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I hate asking the question. I really do. But, when I look at the meager pickings to be had in free agency in 2025 and a salary structure that makes a meaningful upgrade via trade difficult at best, I can't help but think about the rebuild OKC kicked off when they traded Paul George for SGA. Any trade of Steph and Draymond would have to return not just future draft assets and expiring contracts but also a legitimate young future cornerstone player. Who, if anyone, could you see that guy being? Again, I hate asking the question.

It really would be the best thing this FO could do -- for everyone involved. Let Steph and Dray go play in meaningful games somewhere, get young players and tons of draft picks and build around Kuminga, TJD, Podz, & Moody. Maybe you could package them both together? They'd probably like that.

End of an era? It's already here, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

there is no "future cornerstone" out there right now like SGA back then. in fact, even SGA wasn't a "future cornerstone" back then, he was a very promising player, but there was no assurance he could become a MVP type of player. if there was that assurance, the clippers would have held on to him.
also, when OKC traded george to LAC, he was 30 years old. now, at no point in his career george has been the player steph is, still 6 years difference is big in a trade, even if you think steph can play at elite level for the next 2 years.
anything can happen in the league, but thinking to get X future asset + a legitimate future cornerstone for steph, as great as he is, is very improbable.

Because of the cap, I think it would be difficult.

I'm not sure dray would have much of a market and due to stephs contract, it might be difficult for contending teams to come up with a trade package.

Imo, our best assets that can move now is probably wiggins and podz.

superunknown wrote:there is no "future cornerstone" out there right now like SGA back then. in fact, even SGA wasn't a "future cornerstone" back then, he was a very promising player, but there was no assurance he could become a MVP type of player. if there was that assurance, the clippers would have held on to him.
also, when OKC traded george to LAC, he was 30 years old. now, at no point in his career george has been the player steph is, still 6 years difference is big in a trade, even if you think steph can play at elite level for the next 2 years.
anything can happen in the league, but thinking to get X future asset + a legitimate future cornerstone for steph, as great as he is, is very improbable.

You're right; probably going to get less for Steph that many might imagine. However, they should insist on heavy draft picks. Those are always valuable and can help you land a big fish down the road.

It's time to turn the page, though. At least the FO would be moving forward, in the same direction, instead of trying to still make the two time-line thing work, which it never has.

One can only dream what could have been had the Dubs landed the #1 overall pick in 2020. Surely they'd have drafted Edwards. That would have been the future cornerstone right there. Who am I kidding? The Dubs still probably would have drafted Wiseman.

Old_Blue wrote:One can only dream what could have been had the Dubs landed the #1 overall pick in 2020. Surely they'd have drafted Edwards. That would have been the future cornerstone right there. Who am I kidding? The Dubs still probably would have drafted Wiseman.

Wagner is the bigger miss because we actially had the chance to take him.

Romulus wrote:

superunknown wrote:there is no "future cornerstone" out there right now like SGA back then. in fact, even SGA wasn't a "future cornerstone" back then, he was a very promising player, but there was no assurance he could become a MVP type of player. if there was that assurance, the clippers would have held on to him.
also, when OKC traded george to LAC, he was 30 years old. now, at no point in his career george has been the player steph is, still 6 years difference is big in a trade, even if you think steph can play at elite level for the next 2 years.
anything can happen in the league, but thinking to get X future asset + a legitimate future cornerstone for steph, as great as he is, is very improbable.

You're right; probably going to get less for Steph that many might imagine. However, they should insist on heavy draft picks. Those are always valuable and can help you land a big fish down the road.

It's time to turn the page, though. At least the FO would be moving forward, in the same direction, instead of trying to still make the two time-line thing work, which it never has.

there hasn't been a two timeline any more since 2022, the whole two timeline crap was basically based on poole and wiseman, the #2 pick in the draft, being those guys to bridge the core 3 with the future. and also on the core 3 leaving all 3 some $$ on the table to make it possible stay competitive longer, because if poole and wiseman happened to be those guys, then they should've been paid big $$ (like JP actually did).
nothing of that happened. the punch derailed whatever trajectory poole could have with the franchise, and wiseman never pan out. and now they are supposed to stick to the two timeline crap with a #7 pick, a #15 pick, a #19 pick and a #57 overall pick being the "bridge" ? they are just lost in the process, they really don't know what to do, what direction to take. and how could they? the makers of the dynasty are no longer there. these dudes now have no vision, no intuition and no foresight.

The wiseman draft sucked crying about that is crazy when we the jk draft was stacked and we actually passed on impact players. Franz and trey Murphy were sitting right there for us to take and we passed on them. That’s what killed the 2 timelines.

Romulus wrote:It really would be the best thing this FO could do -- for everyone involved. Let Steph and Dray go play in meaningful games somewhere, get young players and tons of draft picks and build around Kuminga, TJD, Podz, & Moody. Maybe you could package them both together? They'd probably like that.

End of an era? It's already here, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

There’s no building around jk/tjd/podz or moody unless you want to be perennially bad. You tear it down to the studs and hope you get lucky in the draft that you find someone worth building around. But good luck with this front office.

Romulus wrote:

superunknown wrote:there is no "future cornerstone" out there right now like SGA back then. in fact, even SGA wasn't a "future cornerstone" back then, he was a very promising player, but there was no assurance he could become a MVP type of player. if there was that assurance, the clippers would have held on to him.
also, when OKC traded george to LAC, he was 30 years old. now, at no point in his career george has been the player steph is, still 6 years difference is big in a trade, even if you think steph can play at elite level for the next 2 years.
anything can happen in the league, but thinking to get X future asset + a legitimate future cornerstone for steph, as great as he is, is very improbable.

You're right; probably going to get less for Steph that many might imagine. However, they should insist on heavy draft picks. Those are always valuable and can help you land a big fish down the road.

It's time to turn the page, though. At least the FO would be moving forward, in the same direction, instead of trying to still make the two time-line thing work, which it never has.

Trade him to Denver for Jamal Murray and whatever they have left. Let curry win another one.

Onus wrote:

Romulus wrote:It really would be the best thing this FO could do -- for everyone involved. Let Steph and Dray go play in meaningful games somewhere, get young players and tons of draft picks and build around Kuminga, TJD, Podz, & Moody. Maybe you could package them both together? They'd probably like that.

End of an era? It's already here, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

There’s no building around jk/tjd/podz or moody unless you want to be perennially bad. You tear it down to the studs and hope you get lucky in the draft that you find someone worth building around. But good luck with this front office.

In last two seasons 24/25

Kuminga/Podz w/o Curry/Green 700min +8.57nrtg (Looney 254min, Davis 243min, Klay 240min, Moody 218, Paul 190min, Hield 181min, Wiggs 102min)
Curry/Green w/o Kuminga/Podz 848min +2.51nrtg

So dont tell me that these youngsters have no future.

It's a good question.

Green probably won't get you much. Lakers or another contender might give you something.

Steph on the other hand WOULD have gotten you a haul but with each passing day his value continues to decrease. It is what it is.

Obviously Steph to OKC is the way to go if your looking to trade him. Makes to much sense.

They are a team in the highest echelon competing for a championship RIGHT NOW. Steph can get out of purgatory, compete and put them over the top... and they can pay him 63M when he's almost 40. Perfect.

OKC are stacked and have no need for more rookies and have a plethora of picks to offer. Perfect.



Curry

for

Hartenstein, Dort, Dieng, Picks.

Then you can flip those 3 with our remaining vets for any picks you can get... and you have built up a decent war chest moving forward. Better than burning out with no future.

SpreeS wrote:

Onus wrote:

Romulus wrote:It really would be the best thing this FO could do -- for everyone involved. Let Steph and Dray go play in meaningful games somewhere, get young players and tons of draft picks and build around Kuminga, TJD, Podz, & Moody. Maybe you could package them both together? They'd probably like that.

End of an era? It's already here, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

There’s no building around jk/tjd/podz or moody unless you want to be perennially bad. You tear it down to the studs and hope you get lucky in the draft that you find someone worth building around. But good luck with this front office.

In last two seasons 24/25

Kuminga/Podz w/o Curry/Green 700min +8.57nrtg (Looney 254min, Davis 243min, Klay 240min, Moody 218, Paul 190min, Hield 181min, Wiggs 102min)
Curry/Green w/o Kuminga/Podz 848min +2.51nrtg

So dont tell me that these youngsters have no future.

future as what? as a key pieces of a contender? as a top dogs in a top 5 team in the league? they have none.

superunknown wrote:

SpreeS wrote:

Onus wrote:There’s no building around jk/tjd/podz or moody unless you want to be perennially bad. You tear it down to the studs and hope you get lucky in the draft that you find someone worth building around. But good luck with this front office.

In last two seasons 24/25

Kuminga/Podz w/o Curry/Green 700min +8.57nrtg (Looney 254min, Davis 243min, Klay 240min, Moody 218, Paul 190min, Hield 181min, Wiggs 102min)
Curry/Green w/o Kuminga/Podz 848min +2.51nrtg

So dont tell me that these youngsters have no future.

future as what? as a key pieces of a contender? as a top dogs in a top 5 team in the league? they have none.

What do you know? The grass is always greener elsewhere than own. Look at Boston forums 2y or 4y ago. Boom he is Finals MVP in this summer.

reddit 2y ago

Jaylen Brown has a career on/off of +0 per 100 in reg season. -2.7 in the playoffs. He’s so overrated. He made second team all nba this year. He wouldn’t make my fifth team all nba. He’s at absolute most a +2 player right now.

The Jaylen Brown minutes with Tatum off the floor have not been good offensively the last two years. The Tatum without brown minutes have been great. It’s really obvious why when you watch him.

He is the epitome of the most overrated archetype in the NBA:

high points per game, mediocre efficiency, low assists, high turnovers, low steals.

These types of players suck to have on your team. Why? They don’t improve their teammates shooting efficiency. You want your high usage ball handlers to increase their teammates shooting efficiency through finding open teammates. His turnover rate is too high relative to the value he creates for him to be much of a positive.

You see, Brown is talented enough to draw double teams but isn’t good enough to capitalize on them most times.

He’s a sloppy playmaker.

Think about it. Do you want to hand the keys to your offense to a sloppy playmaker who turns the ball over at a very high rate and can only average 3.5 assists per game? He takes like 23 shots a game, it’s insane to average 3.5 assists on a team with as much shooting and spacing as Boston.

He is a one on one player. He is not a great 5v5 player. His athleticism and one on one game commands respect on the team which is why he has the green light to shoot, but he doesn’t understand the game well enough and can’t dribble or pass in traffic at a high enough level to have an all star impact.

He’s an athlete playing basketball, not a basketball player. His shot selection is so bad too. How many contested 3s and pull up mid rangers does he take? He does not have an intelligent strategy to offense. He has no bag. He has blinders on and he’s desperate to score points because the public overrated points per game so much that half of Twitter actually thinks he’s comparable to Tatum. And hilariously enough, it going to get him paid.

He’s good at one thing, going to the rim. It’s because he can just tunnel on that goal and has the athleticism to shoot the gap. He doesn’t make advanced reads though. His one on one defense is also pretty good but team defense is far more important for impact in the NBA, and he’s not very good at that. I find it hilarious that Grant Williams had the 1v1 defensive job on Jimmy. This is what Jaylen Brown is supposed to be good at.

Players with high turnover rates do not scale well into the playoffs. Sloppy, one dimensional players get exploited by good defenses. Just build a wall for Jaylen and watch him settle for contested Jumperd.

He’s averaging 4.4 TOV per 100 in the playoffs. Even though he’s been lucky shooting these playoffs, his ancillary stats are so bad he’s actually not much value.

Boston should 100% trade him this off-season, and I will be betting a large amount on the under of whatever team he gets traded to.

Reddit 4y ago

He's also THE MOST FRUSTRATING PLAYER I'VE EVER SEEN IN A GREEN UNIFORM. Jaylen Brown cost us a chance at the finals last year. Full stop. Had it not been for his incessant ball watching habits, we'd have made short work of the Toronto Raptors in time to be fully rested and prepared for the ECF. Then during the actual ECF, his constant ball watching and lack of awareness to his man's position routinely doomed us.

2019 Brown at 22

RS on/off -3.7nrtg
PS on/off -16.3nrtg

DevinVassell wrote:It's a good question.

Green probably won't get you much. Lakers or another contender might give you something.

Steph on the other hand WOULD have gotten you a haul but with each passing day his value continues to decrease. It is what it is.

Obviously Steph to OKC is the way to go if your looking to trade him. Makes to much sense.

They are a team in the highest echelon competing for a championship RIGHT NOW. Steph can get out of purgatory, compete and put them over the top... and they can pay him 63M when he's almost 40. Perfect.

OKC are stacked and have no need for more rookies and have a plethora of picks to offer. Perfect.



Curry

for

Hartenstein, Dort, Dieng, Picks.

Then you can flip those 3 with our remaining vets for any picks you can get... and you have built up a decent war chest moving forward. Better than burning out with no future.

This is really a good post. And you're right, OKC would fit Steph perfectly, and I think he would really add something to that team. Belief. Getting easy shots for everyone on the floor. And yes, they have many draft picks to give up and some talent, too.

Personally, I hope it happens. We should all recognize that Curry can still be very good, but just not here, with this roster and coach. JK, TJD, and Podz along with some of OKC's talent and picks would be perfect for everyone.

Romulus wrote:

DevinVassell wrote:It's a good question.

Green probably won't get you much. Lakers or another contender might give you something.

Steph on the other hand WOULD have gotten you a haul but with each passing day his value continues to decrease. It is what it is.

Obviously Steph to OKC is the way to go if your looking to trade him. Makes to much sense.

They are a team in the highest echelon competing for a championship RIGHT NOW. Steph can get out of purgatory, compete and put them over the top... and they can pay him 63M when he's almost 40. Perfect.

OKC are stacked and have no need for more rookies and have a plethora of picks to offer. Perfect.



Curry

for

Hartenstein, Dort, Dieng, Picks.

Then you can flip those 3 with our remaining vets for any picks you can get... and you have built up a decent war chest moving forward. Better than burning out with no future.

This is really a good post. And you're right, OKC would fit Steph perfectly, and I think he would really add something to that team. Belief. Getting easy shots for everyone on the floor. And yes, they have many draft picks to give up and some talent, too.

Personally, I hope it happens. We should all recognize that Curry can still be very good, but just not here, with this roster and coach. JK, TJD, and Podz along with some of OKC's talent and picks would be perfect for everyone.

What about for Steph? This assumption that he wants to get traded to a better team may not be fully accurate. But who knows.

SpreeS wrote:

superunknown wrote:

SpreeS wrote:
In last two seasons 24/25

Kuminga/Podz w/o Curry/Green 700min +8.57nrtg (Looney 254min, Davis 243min, Klay 240min, Moody 218, Paul 190min, Hield 181min, Wiggs 102min)
Curry/Green w/o Kuminga/Podz 848min +2.51nrtg

So dont tell me that these youngsters have no future.

future as what? as a key pieces of a contender? as a top dogs in a top 5 team in the league? they have none.

What do you know? The grass is always greener elsewhere than own. Look at Boston forums 2y or 4y ago. Boom he is Finals MVP in this summer.

reddit 2y ago

Jaylen Brown has a career on/off of +0 per 100 in reg season. -2.7 in the playoffs. He’s so overrated. He made second team all nba this year. He wouldn’t make my fifth team all nba. He’s at absolute most a +2 player right now.

The Jaylen Brown minutes with Tatum off the floor have not been good offensively the last two years. The Tatum without brown minutes have been great. It’s really obvious why when you watch him.

He is the epitome of the most overrated archetype in the NBA:

high points per game, mediocre efficiency, low assists, high turnovers, low steals.

These types of players suck to have on your team. Why? They don’t improve their teammates shooting efficiency. You want your high usage ball handlers to increase their teammates shooting efficiency through finding open teammates. His turnover rate is too high relative to the value he creates for him to be much of a positive.

You see, Brown is talented enough to draw double teams but isn’t good enough to capitalize on them most times.

He’s a sloppy playmaker.

Think about it. Do you want to hand the keys to your offense to a sloppy playmaker who turns the ball over at a very high rate and can only average 3.5 assists per game? He takes like 23 shots a game, it’s insane to average 3.5 assists on a team with as much shooting and spacing as Boston.

He is a one on one player. He is not a great 5v5 player. His athleticism and one on one game commands respect on the team which is why he has the green light to shoot, but he doesn’t understand the game well enough and can’t dribble or pass in traffic at a high enough level to have an all star impact.

He’s an athlete playing basketball, not a basketball player. His shot selection is so bad too. How many contested 3s and pull up mid rangers does he take? He does not have an intelligent strategy to offense. He has no bag. He has blinders on and he’s desperate to score points because the public overrated points per game so much that half of Twitter actually thinks he’s comparable to Tatum. And hilariously enough, it going to get him paid.

He’s good at one thing, going to the rim. It’s because he can just tunnel on that goal and has the athleticism to shoot the gap. He doesn’t make advanced reads though. His one on one defense is also pretty good but team defense is far more important for impact in the NBA, and he’s not very good at that. I find it hilarious that Grant Williams had the 1v1 defensive job on Jimmy. This is what Jaylen Brown is supposed to be good at.

Players with high turnover rates do not scale well into the playoffs. Sloppy, one dimensional players get exploited by good defenses. Just build a wall for Jaylen and watch him settle for contested Jumperd.

He’s averaging 4.4 TOV per 100 in the playoffs. Even though he’s been lucky shooting these playoffs, his ancillary stats are so bad he’s actually not much value.

Boston should 100% trade him this off-season, and I will be betting a large amount on the under of whatever team he gets traded to.

Reddit 4y ago

He's also THE MOST FRUSTRATING PLAYER I'VE EVER SEEN IN A GREEN UNIFORM. Jaylen Brown cost us a chance at the finals last year. Full stop. Had it not been for his incessant ball watching habits, we'd have made short work of the Toronto Raptors in time to be fully rested and prepared for the ECF. Then during the actual ECF, his constant ball watching and lack of awareness to his man's position routinely doomed us.

2019 Brown at 22

RS on/off -3.7nrtg
PS on/off -16.3nrtg

Brown is still overrated and overpaid. He also got the easier matchups over Tatum.

So you're saying at best JK is an overrated no 2. So again you should not be building around that.

SpreeS wrote:

Onus wrote:

Romulus wrote:It really would be the best thing this FO could do -- for everyone involved. Let Steph and Dray go play in meaningful games somewhere, get young players and tons of draft picks and build around Kuminga, TJD, Podz, & Moody. Maybe you could package them both together? They'd probably like that.

End of an era? It's already here, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

There’s no building around jk/tjd/podz or moody unless you want to be perennially bad. You tear it down to the studs and hope you get lucky in the draft that you find someone worth building around. But good luck with this front office.

In last two seasons 24/25

Kuminga/Podz w/o Curry/Green 700min +8.57nrtg (Looney 254min, Davis 243min, Klay 240min, Moody 218, Paul 190min, Hield 181min, Wiggs 102min)
Curry/Green w/o Kuminga/Podz 848min +2.51nrtg

So dont tell me that these youngsters have no future.

it shows Kuminga/Podz are as good as anyone in the top 100-150 range.. if you consider them the future, sure.

Kuminga negative net rating this year at -3 on/off. Have you seen a future all star doing so bad in his 4th year?

DevinVassell wrote:It's a good question.

Green probably won't get you much. Lakers or another contender might give you something.

Steph on the other hand WOULD have gotten you a haul but with each passing day his value continues to decrease. It is what it is.

Obviously Steph to OKC is the way to go if your looking to trade him. Makes to much sense.

They are a team in the highest echelon competing for a championship RIGHT NOW. Steph can get out of purgatory, compete and put them over the top... and they can pay him 63M when he's almost 40. Perfect.

OKC are stacked and have no need for more rookies and have a plethora of picks to offer. Perfect.



Curry

for

Hartenstein, Dort, Dieng, Picks.

Then you can flip those 3 with our remaining vets for any picks you can get... and you have built up a decent war chest moving forward. Better than burning out with no future.

OKC isn’t going with a small Steph/SGA backcourt. Come on.

The teams that would take Steph probably between the CBA, salaries and available picks probably wouldn’t give much, and since Steph likely isn’t trying to anywhere anyway, there’s no point.

When Steph/Dray/Kerr ride off into the sunset in a couple years, the books will be clean with cap room and the Warriors should have all their picks. That’s the future.

Everything else, the current picks and all the players not named Steph/Dray, are fair game and should be used to improve the team. Just not trusting Dunleavy, because as of now, you could argue every move he’s made starting with the Poole/CP3 deal (after letting CP3 walk) has bombed