this team is a running mate away from contending.

ok so despite being gassed in 5 minutes he's putting up basically the same numbers as he did as an MVP on less than 30 minutes a game and advanced metrics still paint him as one of the single most impactful players on the planet at any give nmoment

but yea "uSe ThE EyE tEsT" always here to bail out **** arguments. this dude won a championship with andrew wiggins as his second best player like 36 months ago and now we need giannis to contend lmao

[Coxy]

Somethings brewing.....

[whatisacenter]

based on what exactly? how is he waning/ his production is at the same level as his prime years - certainly at the same level as '22. advanced numbers back this up as well. he's just playing less minutes.

maybe he needs a bit more r&r throughout the season but acting like he isn't capable of pulling off another '22 doesn't make any sense. he isn't Lebron who's clearly lost a step. if he's healthy in the playoffs he's the most dangerous player in the league.

just a nonsensical attitude. Steph is a GOAT and a superstar who's barely lost a step and you want to, what, give up and kick off 15 years of rebuilding?

Watch him play...

Yes, he and Draymond are playing fewer minutes than ever and they look gassed after 5-7 minutes of playing time.

Steph is a superstar and I will be fine rooting for him on the backside of his career for my favorite team.

If a number 1 like Giannis had been available I would have hoped the team would have gone all-in to get him but there isn't anyone out there who can move the needle.

It's cute that some of you still think this team is a running mate away from contending.

ok so despite being gassed in 5 minutes he's putting up basically the same numbers as he did as an MVP on less than 30 minutes a game and advanced metrics still paint him as one of the single most impactful players on the planet at any give nmoment

but yea "uSe ThE EyE tEsT" always here to bail out **** arguments. this dude won a championship with andrew wiggins as his second best player like 36 months ago and now we need giannis to contend lmao

You’re acting like 36 months ago isn’t a long time at his age.

If the front office can find a guy like AD or Giannis I’m all for going all in.

[Jester_]

Watch him play...

Yes, he and Draymond are playing fewer minutes than ever and they look gassed after 5-7 minutes of playing time.

Steph is a superstar and I will be fine rooting for him on the backside of his career for my favorite team.

If a number 1 like Giannis had been available I would have hoped the team would have gone all-in to get him but there isn't anyone out there who can move the needle.

It's cute that some of you still think this team is a running mate away from contending.

ok so despite being gassed in 5 minutes he's putting up basically the same numbers as he did as an MVP on less than 30 minutes a game and advanced metrics still paint him as one of the single most impactful players on the planet at any give nmoment

but yea "uSe ThE EyE tEsT" always here to bail out **** arguments. this dude won a championship with andrew wiggins as his second best player like 36 months ago and now we need giannis to contend lmao

You’re acting like 36 months ago isn’t a long time at his age.

If the front office can find a guy like AD or Giannis I’m all for going all in.

AD Avg Net Rtg: +1.6
Giannis Avg Net Rtg: +6.3
KD Avg Net Rtg: +1.2
Steph Avg Net Rtg: +17.4

lol ok

[vvoland]

ok so despite being gassed in 5 minutes he's putting up basically the same numbers as he did as an MVP on less than 30 minutes a game and advanced metrics still paint him as one of the single most impactful players on the planet at any give nmoment

but yea "uSe ThE EyE tEsT" always here to bail out **** arguments. this dude won a championship with andrew wiggins as his second best player like 36 months ago and now we need giannis to contend lmao

You’re acting like 36 months ago isn’t a long time at his age.

If the front office can find a guy like AD or Giannis I’m all for going all in.

AD Avg Net Rtg: +1.6
Giannis Avg Net Rtg: +6.3
KD Avg Net Rtg: +1.2
Steph Avg Net Rtg: +17.4

lol ok

How are the jazz doing with Lauri on/off? Hint, he ain't helping

[Jester_]

You’re acting like 36 months ago isn’t a long time at his age.

If the front office can find a guy like AD or Giannis I’m all for going all in.

AD Avg Net Rtg: +1.6
Giannis Avg Net Rtg: +6.3
KD Avg Net Rtg: +1.2
Steph Avg Net Rtg: +17.4

lol ok

How are the jazz doing with Lauri on/off? Hint, he ain't helping

lauri's on/off is better than giannis's at the moment

do you really want to keep going?

[vvoland]

AD Avg Net Rtg: +1.6
Giannis Avg Net Rtg: +6.3
KD Avg Net Rtg: +1.2
Steph Avg Net Rtg: +17.4

lol ok

How are the jazz doing with Lauri on/off? Hint, he ain't helping

lauri's on/off is better than giannis's at the moment

do you really want to keep going?

You may want to re-examine what your statement implies about your logic....

[Crazy-Canuck]

This move is so bad on so many different levels. Mixed messages with this move

We don't care about defense.
We don't care about shooting.
Steph you aren't good enough anymore.
Dray, you aren't good enough anymore.
Wiggs, you're just not playing good enough.
Etc..etc..

Kerr is clearly prioritizing jk and his extension (sounds like klay all over again). Dray didn't volunteer to do this. He didn't suggest it either. He was basically told to try it by kerr, and he accepted it.