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Any trade for a good player is going to require either of these two most likely. So, which one?

For me it comes down to the following: Is Kuminga a max level all-star on a championship team? He's super exciting to watch, uber athletic, but his play is kind of that empty calorie style - he reminds me of Russel Westbrook a bit....explosive and dynamic but lacking a championship level IQ.

In a playoff run, I'm more confident that Wiggins (paired with Kuzma, for example) has the skills AND mentality to do whatever it takes to win - ultra defender, offensive rebounder and slasher. I'd rather see Curry, Wiggins, Kuzma, Draymond - all vets.

Bottom line: I don't trust Kuminga as a high IQ winner for the Warriors going forward and I'd rather trade him now for a more reliable vet for the remaining Curry years.

Which one would you trade?

If we are trading for Kyle Kuzma, can I trade neither of them please?

It depends on who we are trading for in all honesty.

So, we trade the only wing on the roster for another pf?

Wiggins is a wing. Jk is a 4. Kuzma is a 4.

If we are building around jk and not steph, I'd considering trading wiggins (not for kuzma).

The league is dying for big 2 way wings that can score/shoot and wiggs is arguably outplaying all of them. Bridges got 5 firsts in a trade. Og got some firsts and a 40M+ extension. Wiggs has been better this season and is getting paid 26M.

If the team chooses to compete with steph. I trade him in a package for a pg/sg.

I don't think jk has the value many people seem to think he has. That ship has sailed.

Wiggins, with his current contract and two way play is untradable until his value around the league is where OG or bridges were before their trades.

There is good reason to believe his current level isn't an outlier but a return to form. You can't trade him now unless it brings back a true star or a high level two way player (jrue, Jalen Williams, etc.).

I’m half expecting something super bad after 12/14. Like sending lots of stuff to Chicago for Vuc and Zac.

Then watching a turd fest for four months.

watch1958 wrote:I’m half expecting something super bad after 12/14. Like sending lots of stuff to Chicago for Vuc and Zac.

Then watching a turd fest for four months.

watch1958 wrote:I’m half expecting something super bad after 12/14. Like sending lots of stuff to Chicago for Vuc and Zac.

Then watching a turd fest for four months.

if they wanted to add lavine, they should've done it last Feb trade deadline or in the summer when they could've sent to CHI klay's exprining or paul expriring.
adding that max contract now would be too idiotic even for this current FO. that ship (logically) has sailed, together with other options, once klay's and paul's contract expired.

ILOVEIT wrote:Any trade for a good player is going to require either of these two most likely. So, which one?

For me it comes down to the following: Is Kuminga a max level all-star on a championship team? He's super exciting to watch, uber athletic, but his play is kind of that empty calorie style - he reminds me of Russel Westbrook a bit....explosive and dynamic but lacking a championship level IQ.

In a playoff run, I'm more confident that Wiggins (paired with Kuzma, for example) has the skills AND mentality to do whatever it takes to win - ultra defender, offensive rebounder and slasher. I'd rather see Curry, Wiggins, Kuzma, Draymond - all vets.

Bottom line: I don't trust Kuminga as a high IQ winner for the Warriors going forward and I'd rather trade him now for a more reliable vet for the remaining Curry years.

Which one would you trade?

is this a trick question?

why someone in his right mind should trade the best wing defender and arguably the best 2 way player on a team in need of other 2 way players, on a team-friendly deal, that is averaging 17 points on 42% from 3 in less than 29 mins per game ?!
to bet the chips on what exactly? an inconsistent one-way player with a a questionable basketball IQ, that cannot be trusted defensively and on the glass, is shooting lightly above 30% from 3, and is seeking a 200M contract extension?

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watch1958 wrote:I’m half expecting something super bad after 12/14. Like sending lots of stuff to Chicago for Vuc and Zac.

Then watching a turd fest for four months.

if they wanted to add lavine, they should've done it last Feb trade deadline or in the summer when they could've sent to CHI klay's exprining or paul expriring.
adding that max contract now would be too idiotic even for this current FO. that ship (logically) has sailed, together with other options, once klay's and paul's contract expired.

Bills offered lavine for wiggins. Mjd said no in the offseason. There is always going to be a market for wiggins, his value is only going to get higher of he continues his play.



And only 1 of those guys can score as well.

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

superunknown wrote:

watch1958 wrote:I’m half expecting something super bad after 12/14. Like sending lots of stuff to Chicago for Vuc and Zac.

Then watching a turd fest for four months.

if they wanted to add lavine, they should've done it last Feb trade deadline or in the summer when they could've sent to CHI klay's exprining or paul expriring.
adding that max contract now would be too idiotic even for this current FO. that ship (logically) has sailed, together with other options, once klay's and paul's contract expired.

Bills offered lavine for wiggins. Mjd said no in the offseason. There is always going to be a market for wiggins, his value is only going to get higher of he continues his play.

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And only 1 of those guys can score as well.

yes, indeed. you don't trade wiggins.

You can trade Wiggins. But if you do it is for a youth movement. Which is what I think GS should do. I don't really care about trying to get Steph one more championship. I might if I thought it was a real possibility, but I don't. I want picks and youth.

First off, you'd be entirely surprised at how many puppies I'd allow to be kicked before i finally caved and took Kuzma on this team for free. It would be on par with Michael Vick levels of heartlessness. And I'll joke about that long before I'd ever joke about Kuzma on the Warriors

If I was trading for a veteran, I'd be trading JK. If I was rebuilding, AND if the offer was worth its salt, I'd trade Wiggins. But the thing is that if the team was rebuilding, you don't trade from the middle at first. You trade from the top, and then let the middle guys try and rise up and increase value

So JK is the far more likely option to be dealt obviously, but unless Kerr goes into the default mode of last year where he's just starting based on feel and it clearly isn't working, I dont see much of a need, or personal desire, to trade JK. This is one of the last years he'll probably be valued correctly as a bench scorer with upside.. take advantage of that. Its one of the last years the team will even be in the realm of contention, so why? There's no way they can get an impact player for him without gutting the team, and 1 for 1 his salary wont get anyone worth it back

That's why the whole "2nd star" idea is **** stupid. It was fine in the offseason with CP3 as ballast, but now it will just be something damaging and pointless. If this team is going to go anywhere, it will be like the 03-04 Pistons where they add another really good role player and ride a deep team to relevancy. All I want is Schroder while keeping JK... it should be low risk asset-wise and potentially impactful roster-wise

watch1958 wrote:I’m half expecting something super bad after 12/14. Like sending lots of stuff to Chicago for Vuc and Zac.

Then watching a turd fest for four months.

I have a lot of faith in Dunleavy tbh... I really doubt that he was the one holding back JK in the PG trade, and the rest of his moves have been really solid, gunning for high IQ players instead of getting dumb talent - ironically like the guys he was traded for back in the day

There's always a lot of *actual* rumblings when a deal is being made too, and havent heard anything except for some of the lower names mentioned in the trade thread. The team has never pulled off big deals mid-season and I'd expect that to continue

ILOVEIT wrote:Any trade for a good player is going to require either of these two most likely. So, which one?

For me it comes down to the following: Is Kuminga a max level all-star on a championship team? He's super exciting to watch, uber athletic, but his play is kind of that empty calorie style - he reminds me of Russel Westbrook a bit....explosive and dynamic but lacking a championship level IQ.

In a playoff run, I'm more confident that Wiggins (paired with Kuzma, for example) has the skills AND mentality to do whatever it takes to win - ultra defender, offensive rebounder and slasher. I'd rather see Curry, Wiggins, Kuzma, Draymond - all vets.

Bottom line: I don't trust Kuminga as a high IQ winner for the Warriors going forward and I'd rather trade him now for a more reliable vet for the remaining Curry years.

Which one would you trade?

Not against trading anyone not named Curry or Green, but suggesting we trade Kumming due to his empty calorie style and in the same breath suggesting we trade for Kyle frigging Kuzma is dare I say, oxymoronic...

Wiggins is infinitely more useful in playoffs.

CDM_Stats wrote:First off, you'd be entirely surprised at how many puppies I'd allow to be kicked before i finally caved and took Kuzma on this team for free. It would be on par with Michael Vick levels of heartlessness. And I'll joke about that long before I'd ever joke about Kuzma on the Warriors

If I was trading for a veteran, I'd be trading JK. If I was rebuilding, AND if the offer was worth its salt, I'd trade Wiggins. But the thing is that if the team was rebuilding, you don't trade from the middle at first. You trade from the top, and then let the middle guys try and rise up and increase value

So JK is the far more likely option to be dealt obviously, but unless Kerr goes into the default mode of last year where he's just starting based on feel and it clearly isn't working, I dont see much of a need, or personal desire, to trade JK. This is one of the last years he'll probably be valued correctly as a bench scorer with upside.. take advantage of that. Its one of the last years the team will even be in the realm of contention, so why? There's no way they can get an impact player for him without gutting the team, and 1 for 1 his salary wont get anyone worth it back

That's why the whole "2nd star" idea is **** stupid. It was fine in the offseason with CP3 as ballast, but now it will just be something damaging and pointless. If this team is going to go anywhere, it will be like the 03-04 Pistons where they add another really good role player and ride a deep team to relevancy. All I want is Schroder while keeping JK... it should be low risk asset-wise and potentially impactful roster-wise

that's a different way to look at the kuminga situation that I haven't thought about before.
The only issue I have with that is that if there is no intention to extend him (and, as for today, he' hasn't shown he is worth the 35Mx5 he's seeking), you will lose him for nothing. It's still better to trade him than seeing him walk away for nothing next summer or paying him the bag he's seeking.
unless, of course, he improves his all-around game and/or lower his extension request.

CDM_Stats wrote:First off, you'd be entirely surprised at how many puppies I'd allow to be kicked before i finally caved and took Kuzma on this team for free. It would be on par with Michael Vick levels of heartlessness. And I'll joke about that long before I'd ever joke about Kuzma on the Warriors

If I was trading for a veteran, I'd be trading JK. If I was rebuilding, AND if the offer was worth its salt, I'd trade Wiggins. But the thing is that if the team was rebuilding, you don't trade from the middle at first. You trade from the top, and then let the middle guys try and rise up and increase value

So JK is the far more likely option to be dealt obviously, but unless Kerr goes into the default mode of last year where he's just starting based on feel and it clearly isn't working, I dont see much of a need, or personal desire, to trade JK. This is one of the last years he'll probably be valued correctly as a bench scorer with upside.. take advantage of that. Its one of the last years the team will even be in the realm of contention, so why? There's no way they can get an impact player for him without gutting the team, and 1 for 1 his salary wont get anyone worth it back

That's why the whole "2nd star" idea is **** stupid. It was fine in the offseason with CP3 as ballast, but now it will just be something damaging and pointless. If this team is going to go anywhere, it will be like the 03-04 Pistons where they add another really good role player and ride a deep team to relevancy. All I want is Schroder while keeping JK... it should be low risk asset-wise and potentially impactful roster-wise

It's amazing how much I agree with you on this and considering how much the Melton contract matches up, just give up the frp and call it a day

CDM_Stats wrote:First off, you'd be entirely surprised at how many puppies I'd allow to be kicked before i finally caved and took Kuzma on this team for free. It would be on par with Michael Vick levels of heartlessness. And I'll joke about that long before I'd ever joke about Kuzma on the Warriors

If I was trading for a veteran, I'd be trading JK. If I was rebuilding, AND if the offer was worth its salt, I'd trade Wiggins. But the thing is that if the team was rebuilding, you don't trade from the middle at first. You trade from the top, and then let the middle guys try and rise up and increase value

So JK is the far more likely option to be dealt obviously, but unless Kerr goes into the default mode of last year where he's just starting based on feel and it clearly isn't working, I dont see much of a need, or personal desire, to trade JK. This is one of the last years he'll probably be valued correctly as a bench scorer with upside.. take advantage of that. Its one of the last years the team will even be in the realm of contention, so why? There's no way they can get an impact player for him without gutting the team, and 1 for 1 his salary wont get anyone worth it back

That's why the whole "2nd star" idea is **** stupid. It was fine in the offseason with CP3 as ballast, but now it will just be something damaging and pointless. If this team is going to go anywhere, it will be like the 03-04 Pistons where they add another really good role player and ride a deep team to relevancy. All I want is Schroder while keeping JK... it should be low risk asset-wise and potentially impactful roster-wise

who just dropped 34 on 18 shots btw

19 shots but still a great stat line considering he also had 11 assist

Wiggins for a superstar cause you'll need his salary to match and Brandom Ingram doesn't count. Chances of that happening are very low.

Kuminga if it brings us an upgrade and Ingram would count. The list of players I would move Kuminga for is longer, but not seeing a lot of attractive targets at this point.