Warriors Have a Joe Lacob Problem

[Romulus]

And no, I don't need to tell you what it is. You already know.

[SpreeS]

The most valued team in NBA with big market. He will get another superstar in free agents market after Curry retirement. The best players value owners who would spent money if needed. Lacob is too smart to waste team future for 37y Curry.

This organisation gave Curry a lot - coach/the most expensive team for years/other stars and superstar/DPOY/max money at 37/39y

[ILOVEIT]

Yeah....uh...no. BTW, were you booing Joe over the Monta Ellis getting traded back in the day? lol
4 chips. Massive warchest and has spent more money on this team than 90% of the league.

Joe ain't the problem. Ultimately it's a talent league and until Dunleavy makes this a championship level team talent wise, it's all on him. EVERY lineup combination with this squad is going to have issues.

[whatisacenter]

[RUN-TJM]

Anyone who thinks ownership is a problem either has a short memory or only started following the Warriors in the last 10-15 years.
Cohen made Golden State a laughing stock. A historically bad laughing stock.

[Zvaart]

Lol

[GSWFan1994]

"What can you do for me this week, Joe? What you did the last 10 years wasn't enough."

[superunknown]

from another thread:

I'll always have an appreciation and ton of respect for Lacob for how he single-handedly changed the course of this franchise by buying the team. You're not gonna always hit home runs, but at least - unlike the previous owner - I know that Lacob's intentions are in the right place... doing whatever it takes to WIN.

Single handedly is a wild take. Joe gets credit for spending money. But he also gets blame for this 2 timeline mess that we’re in. Joe will most likely be the next reinsdorf. Great with Steph and then irrelevant once Steph is gone just like mj.

It did take big balls to trade the confusingly popular Monta Ellis for an injured center.. he's not done well for the 2nd timeline, which is not post-Steph, but post-peak-Steph. But the 1st timeline, be it him or Kerr or Myers or whoever people want to credit? Was done nearly flawlessly. Created an expectation of them knowing exactly what they are doing. But the reality is that they're probably above average, which is still good, but not the lightyears chest-thumping stuff they claimed. Keep in mind - someone, I think it was Kerr, said the Wiseman pick was partially made because they thought the window was closed. That admission really stuck with me... they didnt even know they had a contender a few years ago

This is the most frustrating part about this franchise. They gave up on Steph twice. I really don’t think they know what they have. They’re constantly downplaying Steph from the owner to the coach. And when he overcomes them they go right back to giving up on him.

this is it right here. This has always been the case. reminds me of Klank calling KD the best player in the world
only one who knew what Stephs real value was is Iggy. And he’s said more than once the entire org ain’t ****
everything is Steph and always has been. we are in for a brutal post Steph era

lacob has defintely been a great owner since he bought the franchise. under his tenure the warriors has become the most-valued team in NBA with a big market, a model for other franchises, a dynasty like only few others in the history of the NBA.
he came in with a vision, with the courage to make bold decisions, with the willingness to keep competing no matter the cost, with the humility to surround himself with the right people for the job and to keep the right people in key roles to succeed. for a long time he hasn't spared $$ to keep "feeding" the contender the dubs have been, and he deserves credit for that, not every owner do that, just look at what happened in DEN or MIN just to stick to recent examples. it's all remarkable and it's all true. like it's also true he has been lucky enough to have a generational player like steph handy all this time.

but in recent years? what about the vision? what about the (bold) decision-making? what about the model of a franchise? what about the humility? what about surrounding himself with the right people and hire/keep the best people in key roles to succeed? what about the willingness to keep competing no matter the cost?
as somebody stated, he created an expectation of them knowing exactly what they were doing, embedded in that (in)famous "light years ahead" statement of his.
has this ownership been able to follow-up on that? have they been "light years ahead?"
hasn't this ownership made one of his son executive vice president of basketball operations with an apparently increased role in front office operations ?
hasn't this ownership, together with the FO, basically minimized, almost "coddling" a player sucker-punching a teammate?
hasn't this ownership given up or al least given the impression to downplay the greatest player in franchise history twice in recent years?

one thing does not rule out the other.
lacob is a great owner, maybe one of the best out there, who has been praised - rightfully so - for what he's done in the past and today can be fairly criticized for his actions in more recent years. not weeks, years.
this thread is not as preposterous as some makes it sound.

[Jester_]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

[Onus]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

we should all know why Lacob overvalues his draft picks. He wants to be able to win without Curry probably more than winning another one with Curry, which is why he's been hesitant to include his drafted rookies and future draft picks. He wants to be able to prove that it's him the owner/front office that wins titles and not just the players. This is exactly what Reinsdorf and Krause were saying in Chicago. Like Iguodala said, Joe thinks it's him and not Curry that won those titles. Joe thinks he's going to be able to win again without Curry. And Iguodala was like we're going to have to see in 6 years. So if Joe is going to win in 6 years without curry he needs those rookies and draft picks.

[Jester_]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

we should all know why Lacob overvalues his draft picks. He wants to be able to win without Curry probably more than winning another one with Curry, which is why he's been hesitant to include his drafted rookies and future draft picks. He wants to be able to prove that it's him the owner/front office that wins titles and not just the players. This is exactly what Reinsdorf and Krause were saying in Chicago. Like Iguodala said, Joe thinks it's him and not Curry that won those titles. Joe thinks he's going to be able to win again without Curry. And Iguodala was like we're going to have to see in 6 years. So if Joe is going to win in 6 years without curry he needs those rookies and draft picks.

yep. joe lightyear hates hearing "lucky you got steph curry" at his billionaire cocktail parties

[Senchu]

Joe has 20years of credit for spending on 4 chips before we have a Joe Lacob problem

[superunknown]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

but I agree on that. it's like in football, a franchise is usually as good as its franchise QB, not as its ownership.
for years the patriots has been the benchmark, because of TB12 and belichik. not because of the kraft family. infact, what have they done after brady left?
now are the chiefs, chiefs that before andy reid and the advent of mahomes weren't precisely pointed-out by the rest of the league as a model of a franchise.
the steelers? since big ben has faded out they haven't been that good.
so yes, as good as lacob has been as owner, it's mainly curry like it was jordan for the bulls and duncan for the spurs (now maybe wembanyama, but again it wasn't and it won't be mainly because of the holt family).

[SpreeChokeJob]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

The difference between Lacob and Cohan
1. Lacob assembled a great front office early on. Cohan relied on Rowell.
2. Lacob made great business decisions (SF arena) which allowed him to spend. Cohan penny pinched.
3. Lacob is visible during games and passionate about winning. Cohan was nowhere to be seen and hated the team and only cared about the income statement which he relied on Rowell for.

The only thing he can be faulted for is nepotism over meritocracy during a critical time of the Warriors transition period. He shrank the front office and during critical drafts he probably contributed the most to the decision making. I’m personally not enamored with Kerr and I don’t think he should have been extended in favor of hiring Kenny A, but I don’t know the backroom information. Kenny A may have already secured an offer with the Cavs which led to the Kerr extension. Realistically he may have been extended because of the big three.

[Jester_]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

The difference between Lacob and Cohan
1. Lacob assembled a great front office early on. Cohan relied on Rowell.
2. Lacob made great business decisions (SF arena) which allowed him to spend. Cohan penny pinched.
3. Lacob is visible during games and passionate about winning. Cohan was nowhere to be seen and hated the team and only cared about the income statement which he relied on Rowell for.

The only thing he can be faulted for is nepotism over meritocracy during a critical time of the Warriors transition period. He shrank the front office and during critical drafts he probably contributed the most to the decision making. I’m personally not enamored with Kerr and I don’t think he should have been extended in favor of hiring Kenny A, but I don’t know the backroom information. Kenny A may have already secured an offer with the Cavs which led to the Kerr extension. Realistically he may have been extended because of the big three.

lacob has done several good things

1. recruit jerry west
2. spend
3. draymond green

these are great things. however he's also gotten incredibly lucky and had a lot of big screwups.

which is why he is an average owner. just like bob myers was an average gm. and kerr is an average coach

just because a gm is better than rowell or an owner is better than cohan or a coach is better than jackson doesn't mean they're top tier.

if we didn't have steph curry none of these people would be considered top tier. you think Kerr is considered a HoF coach without steph curry? gimme a break.

[floppymoose]

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/SPECIAL-REPORT-The-man-who-owns-the-Warriors-2874504.php

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/The-Trouble-Is-at-the-Top-Owner-Chris-Cohan-has-3328446.php

https://bayarea.sbnation.com/2010/7/16/1572438/chris-cohans-epithet-he-will-not-be-missed

https://vault.si.com/vault/2002/11/04/barstool-brawl-walk-into-any-sports-bar-in-america-and-youll-find-your-typical-everyday-sports-fans-ready-to-argue-about-the-most-overratedand-underratedpeople-places-and-things-in-sports-these-will-get-you-going

When Chris Cohan sued his partners to gain sole ownership of the
Golden State Warriors eight years ago, it was a sign of things to
come. Not only did Cohan turn a popular, 50-win team into a
nationally ridiculed loser, but he also managed to add new
meaning to the term full-court press. The long list of parties
dragged into civil courtrooms by Cohan the Contrarian during his
reign of error includes his stockbroker, life insurance agent and
primary attorney. All were longtime friends; one was the best man
in Cohan's wedding, another a groomsman. Cohan's good at getting
sued, too, thanks to a penchant for failing to pay his bills.
When he's not stiffing his landlord, the Oakland-Alameda County
Coliseum Authority, this feckless recluse presides over a team of
stiffs; since Cohan took over in '94, the Warriors (tied with
Bulls for worst team in the NBA at 21-61 in 2001-02) have never
finished better than sixth in the seven-team Pacific Division.
The Warriors hired their eighth coach in Cohan's eight seasons in
July. Yo, Chris, here's a better idea: Fire yourself. Got a
problem with that? Sue me. --Michael Silver

[DonaldSanders]

Joe has been absolutely fantastic as an owner. He's had some flaws, and yes I think it's clear he has over-estimated his contribution to the dynasty compared to Steph/players... but this guy was blowing TONS of cash to try to get us a chip recently. Lighting money on fire. Very few owners are willing to do stuff like that, look at MIN giving up on Towns after making the WCF to save money.

Joe saved us from the Cohen era, we would have screwed up the dynasty with him for sure. I do think things might be even rougher than they are now for awhile post-Steph when he learns just how hard the NBA really is without a top 10 all time player. But ultimately Joe wants to win, and I don't think he will ever be as bad as Reinsdorf who is *only* about the business side. Joe likes winning. So I get the Krause/Reinsdorf comparisons in that Joe wants to prove he is factor, but he's never turning us into a treadmill cash cow.

If we ever are in a spot again where we need spending to keep our title chances intact, this guy will do it.

[SpreeChokeJob]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

The difference between Lacob and Cohan
1. Lacob assembled a great front office early on. Cohan relied on Rowell.
2. Lacob made great business decisions (SF arena) which allowed him to spend. Cohan penny pinched.
3. Lacob is visible during games and passionate about winning. Cohan was nowhere to be seen and hated the team and only cared about the income statement which he relied on Rowell for.

The only thing he can be faulted for is nepotism over meritocracy during a critical time of the Warriors transition period. He shrank the front office and during critical drafts he probably contributed the most to the decision making. I’m personally not enamored with Kerr and I don’t think he should have been extended in favor of hiring Kenny A, but I don’t know the backroom information. Kenny A may have already secured an offer with the Cavs which led to the Kerr extension. Realistically he may have been extended because of the big three.

lacob has done several good things

1. recruit jerry west
2. spend
3. draymond green

these are great things. however he's also gotten incredibly lucky and had a lot of big screwups.

which is why he is an average owner. just like bob myers was an average gm. and kerr is an average coach

just because a gm is better than rowell or an owner is better than cohan or a coach is better than jackson doesn't mean they're top tier.

if we didn't have steph curry none of these people would be considered top tier. you think Kerr is considered a HoF coach without steph curry? gimme a break.

Lacob is the least of Warriors fans problems. I want to be a billionaire too, but sometimes fans should be thankful for what they have. People forget how terrible Cohan is to even associate Lacob with him is a bad joke.

There aren’t many Curry’s in several lifetimes, so I don’t know what’s the point in bringing him up. He’s an anomaly in the Matrix. They struck the once in a lifetime lottery and benefited from it, so what? Sometimes it pays to be lucky. If Lacob results goes back to the norm, well that’s life.

All things considered, Lacob has been a positive. He botched the transition by not relying on consultants. This team is not going back to the beautiful front office that made no mistakes and a young Curry that never missed. Fans have to reset their expectations. I’m sure this team after rebuild five years from now will at least be fighting for the playoffs.

[cpower]

95% of our success is because

1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal

lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess

if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s

you nailed it, maybe lacob is an alien otherwise i am not sure how he would be so lucky time after time...its like winning lottery 3 times in one's life.

[B-King]

I appreciate Lacob's wallet. If he just didn't always have that smug ass look saying I am better than you, I might be able to forgive him for pissing off the rest of the league with the Light Years ahead statement.

Will never forgive him for not retaining the Logo. It seemed like he got very petty over the credit West was getting.