Is it time to tank?

Jester_ · Post #1 » by **Jester_** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:47 pm

I believe the best move for this team now is to tank the rest of the season

shut down Steph and Dray. let Kuminga stat pad and inflate his value. land a top 10 pick

then in the summer use that pick and Kuminga to try and pry a superstar away from someone else. kuminga, top 10 pick in a stacked draft is worth just about anyone outside of the top 5 players

and then if we can't land anyone, **** it, blow it up, trade steph, use Moody and our pick to move up in the lottery, get Cooper Flagg, begin anew.

this is the smartest thing we can do at this stage prove me wrong. FO doesn't have the balls to pull this off though.

Jester_ · Post #2 » by **Jester_** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:51 pm

phoenix currently has a 20% chance at a top 4 pick FYI

whatisacenter · Post #3 » by **whatisacenter** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:03 pm

A couple of problems with your plan.

1. Kuminga is injured and may not return before the trade deadline. He is then a RFA and would require a S&T.

2. Who would want Moody?

They are doing a good job of tanking with Steph and Draymond playing.

Onus · Post #4 » by **Onus** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:46 pm

We don’t have the assets to trade for cooper Flagg. That’s like saying trade for wemby.

Old_Blue · Post #5 » by **Old_Blue** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:56 pm

Precisely the panicked over-reaction I would expect from Jester. :lol:

Watch on YouTube

Jester_ · Post #6 » by **Jester_** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:56 am

Old_Blue wrote:Precisely the panicked over-reaction I would expect from Jester.

Watch on YouTube

Not sure how it's an overreaction? it's basically what we're already doing just unintentionally

do you have a better plan besides "start Buddy Hield"

Jester_ · Post #7 » by **Jester_** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:57 am

Onus wrote:We don’t have the assets to trade for cooper Flagg. That’s like saying trade for wemby.

I mean it doesn't have to be Cooper, the draft is stacked, anyone in the top 4 could be franchise altering

the Suns have a 20% chance of adding one of Flagg/Ace/Tre/Dylan. why is treadmilling to get knocked outta the play-ins a better idea?

whatisacenter · Post #8 » by **whatisacenter** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:00 pm

Jester_ wrote:
Onus wrote:We don’t have the assets to trade for cooper Flagg. That’s like saying trade for wemby.

I mean it doesn't have to be Cooper, the draft is stacked, anyone in the top 4 could be franchise altering

the Suns have a 20% chance of adding one of Flagg/Ace/Tre/Dylan. why is treadmilling to get knocked outta the play-ins a better idea?

lol, the Suns have traded away all their picks and the Rockets own their unprotected FRP this year!

Jester_ · Post #9 » by **Jester_** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:34 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Onus wrote:We don’t have the assets to trade for cooper Flagg. That’s like saying trade for wemby.

I mean it doesn't have to be Cooper, the draft is stacked, anyone in the top 4 could be franchise altering

the Suns have a 20% chance of adding one of Flagg/Ace/Tre/Dylan. why is treadmilling to get knocked outta the play-ins a better idea?

lol, the Suns have traded away all their picks and the Rockets own their unprotected FRP this year!

You're right I realized that this morning... but doesn't change my point

wco81 · Post #10 » by **wco81** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:20 pm

Suns' pick is #11 currently and they have a 2.5% chance of getting the #1 pick and 11.7% chance of a top 4 pick.

Warriors are #12, with 1% and 4.8% for the #1 and the top 4 pick.

HiRez · Post #11 » by **HiRez** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:26 pm

They could do a hell of a tank without the 12-3 start. Acquire Zion and Herb Jones, they'll probably be on the shelf much of the time anyway for this season, and even if not injured Zion could be rested frequently, no one would question it. Meanwhile get to work on tearing down and rebuilding Zion's whole conditioning routine.

DAWill1128 · Post #12 » by **DAWill1128** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:07 pm

Jester_ wrote:I believe the best move for this team now is to tank the rest of the season

shut down Steph and Dray. let Kuminga stat pad and inflate his value. land a top 10 pick

then in the summer use that pick and Kuminga to try and pry a superstar away from someone else. kuminga, top 10 pick in a stacked draft is worth just about anyone outside of the top 5 players

and then if we can't land anyone, **** it, blow it up, trade steph, use Moody and our pick to move up in the lottery, get Cooper Flagg, begin anew.

this is the smartest thing we can do at this stage prove me wrong. FO doesn't have the balls to pull this off though.

Lets see what they can get done going into the deadline, I am doubtful. But after that they should completely shelf the vets to bottom out for that pick. Kuminga is an odd fit with Dray and Wiggins on the roster so a sign and trade with him and the pick(s) is probably our only option to be good with Steph on the team.

I always thought they should've lined up the vets contracts namely Steph, Klay, and Dray and cleared the decks once they knew it was over. Start with a fresh book.

Alternate idea is they move off the vets right now. That includes trading Kuminga, his agent already wanted more than 120 million over four years and Kuminga is not worth that. Trade the vets for whatever stockpile of picks they can get, and focus on clearing the books for the 2026 offseason. Tank hard in 2025 and give young guys all the minutes they can handle to develop. In the 2026 offseason go big fish hunting as an in demand destination similar to what the LeBron Heat did or Orlando did when they tried to get Duncan, T-Mac, and Hill around 2000. Try to convince Fox and Doncic to team up on the premise that Irving is on the downswing age wise and the Kings have topped out. Convince Wiggins to stick around as the 3rd fiddle guy at small forward and try to build out the frontcourt via the draft picks we got this 2025 deadline.

If they only get one big fish in 2026 thats fine, try to get the next guy in 2027. If they whiff completely on 2026 thats fine, we will tank another year, develop young guys, and take a swing in 2027.

I think they have a better shot selling the destination of the Warriors as a franchise to big fish to keep Lacob happy than the reality of what a slow daunting task it is to build a contender entirely from the draft.

ILOVEIT · Post #13 » by **ILOVEIT** » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:53 am

Tanking now to get a rookie while Curry is on the team makes zero sense.

Warriors need to make a move or move Curry or it's just sitting at "mid team" category for the next three years.

Jester_ · Post #14 » by **Jester_** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:52 pm

Warriors currently have a 15% chance a top 4 pick

wco81 · Post #15 » by **wco81** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:18 pm

13.9% according to tankathon.

Next rung up gets them slightly over 20%.

tal57 · Post #16 » by **tal57** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:28 pm

Tanking has to result into something. It is a combination of skillful drafting, development and luck of the quantity of talent in the draft. Warriors had a chance to pull off SA by circumstantially winding up with 3 lotto picks. SA got Dunken, then extended the run by lucking into Leonard at #15 and the rest is history. Warriors wound up with second pick in the worst draft possible, then compound it by throwing the pick away. The following draft Cleveland picks Mobley at #3. When SA pics Leonard at 15, Warriors pick Moddy at 14, who is obviously no Leonard. Then totally botch his handling on top of that because of the coach's old philosophy kowtowing to his Stars. If they tank, they'll stockpile pics on the bench, sitting right next to Moody for the next 3 years. Then they'll realize they still have nothing. Is that what we want?

HiRez · Post #17 » by **HiRez** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:12 pm

All I'm hearing here is they're screwed no matter what they do. Sounds about right. It all comes down to does Steph want to stay here and end his career in mediocrity. Maybe it's slightly better or slightly worse than that, but it amounts to the same thing. Get that figured out first and then either do a full rebuild, getting some assets for anyone/everyone on the team, or make the move for probably Zion. I don't see any other reasonable options out there because waiting a couple more years for a more favorable environment is no longer one of them.

EvanZ · Post #18 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:13 pm

The thing is if the Warriors could just be bad enough to get Jeremiah Fears...could be the next baby face of the franchise. I have him going top 3, but the rest of the world seems to think he'll go more like 8-10.

TB · Post #19 » by TB » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:53 pm

EvanZ wrote:The thing is if the Warriors could just be bad enough to get Jeremiah Fears...could be the next baby face of the franchise. I have him going top 3, but the rest of the world seems to think he'll go more like 8-10.

Sayonara4Jeremiah

CurrentTearsForFutureFears

still workshopping the tanking tagline but Fears is the player I want (outside of getting a ping pong ball picked or fears going top 4 which he might).

His handle and passing (and even finishing at times) reminds me of Steph. Obviously not talking about the god level shooting, off-ball work, and intangibles... but just the aesthetic of his play gives off some elements of Steph.. some Beal... some Kyrie... some Monta... super fun player to watch.

RUN-TJM · Post #20 » by **RUN-TJM** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:49 pm

Play Moody more. We’ll never get off his deal if we don’t play him in the hope that’ll he’ll justify the contract. Can we trade him for Ben Simmons? He’s be fun to watch at the 5 in non Dray minutes.
Admit the mistake with Schroeder. Package him out for a 2nd.

Or go for Zion. I still think he’ll be cheap.

There is no need to tank, we are awful and will finish in the lottery.