Serious question for you guys, why is Draymond still here?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

[NeoWarriors]

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[whatisacenter]

Stockholm Syndrome

[Old_Blue]

We'll give you an initial pass - since you're a Heat fan visiting here. Draymond, for all of his warts, is an essential player for the Dubs. He's the team's point forward and anchor on defense. The team has never relied on him to score. Instead, he is called upon to do all the other little things that don't show up in the box score but that contribute to winning. Draymond's versatility as a player altered the way the game is played today nearly as much as did Steph's 3 point shooting. After Draymond's emergence, the League went scrambling looking for a similar player. For a while, Ben Simmons appeared to be that guy. And then he wasn't. As for Draymond's temper, it goes with the territory. He runs hot. He's being asked to do a lot and expects the same from his teammates.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

We'll give you an initial pass - since you're a Heat fan visiting here. Draymond, for all of his warts, is an essential player for the Dubs. He's the team's point forward and anchor on defense. The team has never relied on him to score. Instead, he is called upon to do all the other little things that don't show up in the box score but that contribute to winning. Draymond's versatility as a player altered the way the game is played today nearly as much as did Steph's 3 point shooting. After Draymond's emergence, the League went scrambling looking for a similar player. For a while, Ben Simmons appeared to be that guy. And then he wasn't. As for Draymond's temper, it goes with the territory. He runs hot. He's being asked to do a lot and expects the same from his teammates.

Okay, thank you for the courtesy. Yes, I am a HEAT fan and I am being genuine.

I understand he does all of those things, what old school basketball guys would call "garbage man" duties. But he has cost you guys a lot

If he gets into it with Jimmy too...

[Old_Blue]

We'll give you an initial pass - since you're a Heat fan visiting here. Draymond, for all of his warts, is an essential player for the Dubs. He's the team's point forward and anchor on defense. The team has never relied on him to score. Instead, he is called upon to do all the other little things that don't show up in the box score but that contribute to winning. Draymond's versatility as a player altered the way the game is played today nearly as much as did Steph's 3 point shooting. After Draymond's emergence, the League went scrambling looking for a similar player. For a while, Ben Simmons appeared to be that guy. And then he wasn't. As for Draymond's temper, it goes with the territory. He runs hot. He's being asked to do a lot and expects the same from his teammates.

Okay, thank you for the courtesy. Yes, I am a HEAT fan and I am being genuine.

I understand he does all of those things, what old school basketball guys would call "garbage man" duties. But he has cost you guys a lot

If he gets into it with Jimmy too...

You're again missing the point. Draymond isn't just a "garbage man." When he's on the court, the offense runs through him. This is because Steph isn't a natural point guard and also gets easily trapped when double teamed. Running the offense through Draymond frees Steph to be what he really is - a shooting guard. This is again why the championship teams were so lethal. Between Steph, Klay and later KD, the team basically had two and later three shooting guards on the court at any one time. However, none of them could do what Draymond can do - consistently hit the open man. And, all the while, Draymond was also creating chaos on defense. That's not a "garbage man." Basketball people are going to be analyzing Draymond's game for decades after he retires.

[floppymoose]

I dont know why people think Jimmy and Dray wont get along. Teammates Dray didnt get along with:
Poole
KD

end of list.

Jimmy is exactly the kind of guy Dray loves.

Dray is a great example of how being hated warps perception. When you are hated, flaws that you dont actually have are projected on you.

[NW]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

Because a lot of this is wrong. The “ran KD out of town” being chief among them. KD had one foot out the door. That is what led to the blow up with Draymond, not the other way around. Draymond was ticked that KD was moody and ready to leave and he let him know about it. As a Heat fan, I’d get prepared for this as you seem the next likely KD landing spot. Incredible player, but only wants things on his terms now.

The Poole situation was unfortunate, but similar to the KD thing, Poole had a shaky attitude as well. Got paid and thought he was now the #2 guy behind Steph and could do what he wanted. Like KD, Dray’s job is to be the bad guy and say the things that need saying that class guys like Steph and Igudola don’t. With Poole, he took it too far. But Poole’s start in DC showed the attitude he was displaying his last days in GS. Luckily, he seems to have grown from it. Some extended time in NBA Siberia will do that.

As a Heat fan, you should know Dray and Jimmy are alike is they don’t butt heads with Alphas on the court. They butt heads with Betas. Jimmy and Dray are both Alphas. They won’t beef. They’ll hunt Betas together

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

Because a lot of this is wrong. The “ran KD out of town” being chief among them. KD had one foot out the door. That is what led to the blow up with Draymond, not the other way around. Draymond was ticked that KD was moody and ready to leave and he let him know about it. As a Heat fan, I’d get prepared for this as you seem the next likely KD landing spot. Incredible player, but only wants things on his terms now.

The Poole situation was unfortunate, but similar to the KD thing, Poole had a shaky attitude as well. Got paid and thought he was now the #2 guy behind Steph and could do what he wanted. Like KD, Dray’s job is to be the bad guy and say the things that need saying that class guys like Steph and Igudola don’t. With Poole, he took it too far. But Poole’s start in DC showed the attitude he was displaying his last days in GS. Luckily, he seems to have grown from it. Some extended time in NBA Siberia will do that.

As a Heat fan, you should know Dray and Jimmy are alike is they don’t butt heads with Alphas on the court. They butt heads with Betas. Jimmy and Dray are both Alphas. They won’t beef. They’ll hunt Betas together

I'm going off of KD's own words though

Watch on YouTube

[NW]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

Because a lot of this is wrong. The “ran KD out of town” being chief among them. KD had one foot out the door. That is what led to the blow up with Draymond, not the other way around. Draymond was ticked that KD was moody and ready to leave and he let him know about it. As a Heat fan, I’d get prepared for this as you seem the next likely KD landing spot. Incredible player, but only wants things on his terms now.

The Poole situation was unfortunate, but similar to the KD thing, Poole had a shaky attitude as well. Got paid and thought he was now the #2 guy behind Steph and could do what he wanted. Like KD, Dray’s job is to be the bad guy and say the things that need saying that class guys like Steph and Igudola don’t. With Poole, he took it too far. But Poole’s start in DC showed the attitude he was displaying his last days in GS. Luckily, he seems to have grown from it. Some extended time in NBA Siberia will do that.

As a Heat fan, you should know Dray and Jimmy are alike is they don’t butt heads with Alphas on the court. They butt heads with Betas. Jimmy and Dray are both Alphas. They won’t beef. They’ll hunt Betas together

I'm going off of KD's own words though

Watch on YouTube

Nowhere in there did he put it on Draymond. He literally said it wasn’t the argument, but how the FO handled it. (BS imo, but I digress). The fact they did this podcast crapping on the FO so neither of them could take the blame shows those two are fine.

Everything KD has done since leaving GS has been for one purpose - show he can win a title on his terms. He won two playing under how GS does it.

Like I said, you Heat fans are probably going to learn first hand soon. My advice? Tell Riley and Spolstra not to play the whole “we’re in charge/Heat Culture” card. Won’t end well

[floppymoose]

KD is an amazing player but is notorious for getting up in his feelings… be it with his team, his org, or his social media.

He is someone who doesn't perceive events the same way that others do, and it affects his relationships.

[Old_Blue]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

Isn't your real question "Why the hell is Jimmy Butler NOT still on the Heat? In answer to that, who knows? All we know as Dubs fans is that your loss is our gain. In exchange, in Wiggins, you are getting a player that Coach Kerr has described as "a beautiful soul." Presumably, that counts for something.

[WarriorGM]

Some of the people here wonder the same thing.

Easiest answer is that he's a proven winner and defensive anchor and part of the team's history of success. You don't let go of such players easily and they tend to stick around if they aren't pushing to leave.

[Zvaart]

I agree with the guys here, KD was leaving regardless of the Dray incident and the FO handled it. He wanted his own team and to play with his buddy Kyrie, i thik i read reports fhat they were plnjng to do so a year or two before he actually left.

He stayed that last year for a chance to threepeat.

And i still believe his suspension in the finals was a mistake.

[ILOVEIT]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

Because a lot of this is wrong. The “ran KD out of town” being chief among them. KD had one foot out the door. That is what led to the blow up with Draymond, not the other way around. Draymond was ticked that KD was moody and ready to leave and he let him know about it. As a Heat fan, I’d get prepared for this as you seem the next likely KD landing spot. Incredible player, but only wants things on his terms now.

The Poole situation was unfortunate, but similar to the KD thing, Poole had a shaky attitude as well. Got paid and thought he was now the #2 guy behind Steph and could do what he wanted. Like KD, Dray’s job is to be the bad guy and say the things that need saying that class guys like Steph and Igudola don’t. With Poole, he took it too far. But Poole’s start in DC showed the attitude he was displaying his last days in GS. Luckily, he seems to have grown from it. Some extended time in NBA Siberia will do that.

As a Heat fan, you should know Dray and Jimmy are alike is they don’t butt heads with Alphas on the court. They butt heads with Betas. Jimmy and Dray are both Alphas. They won’t beef. They’ll hunt Betas together

I'm going off of KD's own words though

Watch on YouTube

IMO, he shouldn't be. Trying to act like Draymond didn't affect Kd, Poole AND Wiggins (after the punch) is BS. Players don't forget it when they are embarrassed in public by either being screamed at on the bench by a younger cat or being punched in the face in front of teammates, scene by social media.

Draymond, in my opinion, is just as likely to strike out against Jimmy if he's embarrassed by lack of his own ability to play or scolded for doing something irrational.

On the court, he's barely acceptable offensively and the offense works off him BECAUSE he does nothing else. He's undersized and aging and Warriors, think of this, are forced to play a rookie Post to make up for Draymond offensively.

Draymond's BEEN great in the past. He's no longer that. His current play no longer gives him the green light to get suspended (last season), Punch players, previous, etc.

My DREAM is that Draymond and Kuminga (plus picks) are shipped out this summer for either Durant or Giannis (preferably Giannis). Durant said he didn't want to be here but was WITH Draymond on the team and NO Butler.

[NW]

Because a lot of this is wrong. The “ran KD out of town” being chief among them. KD had one foot out the door. That is what led to the blow up with Draymond, not the other way around. Draymond was ticked that KD was moody and ready to leave and he let him know about it. As a Heat fan, I’d get prepared for this as you seem the next likely KD landing spot. Incredible player, but only wants things on his terms now.

The Poole situation was unfortunate, but similar to the KD thing, Poole had a shaky attitude as well. Got paid and thought he was now the #2 guy behind Steph and could do what he wanted. Like KD, Dray’s job is to be the bad guy and say the things that need saying that class guys like Steph and Igudola don’t. With Poole, he took it too far. But Poole’s start in DC showed the attitude he was displaying his last days in GS. Luckily, he seems to have grown from it. Some extended time in NBA Siberia will do that.

As a Heat fan, you should know Dray and Jimmy are alike is they don’t butt heads with Alphas on the court. They butt heads with Betas. Jimmy and Dray are both Alphas. They won’t beef. They’ll hunt Betas together

I'm going off of KD's own words though

Watch on YouTube

IMO, he shouldn't be. Trying to act like Draymond didn't affect Kd, Poole AND Wiggins (after the punch) is BS. Players don't forget it when they are embarrassed in public by either being screamed at on the bench by a younger cat or being punched in the face in front of teammates, scene by social media.

Draymond, in my opinion, is just as likely to strike out against Jimmy if he's embarrassed by lack of his own ability to play or scolded for doing something irrational.

On the court, he's barely acceptable offensively and the offense works off him BECAUSE he does nothing else. He's undersized and aging and Warriors, think of this, are forced to play a rookie Post to make up for Draymond offensively.

Draymond's BEEN great in the past. He's no longer that. His current play no longer gives him the green light to get suspended (last season), Punch players, previous, etc.

My DREAM is that Draymond and Kuminga (plus picks) are shipped out this summer for either Durant or Giannis (preferably Giannis). Durant said he didn't want to be here but was WITH Draymond on the team and NO Butler.

Again. Durant did podcasts with Draymond. Literally said the argument had nothing to do with him leaving. He was already gone. Don’t let the facts get in the way here.

The punch sucked, but it was just the exclamation point on what was happening-Poole thought he was the guy when he wasn’t. There were fractures even before the punch. People forget the passive aggressive stuff between him and Klay on the Japan trip cause Poole thought he should be starting. He thought he was the number two guy, and found out he wasn’t. Especially after Draymond wasn’t punished for the punch. That problem was there punch or not. They weren’t handing Poole that spot yet regardless.

And where did Wiggins come into this. The guy loved playing in GS and didn’t want to be traded- ever. Draymond must not have been too much a problem for him.

They also don’t play a rookie post cause of Draymond’s offense, they play it cause the SF and SG options can’t shoot-unlike practically every other team in the league

[vvoland]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

Because dray has, consistently, turned a team of *mostly subpar defenders into a top 3 defense for the better part of a decade. Despite the media narrative, the single best unit on this team, especially when they won, was the defense, not the offense. Dray did all of the heavy lifting and typically only had one or two guys who were above average defenders on the entire roster.

[michaelm]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

- the 2016 Finals............ Yes I agree Lebron instigated it and it should not have been on Draymond, but Draymond did himself no favors with his bad reputation and amount of suspensions which led up to it.

- Running KD out of town. If I were Warriors Front office, I would have immediately sat down with KD and said, "KD, thanks for coming to this dinner meeting. I want to tell you that I have made the decision to trade Draymond Green. If you want him to stay and you think we can get past this, let me know. Otherwise, just tell me you don't want to be involved in these talks." ........ then I would have immediately gone back to the office, made phone calls, and shipped Draymond out. KD would have never left.

- Punching Poole... again.. how is Draymond still in a Warriors uniform.

- ... which led to trading Poole instead of Draymond.... ya'll traded Poole + 2 picks + some guys for CP3, which you then waived 1 year later. Poole has continued to ball and would have helped Steph so much.


- IF now Draymond also gets into it with Jimmy... when is enough?

- Draymond's defense and passing is not irreplaceable. He's not Rodman. Draymond is 34. When Rodman was 34, he was AVERAGING 14.9 rebounds a night with the Bulls in 1996. Draymond is averaging 5.9 rpg. Rodman never ever ran teammates out of town or cost his team wins. His antics always benefited his team, while Draymond has been an anchor, at crucial times, for Steph and the Warriors.

I would say Steph has been SADDLED by Draymond more than helped, because of all these issues. Steph is an all time GOAT, he deserved better

Because a lot of this is wrong. The “ran KD out of town” being chief among them. KD had one foot out the door. That is what led to the blow up with Draymond, not the other way around. Draymond was ticked that KD was moody and ready to leave and he let him know about it. As a Heat fan, I’d get prepared for this as you seem the next likely KD landing spot. Incredible player, but only wants things on his terms now.

The Poole situation was unfortunate, but similar to the KD thing, Poole had a shaky attitude as well. Got paid and thought he was now the #2 guy behind Steph and could do what he wanted. Like KD, Dray’s job is to be the bad guy and say the things that need saying that class guys like Steph and Igudola don’t. With Poole, he took it too far. But Poole’s start in DC showed the attitude he was displaying his last days in GS. Luckily, he seems to have grown from it. Some extended time in NBA Siberia will do that.

As a Heat fan, you should know Dray and Jimmy are alike is they don’t butt heads with Alphas on the court. They butt heads with Betas. Jimmy and Dray are both Alphas. They won’t beef. They’ll hunt Betas together

I'm going off of KD's own words though

Watch on YouTube

I am sure Draymond didn’t help, but it was mainly due to him taking too much notice of teenage nous on social media. Green’s next contract was also up in the air until KD decided what he was doing which he hadn’t yet conveyed, although as was said I suspect he had already decided to leave.

[Twinkie defense]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

Because he is a top three player for Warriors and Steph wants him there? Not that complicated.

“He win? I win? That’s the fit. Winners win,” Green said. “He’s a winner. Perennial All-Star. Tough as nails. Just f—ing get the job done however it needs to be done.”

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Serious question. Heat fan here. All this talk of Jimmy and Draymond possibly becoming a problem because of their personalities... it made me wonder....

Why the hell is Draymond still on the Warriors?

Isn't your real question "Why the hell is Jimmy Butler NOT still on the Heat? In answer to that, who knows? All we know as Dubs fans is that your loss is our gain. In exchange, in Wiggins, you are getting a player that Coach Kerr has described as "a beautiful soul." Presumably, that counts for something.

Ah, yes. Well, it sucks we lost our franchise player at a discount, but Jimmy being Jimmy, I am happy with what we got. Considering.

The reason he's not here is because Jimmy takes too many games off in the regular season, half effort, sometimes so he can go party and whatever. And while he was doing this, he wanted Pat Riley to extend him at 60+ mil/year for 2 more years. Pat Riley does not like that at all. You have to be available and put in max effort in the regular season too.

Jimmy being Jimmy, realizing Pat is not going to extend him at that price tag + age + his lack of availability and effort...... Jimmy then throws his tantrum and brings out the flamethrower. At that point, there's nothing Miami can do but get rid of him like he wants.

Which, honestly, is one reason I prefer the NFL system of player contracts. The NBA guaranteed contract situation is enabling this sort of behavior and it's not a good look.