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Our iso game could use some love.

cladden wrote:

Our iso game could use some love.

Ouch, that's some rough data. Passes the eye test that off screens and transition are the only things that are really working for them right now though. However, the "cut" type has some potential and yields the highest PPP, just the efficiency isn't great yet. That's something that should be Kuminga's domain but he's had mixed success with it. Sometimes he settles for 3s instead of actively hunting cuts, sometimes he does get to the rim successfully but blows the finish, sometimes he draws a foul but can't hit the free throws...not sure what's going on there but 75% for all last year to 58% is a huge drop-off.

HiRez wrote:

cladden wrote:

Our iso game could use some love.

Ouch, that's some rough data. Passes the eye test that off screens and transition are the only things that are really working for them right now though. However, the "cut" type has some potential and yields the highest PPP, just the efficiency isn't great yet. That's something that should be Kuminga's domain but he's had mixed success with it. Sometimes he settles for 3s instead of actively hunting cuts, sometimes he does get to the rim successfully but blows the finish, sometimes he draws a foul but can't hit the free throws...not sure what's going on there but 75% for all last year to 58% is a huge drop-off.

He's probably best on the team this season when it comes to NOT blowing the layup.

The FT stuff is crazy. It's the ultimate sample size error but, to start the season (5 games), he was 2/13 (15%) from 3 and 15/21 from the line (72%). Since, he's 26/74 from 3 (35%) and 38/70 (55%) from the line. It seems almost completely mental and I hope he doesn't start to avoid getting fouls/getting to the line.

I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

Pctl is our percentile in the league. Our offense is below league avg outside of off screens and transition.

Onus wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

Pctl is our percentile in the league. Our offense is below league avg outside of off screens and transition.

We're in transition almost 20% of the time and are barely in the top quartile? That's pretty impressive if 25% of the league spends more than 20% of the possessions in transition.

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

I looked into a few of these last week.

Iso

We don't do it and we're relatively bad at it. I think the league average was like .90 ppp. (Kat, trae).

Our best iso player this year is Wiggins at 0.9 ppp which is league average at 51st percentile.
Steph leads us in volume at 1.2 possessions, but is in the 32.8 percentile.
Our worst iso player is kuminga, who is in the 12th percentile.

Schroeder immediately vaults to number 1 on the team in possessions and ppp: 3.3 and 0.96.


Spot ups, we just stink. In volume, dray is 1st, jk is 2nd, Wiggins is 3rd.

Only wiggins (top 10) steph, melton, and waters are good at spot ups. Everyone else is average or worse.


Pick and rolls, we stink at those too. As the handler

In volume, steph is 1st, jk is 2nd, and wiggs 3rd. Only wiggins is above average (63rd percentile).

As the roll man, we are even worse.

We should actually be doing less cutting or clean it up. I'm just guessing here, but I think this us where alot of our turnovers happen. We make the 2nd most cuts per game, but cant score. Tjd is our best here.

vvoland wrote:

Onus wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

Pctl is our percentile in the league. Our offense is below league avg outside of off screens and transition.

We're in transition almost 20% of the time and are barely in the top quartile? That's pretty impressive if 25% of the league spends more than 20% of the possessions in transition.

It means we’re 8th in the league in transition opportunities. We know Houston and Okc are at the top of it without even looking it up. I’d imagine Memphis is as well. So find 4 more teams.

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

I looked into a few of these last week.

Iso

We don't do it and we're relatively bad at it. I think the league average was like .90 ppp. (Kat, trae).

Our best iso player this year is Wiggins at 0.9 ppp which is league average at 51st percentile.
Steph leads us in volume at 1.2 possessions, but is in the 32.8 percentile.
Our worst iso player is kuminga, who is in the 12th percentile.

Schroeder immediately vaults to number 1 on the team in possessions and ppp: 3.3 and 0.96.


Spot ups, we just stink. In volume, dray is 1st, jk is 2nd, Wiggins is 3rd.

Only wiggins (top 10) steph, melton, and waters are good at spot ups. Everyone else is average or worse.


Pick and rolls, we stink at those too. As the handler

In volume, steph is 1st, jk is 2nd, and wiggs 3rd. Only wiggins is above average (63rd percentile).

As the roll man, we are even worse.

We should actually be doing less cutting or clean it up. I'm just guessing here, but I think this us where alot of our turnovers happen. We make the 2nd most cuts per game, but cant score. Tjd is our best here.

Most of our offensive issues is due to spacing. We’re probably one of the worst spacing teams in the league playing 2 non shooters on the court at all times.

Onus wrote:Most of our offensive issues is due to spacing. We’re probably one of the worst spacing teams in the league playing 2 non shooters on the court at all times.

What? Draymond is a flamethrower.

Onus wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

Pctl is our percentile in the league. Our offense is below league avg outside of off screens and transition.

Thanks. That's a really weird way for them to have chosen to display that (why not just rank among the teams?), but once you clarify it, it makes this data much easier to digest. And it tells a very sad story heh We're only above average at two modes of scoring. At least we do attempt those quite often.

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:

Onus wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I guess this mostly tells me I don't know what typical numbers for a lot of this is. I'm not surprised the PPP in transition is higher than isolation, for example, but I don't know what the league average PPP is for iso, for example. I guess what you really don't want to see are things like:

* We're relatively bad at X, but we do it a lot.
* The league thrives on Y, but we stink at it.
* We're really good at Z, but we don't do it much.

Like it would be easy to say we should cut more just staring at that table, but you can't just choose to cut whenever you feel like it, and I don't know how our 9.7% stacks up; I don't know if it realistic to run more cuts.

Pctl is our percentile in the league. Our offense is below league avg outside of off screens and transition.

Thanks. That's a really weird way for them to have chosen to display that (why not just rank among the teams?), but once you clarify it, it makes this data much easier to digest. And it tells a very sad story heh We're only above average at two modes of scoring. At least we do attempt those quite often.

Championship DNA!

Steve saying we're going away from the Stotts offense of the first 5 games and we just need to run more and develop more pace. Get those transition points!