Warriors Have a Joe Lacob Problem
Posted: Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:32 am
And no, I don't need to tell you what it is. You already know.
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Onus wrote:Jax_23 wrote: I'll always have an appreciation and ton of respect for Lacob for how he single-handedly changed the course of this franchise by buying the team. You're not gonna always hit home runs, but at least - unlike the previous owner - I know that Lacob's intentions are in the right place... doing whatever it takes to WIN.
Single handedly is a wild take. Joe gets credit for spending money. But he also gets blame for this 2 timeline mess that we’re in. Joe will most likely be the next reinsdorf. Great with Steph and then irrelevant once Steph is gone just like mj.
CDM_Stats wrote:It did take big balls to trade the confusingly popular Monta Ellis for an injured center.. he's not done well for the 2nd timeline, which is not post-Steph, but post-peak-Steph. But the 1st timeline, be it him or Kerr or Myers or whoever people want to credit? Was done nearly flawlessly. Created an expectation of them knowing exactly what they are doing. But the reality is that they're probably above average, which is still good, but not the lightyears chest-thumping stuff they claimed. Keep in mind - someone, I think it was Kerr, said the Wiseman pick was partially made because they thought the window was closed. That admission really stuck with me... they didnt even know they had a contender a few years ago
Onus wrote:This is the most frustrating part about this franchise. They gave up on Steph twice. I really don’t think they know what they have. They’re constantly downplaying Steph from the owner to the coach. And when he overcomes them they go right back to giving up on him.
Jester_ wrote:this is it right here. This has always been the case. reminds me of Klank calling KD the best player in the world
only one who knew what Stephs real value was is Iggy. And he’s said more than once the entire org ain’t ****
everything is Steph and always has been. we are in for a brutal post Steph era
Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s
Onus wrote:Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s
we should all know why Lacob overvalues his draft picks. He wants to be able to win without Curry probably more than winning another one with Curry, which is why he's been hesitant to include his drafted rookies and future draft picks. He wants to be able to prove that it's him the owner/front office that wins titles and not just the players. This is exactly what Reinsdorf and Krause were saying in Chicago. Like Iguodala said, Joe thinks it's him and not Curry that won those titles. Joe thinks he's going to be able to win again without Curry. And Iguodala was like we're going to have to see in 6 years. So if Joe is going to win in 6 years without curry he needs those rookies and draft picks.
Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s
Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s
SpreeChokeJob wrote:Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s
The difference between Lacob and Cohan
1. Lacob assembled a great front office early on. Cohan relied on Rowell.
2. Lacob made great business decisions (SF arena) which allowed him to spend. Cohan penny pinched.
3. Lacob is visible during games and passionate about winning. Cohan was nowhere to be seen and hated the team and only cared about the income statement which he relied on Rowell for.
The only thing he can be faulted for is nepotism over meritocracy during a critical time of the Warriors transition period. He shrank the front office and during critical drafts he probably contributed the most to the decision making. I’m personally not enamored with Kerr and I don’t think he should have been extended in favor of hiring Kenny A, but I don’t know the backroom information. Kenny A may have already secured an offer with the Cavs which led to the Kerr extension. Realistically he may have been extended because of the big three.
When Chris Cohan sued his partners to gain sole ownership of the
Golden State Warriors eight years ago, it was a sign of things to
come. Not only did Cohan turn a popular, 50-win team into a
nationally ridiculed loser, but he also managed to add new
meaning to the term full-court press. The long list of parties
dragged into civil courtrooms by Cohan the Contrarian during his
reign of error includes his stockbroker, life insurance agent and
primary attorney. All were longtime friends; one was the best man
in Cohan's wedding, another a groomsman. Cohan's good at getting
sued, too, thanks to a penchant for failing to pay his bills.
When he's not stiffing his landlord, the Oakland-Alameda County
Coliseum Authority, this feckless recluse presides over a team of
stiffs; since Cohan took over in '94, the Warriors (tied with
Bulls for worst team in the NBA at 21-61 in 2001-02) have never
finished better than sixth in the seven-team Pacific Division.
The Warriors hired their eighth coach in Cohan's eight seasons in
July. Yo, Chris, here's a better idea: Fire yourself. Got a
problem with that? Sue me. --Michael Silver
Jester_ wrote:SpreeChokeJob wrote:Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s
The difference between Lacob and Cohan
1. Lacob assembled a great front office early on. Cohan relied on Rowell.
2. Lacob made great business decisions (SF arena) which allowed him to spend. Cohan penny pinched.
3. Lacob is visible during games and passionate about winning. Cohan was nowhere to be seen and hated the team and only cared about the income statement which he relied on Rowell for.
The only thing he can be faulted for is nepotism over meritocracy during a critical time of the Warriors transition period. He shrank the front office and during critical drafts he probably contributed the most to the decision making. I’m personally not enamored with Kerr and I don’t think he should have been extended in favor of hiring Kenny A, but I don’t know the backroom information. Kenny A may have already secured an offer with the Cavs which led to the Kerr extension. Realistically he may have been extended because of the big three.
lacob has done several good things
1. recruit jerry west
2. spend
3. draymond green
these are great things. however he's also gotten incredibly lucky and had a lot of big screwups.
which is why he is an average owner. just like bob myers was an average gm. and kerr is an average coach
just because a gm is better than rowell or an owner is better than cohan or a coach is better than jackson doesn't mean they're top tier.
if we didn't have steph curry none of these people would be considered top tier. you think Kerr is considered a HoF coach without steph curry? gimme a break.
Jester_ wrote:95% of our success is because
1. drafting steph curry
2. steph curry getting injured (thus lacob not being able to trade him to milwaukee and getting him on an all time cheap contract)
3. 2016 tv deal
lacob had little to nothing to do with any of this. he's happy spending money which is good. he's also a basketball dumbass and overly involved (as we've seen given his love affair with podz and kumbucket) which is why we're in our current mess
if it weren't for steph curry what's the difference between lacob and cohen, exactly? y'all are like the people who gassed reinsdorf in the 90s