Steph Curry speaks on the two-timeline disaster

[Jester_]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43313004/steph-curry-golden-state-warriors-career-nba-playoffs-hopes

"This team has the potential to be a championship team, but we're not there yet," Steve Kerr said. "We're competitive every night, and we feel confident in our ability to be competitive every night. Now, whether we can do that for four rounds in the playoffs remains to be seen."

"I think the postmortem on some of the two-timeline stuff is not great," Curry said. "We picked Wiseman, who's had a rough go. It's not his fault, but we had an opportunity when we were at the bottom of the standings and had the No. 2 pick, and picked Wise. We thought there was going to be a way to bridge that gap, and it didn't work out that way. But to hear the way people talk about the 2022 championship is still fascinating to me. Because the 'surprise championship'" -- here his hands provide the sarcastic air quotes -- "was a crowning achievement based on that team we had and what we'd been through since the '19 Finals.

"So, 'Did they do enough?' That's not for me to answer, but this is a collaboration, and I just want to win, and they know that. Until it's all said and done, we want to have at least one more (title) to speak for. And that's it. That's what's left for me. That's all of it. I still love to hoop, but I love to win even more. So if we don't get it done, maybe when it's all said and done, I'll be able to answer that question better. Right now, we're still trying to figure it out."

By far the most critical I've heard him be yet about the FO and their stupidity

it's crazy what an all-time great disaster the Wiseman pick turned out to be. possibly the single worst decision by any FO In the 21st century?

[ILOVEIT]

Honestly, any team that's won a chip in the last three years (2022) can't be considered a disaster by any means. Warriors lost in the second round last year. They sucked a couple of years prior to 2022 after nightmare injuries to Klay and Durant's leaving. After recovering they won a chip, followed by slightly below average year, second round of playoffs then this year.

Disaster if me watching Warriors miss the playoffs 10 years straight! (but the tickets were so damn cheap!!!!)

[HiRez]

He's trying to be diplomatic like he always is, but you can definitely hear the frustration.

Their worst regular season record in all their championship seasons was 53-29 (.646). Right now they're on pace to be 42-40 (.512), and they lost both of the play-ins they've been in. It's not looking good.

[Jester_]

Honestly, any team that's won a chip in the last three years (2022) can't be considered a disaster by any means. Warriors lost in the second round last year. They sucked a couple of years prior to 2022 after nightmare injuries to Klay and Durant's leaving. After recovering they won a chip, followed by slightly below average year, second round of playoffs then this year.

Disaster if me watching Warriors miss the playoffs 10 years straight! (but the tickets were so damn cheap!!!!)

The fact that Steph Curry delivered a miracle championship doesn't mean the FO hasn't been a disaster

If you have Michael **** Jordan on your team in his prime it's a disaster if you win 1 championship in 6 years

[whatisacenter]

[WarriorGM]

Actually Steph has prevented the two timelines idea from being a total disaster by winning in 2022. That earlier timeline was the harder part of the two timelines scenario and Steph held up his end of the deal. With the two timelines properly implemented it should be easier now to win because presumably the young guys that the team gambled on should now be producing enough to get the team over the line. The problem is they haven't stepped up enough or maybe they are still just a bit too young and the team didn't time the ages correctly. Not having someone like Ty Jerome on the team for example who is now 27 sure looks like a missed opportunity.

It's one reason I was willing to give Jordan Bell and Damian Jones more opportunities. Bell and Jones I think fit the timeline better. TJD may be too young.

The situation can still be salvaged but it really requires Kuminga and Moody to reach another level while Steph is still in his prime.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Wiseman was most likely a Lacob pick. He’s a swing for the fences gambler. In hindsight he was wrong. The only thing that could have prevented this disaster is if he wasn’t the de facto voice. He should have paid some consultants with actual talent to review the draft candidates. Lacob’s ego may have gotten too big at this point. Even the candidates from Wiseman’s draft year hasn’t risen to a superstar of Curry KD LeBron’s caliber and probably won’t either. His whole goal is getting the next superstar. First they don’t grow on trees, secondly the front office as currently is doesn’t have the ability to spot them despite their delusions of greatness.

The next issue is Kerr is not the guy to develop young players even if he got a superstar as a rookie. He’s a system coach. Players either fall into that system or they ride the bench or become a bench player. None of the top players in Wiseman’s year besides Haliburton would have fit with Kerr’s system. If you’re a rookie player, you’re going to be a role player next to Curry in Kerr’s system or eventually you will play from the bench like JK does in his own little more free role. JK is developing into a serviceable player, but it’s taken him a longer time because when you play with Curry you are essentially a role player and that’s not where young players need to be when they are discovering their game. Maybe in a finished product like Halliburton it would have been okay.

But I don’t think Lacob will stop swinging for that home run. Next time, set aside the ego and hire someone who knows what they are doing. I’m sure Lacob was a pretty great rec player in his the day, but I wouldn’t put his bball analysis skills above West, Nellie, or Donnie Walsh who have proven experience turning around teams.

[Onus]

Ngl I know people hate on Kerr for not developing young players but he actually did really well developing Poole, looney and maybe jk.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The organization lost faith in steph.

Their reluctance to go all in on a trade is because they are concerned about the post steph years and not the current steph timeline.

They banked on 3 lottery picks that haven't planned out to be that torch bearer. In hindsight, poole likely would have extended stephs timeline. Poole was a flawed player, but he'd be alot closer to helping than jk, moody, podz, or tjd.

They won't trade steph, dray, jk, and podz. And any trade with Wiggins is essentially a salary dump because they won't get a better player at his salary point.

So, we are where we are now. Trying to improve the roster along the margins without sacrificing the post steph years (whatever they think it looks like).

Only real option left is for Kerr to figure it out.

[SpreeS]

Ngl I know people hate on Kerr for not developing young players but he actually did really well developing Poole, looney and maybe jk.

Kuminga? Really? Kerr prioritised GLeaguers over him. Guy capable to put 20pts in every game were sitting on the bench second year in a row. Looney is 20min role player. What kind of development is that?

[superunknown]

Ngl I know people hate on Kerr for not developing young players but he actually did really well developing Poole, looney and maybe jk.

Kuminga? Really? Kerr prioritised GLeaguers over him. Guy capable to put 20pts in every game were sitting on the bench second year in a row. Looney is 20min role player. What kind of development is that?

20 points a game like TJD tonight?
have you ever stopped for a second and think about that points, stats, scoreboards alone might not mean anything significant without the context?

[SpreeS]

Ngl I know people hate on Kerr for not developing young players but he actually did really well developing Poole, looney and maybe jk.

Kuminga? Really? Kerr prioritised GLeaguers over him. Guy capable to put 20pts in every game were sitting on the bench second year in a row. Looney is 20min role player. What kind of development is that?

20 points a game like TJD tonight?
have you ever stopped for a second and think about that points, stats, scoreboards alone might not mean anything significant without the context?

Look at 4 games w/o Kuminga. There are no pressure in the paint at all. CHI is the last team with 18.8 FTA and GSW averaged 12.8 FTA…Spo kicked Kerr ass knowing that and well defended perimeter. This is way Davis had 20pts game. Kuminga would change landscape dramatically for this team.

[DB23]

The strategy wasn’t necessarily bad, if we had melo, franz and sengun around Steph and dray right now we’d be awesome to watch.

Execution by the front office sadly has been dismal.

[Jester_]

The strategy wasn’t necessarily bad, if we had melo, franz and sengun around Steph and dray right now we’d be awesome to watch.

Execution by the front office sadly has been dismal.

Two timelines is never a bad strategy on paper, it's just impossible to execute

Unfortunately our FO thought they were lightyears ahead of everybody because of Joe's large ego and tiny basketball iq

[EvanZ]

There's a science fiction book called The Dark Light Years about a race of aliens that like to wallow in their own ****. Take from that what you will.

[Onus]

Ngl I know people hate on Kerr for not developing young players but he actually did really well developing Poole, looney and maybe jk.

Kuminga? Really? Kerr prioritised GLeaguers over him. Guy capable to put 20pts in every game were sitting on the bench second year in a row. Looney is 20min role player. What kind of development is that?

Looney was the 30th pick. He’s been in the league almost 10 years. That’s a win.

Jk yes Kerr played g leaguers over him but that’s the only thing you can do is say get better, focus on the things we want you to focus on and you’ll get playing time. Yes it’s been a slow process but development can take a long time with raw prospects that want to be something else. Because once he gets that new contract he’s playing as many minutes as he can. To say jk has not gotten better over the last 4 seasons would be a lie.

[EvanZ]

Wait now we're criticizing Kevon Looney? Lol

[DB23]

Ngl I know people hate on Kerr for not developing young players but he actually did really well developing Poole, looney and maybe jk.

Kuminga? Really? Kerr prioritised GLeaguers over him. Guy capable to put 20pts in every game were sitting on the bench second year in a row. Looney is 20min role player. What kind of development is that?

Looney was the 30th pick. He’s been in the league almost 10 years. That’s a win.

Jk yes Kerr played g leaguers over him but that’s the only thing you can do is say get better, focus on the things we want you to focus on and you’ll get playing time. Yes it’s been a slow process but development can take a long time with raw prospects that want to be something else. Because once he gets that new contract he’s playing as many minutes as he can. To say jk has not gotten better over the last 4 seasons would be a lie.

Is kuminga really any good? We see flashes from time to time but to me something is really missing in his game and that’s a talent/feel thing.

If he goes onto greatness then fair play but I certainly wouldn’t want to pay him next year.

[BayAreaDub]

Nothing wrong with two timelines if they would’ve committed one way or another once it was clear it didn’t work

[Onus]

Kuminga? Really? Kerr prioritised GLeaguers over him. Guy capable to put 20pts in every game were sitting on the bench second year in a row. Looney is 20min role player. What kind of development is that?

Looney was the 30th pick. He’s been in the league almost 10 years. That’s a win.

Jk yes Kerr played g leaguers over him but that’s the only thing you can do is say get better, focus on the things we want you to focus on and you’ll get playing time. Yes it’s been a slow process but development can take a long time with raw prospects that want to be something else. Because once he gets that new contract he’s playing as many minutes as he can. To say jk has not gotten better over the last 4 seasons would be a lie.

Is kuminga really any good? We see flashes from time to time but to me something is really missing in his game and that’s a talent/feel thing.

If he goes onto greatness then fair play but I certainly wouldn’t want to pay him next year.

I'm not saying he's good or not. His last 5 games he's been a lot better. I'm just saying he's developed and improved under Kerr.

I've probably been one of the more vocal trade jk, not into jk, should've drafted franz posters, but he's without a doubt been improving every season. The last 5 games he was playing much better basketball. The issue with JK is that he's still not a creator or at least a very limited creator. He's a fantastic finisher. But creation is so much more valuable than finishing. This team obviously needs finishing as well since no one else on the team can really do it other than TJD.