If Derrick White is Available, Warriors Need to Pull the Trigger

[Romulus]

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OK, maybe this isn't so far-fetched after all. Seeing it a lot on social media. This guy actually proposes the trade:

Warriors:
Derrick White

Celtics:
Podz
Moody
Buddy
1st round pick

Remember, you have to give up something to get something. Yes, this is a lot. And Kerr would probably throw a fit giving up Podz in the deal. But think about what it would mean to have White on this team. Think about a White & Curry starting backcourt. White's defense is elite. He's a very good shooter and even creator on offense. And he seems to play better when the games mean more. He's also a relatively young 30 years old.

That move alone makes the Warriors much better. Imagine also signing someone like Brook Lopez. Yes, he's old and slow. But he has size, can guard the paint, get rebounds, and SHOOT.

Your starting lineup:

Lopez
Butler
Green
White
Curry

And you still have JK and what to do with him. Who knows how that would go? Regardless, this is where I'd start -- trying to pry Derrick White away from the Celtics. If you manage that, everything else becomes much easier.

[DonaldSanders]

Derrick White is one of the last assets Boston will trade. Ignore clickbait youtube stuff, it's not happening.

Porzingis and Holiday will be available.

[Romulus]

Derrick White is one of the last assets Boston will trade. Ignore clickbait youtube stuff, it's not happening.

Porzingis and Holiday will be available.

Holiday next to Curry would also be a huge upgrade for the Warriors.

[Crazy-Canuck]

We have 3 guys taking up 140M of the cap. Now add the complication of any jk deal.

I dont think any big trade is coming our way. We care extremely limited in what we can do some also being able to field the minimum roster spots.

[Onus]

We’ll get the broken down version of white in melton.

[Romulus]

We’ll get the broken down version of white in melton.

Melton, while talented, is one of the most injury prone players in the NBA.

I get that this FO has a long history of doing as little as possible, but all we're hearing right now is that they plan to be very aggressive in retooling this roster. You can say they might not have a lot of salary to add (I believe they can add an additional 25 million to the payroll) but they can also TRADE players on their roster. Surely everyone not named Curry should be available if that means improving the team (including Jimmy for the right deal).

We'll see. I understand the skepticism. But if ever the time to get a Derrick White, Cam Johnson, Kevin Durant, Jrue Holiday (or even Giannis), well, that time is NOW. And finally, finally, get a real center and let Draymond play his natural position.

[Onus]

We’ll get the broken down version of white in melton.

Melton, while talented, is one of the most injury prone players in the NBA.

I get that this FO has a long history of doing as little as possible, but all we're hearing right now is that they plan to be very aggressive in retooling this roster. You can say they might not have a lot of salary to add (I believe they can add an additional 25 million to the payroll) but they can also TRADE players on their roster. Surely everyone not named Curry should be available if that means improving the the team (including Jimmy for the right deal).

We'll see. I understand the skepticism. But if ever the time to get a Derrick White, Cam Johnson, Kevin Durant, Jrue Holiday (or even Giannis), well, that time is NOW. And finally, finally, get a real center and let Draymond play his natural position.

Cam doesn’t really fit if we’re not playing dray at center. He can’t play the 2 or be the poa defender.

Is kd better than jimmy? Seems negligible at best. Jrue is an ancient defender who teams leave open. Giannis is only coming here if he says only the warriors. White is the best option but the most id give up is a 1st but it would also most likely have to include useable players to get him at which point we don’t really have the depth to get him. They’ll probably want more than one 1st anyway and I’d expect there to be a market for him.

[Romulus]

We’ll get the broken down version of white in melton.

Melton, while talented, is one of the most injury prone players in the NBA.

I get that this FO has a long history of doing as little as possible, but all we're hearing right now is that they plan to be very aggressive in retooling this roster. You can say they might not have a lot of salary to add (I believe they can add an additional 25 million to the payroll) but they can also TRADE players on their roster. Surely everyone not named Curry should be available if that means improving the the team (including Jimmy for the right deal).

We'll see. I understand the skepticism. But if ever the time to get a Derrick White, Cam Johnson, Kevin Durant, Jrue Holiday (or even Giannis), well, that time is NOW. And finally, finally, get a real center and let Draymond play his natural position.

Cam doesn’t really fit if we’re not playing dray at center. He can’t play the 2 or be the poa defender.

Is kd better than jimmy? Seems negligible at best. Jrue is an ancient defender who teams leave open. Giannis is only coming here if he says only the warriors. White is the best option but the most id give up is a 1st but it would also most likely have to include useable players to get him at which point we don’t really have the depth to get him. They’ll probably want more than one 1st anyway and I’d expect there to be a market for him.

So if you're the GM, you're doing nothing?

[Onus]

Melton, while talented, is one of the most injury prone players in the NBA.

I get that this FO has a long history of doing as little as possible, but all we're hearing right now is that they plan to be very aggressive in retooling this roster. You can say they might not have a lot of salary to add (I believe they can add an additional 25 million to the payroll) but they can also TRADE players on their roster. Surely everyone not named Curry should be available if that means improving the the team (including Jimmy for the right deal).

We'll see. I understand the skepticism. But if ever the time to get a Derrick White, Cam Johnson, Kevin Durant, Jrue Holiday (or even Giannis), well, that time is NOW. And finally, finally, get a real center and let Draymond play his natural position.

Cam doesn’t really fit if we’re not playing dray at center. He can’t play the 2 or be the poa defender.

Is kd better than jimmy? Seems negligible at best. Jrue is an ancient defender who teams leave open. Giannis is only coming here if he says only the warriors. White is the best option but the most id give up is a 1st but it would also most likely have to include useable players to get him at which point we don’t really have the depth to get him. They’ll probably want more than one 1st anyway and I’d expect there to be a market for him.

So if you're the GM, you're doing nothing?

I like the idea of trading it all for JJJ. MM + Buddy + TJD + 4 1sts and 4 swaps. Sign Malik Beasley and DSJ. Draft Byrd at 41. S&T JK for Coby White. Let Knox and Key fill in the rest.

Curry/DSJ
Podz/White/Melton
Jimmy/Beasley/Byrd
Dray/Santos/Knox
JJJ/Post/Key

JJJ gives us a big who can rim protect and stretch the floor allowing jimmy and dray to play together and can give us shot creation. White gives us more shooting and some shot creation. Beasley replaces Buddy. DSJ replaces GP2 as our poa defender.

I also like the idea of S&T JK for 19+26 and drafting Sorber or Yaxel at 19 and Clayton or Pettiford at 26, Byrd at 41. Sign Steven Adams and DSJ

Curry/Clayton/DSJ
Podz/buddy/Melton
Jimmy/MM/Byrd
Dray/Santos
Post/Adams/Sorber/TJD

That's still a 9 deep (depending on MM and Post) roster without even accounting for what the rookies can bring in. Adams gives us a big and will make us the #1 offensive rebounding team can give us some rim protection when Dray sits. DSJ is our poa defender and replaces GP. Clayton in theory gives us another shooter/shot creator. Sorber hopefully gives us a 2way big somewhere down the line.

Add Melton to both of these scenarios as a just in case he can stay healthy option but I don't want to have to rely on him.

1st scenario is obviously better to contend next year but if we don't win we're screwed. 2nd scenario allows us to straddle the 2 time lines with better fitting young players and keeping all of our future draft picks. These are probably the best 2 options I've thought of so far.

[vvoland]

Cam doesn’t really fit if we’re not playing dray at center. He can’t play the 2 or be the poa defender.

Is kd better than jimmy? Seems negligible at best. Jrue is an ancient defender who teams leave open. Giannis is only coming here if he says only the warriors. White is the best option but the most id give up is a 1st but it would also most likely have to include useable players to get him at which point we don’t really have the depth to get him. They’ll probably want more than one 1st anyway and I’d expect there to be a market for him.

So if you're the GM, you're doing nothing?

I like the idea of trading it all for JJJ. MM + Buddy + TJD + 4 1sts and 4 swaps. Sign Malik Beasley and DSJ. Draft Byrd at 41. S&T JK for Coby White. Let Knox and Key fill in the rest.

Curry/DSJ
Podz/White/Melton
Jimmy/Beasley/Byrd
Dray/Santos/Knox
JJJ/Post/Key

JJJ gives us a big who can rim protect and stretch the floor allowing jimmy and dray to play together and can give us shot creation. White gives us more shooting and some shot creation. Beasley replaces Buddy. DSJ replaces GP2 as our poa defender.

I also like the idea of S&T JK for 19+26 and drafting Sorber or Yaxel at 19 and Clayton or Pettiford at 26, Byrd at 41. Sign Steven Adams and DSJ

Curry/Clayton/DSJ
Podz/buddy/Melton
Jimmy/MM/Byrd
Dray/Santos
Post/Adams/Sorber/TJD

That's still a 9 deep (depending on MM and Post) roster without even accounting for what the rookies can bring in. Adams gives us a big and will make us the #1 offensive rebounding team can give us some rim protection when Dray sits. DSJ is our poa defender and replaces GP. Clayton in theory gives us another shooter/shot creator. Sorber hopefully gives us a 2way big somewhere down the line.

Add Melton to both of these scenarios as a just in case he can stay healthy option but I don't want to have to rely on him.

1st scenario is obviously better to contend next year but if we don't win we're screwed. 2nd scenario allows us to straddle the 2 time lines with better fitting young players and keeping all of our future draft picks. These are probably the best 2 options I've thought of so far.

Two quick points.

1. If we're getting JJJ, jk should be on the roster instead of cobi. I think jk will fit like a glove next to JJJ and I think his value would increase significantly.

2. I don't think JJJ will cost all the picks. If Memphis decides to rebuild, Jackson will have suitors, but he's on a one year deal, and I don't think the price will be 4 firsts

[Onus]

So if you're the GM, you're doing nothing?

I like the idea of trading it all for JJJ. MM + Buddy + TJD + 4 1sts and 4 swaps. Sign Malik Beasley and DSJ. Draft Byrd at 41. S&T JK for Coby White. Let Knox and Key fill in the rest.

Curry/DSJ
Podz/White/Melton
Jimmy/Beasley/Byrd
Dray/Santos/Knox
JJJ/Post/Key

JJJ gives us a big who can rim protect and stretch the floor allowing jimmy and dray to play together and can give us shot creation. White gives us more shooting and some shot creation. Beasley replaces Buddy. DSJ replaces GP2 as our poa defender.

I also like the idea of S&T JK for 19+26 and drafting Sorber or Yaxel at 19 and Clayton or Pettiford at 26, Byrd at 41. Sign Steven Adams and DSJ

Curry/Clayton/DSJ
Podz/buddy/Melton
Jimmy/MM/Byrd
Dray/Santos
Post/Adams/Sorber/TJD

That's still a 9 deep (depending on MM and Post) roster without even accounting for what the rookies can bring in. Adams gives us a big and will make us the #1 offensive rebounding team can give us some rim protection when Dray sits. DSJ is our poa defender and replaces GP. Clayton in theory gives us another shooter/shot creator. Sorber hopefully gives us a 2way big somewhere down the line.

Add Melton to both of these scenarios as a just in case he can stay healthy option but I don't want to have to rely on him.

1st scenario is obviously better to contend next year but if we don't win we're screwed. 2nd scenario allows us to straddle the 2 time lines with better fitting young players and keeping all of our future draft picks. These are probably the best 2 options I've thought of so far.

Two quick points.

1. If we're getting JJJ, jk should be on the roster instead of cobi. I think jk will fit like a glove next to JJJ and I think his value would increase significantly.

2. I don't think JJJ will cost all the picks. If Memphis decides to rebuild, Jackson will have suitors, but he's on a one year deal, and I don't think the price will be 4 firsts

1. I was thinking about that as well but I don't have a strong opinion about it either way.
2. You would need to incentivize Memphis to blow it up and start their rebuild, hence the massive overpay. But if it costs less then even better.

[vvoland]

You're probably right about the incentive part but because he's expiring, he'll have a huge say in where he's going so unless he's totally passive in that process, Jackson can keep the price down.

It'll be interesting to see what Giannis, kd, etc fetch in the trade market and it'll have downstream impact on the trade values of players like JJJ. May not happen quickly so those 2nd tier players who get moved first might get a better return for their teams.

I'm really hopeful that the Michigan st. thing will help us recruit Jackson and keep it to 2frps, 2 swaps, and podz. The matching contracts are small and/or expiring so our package can be pretty attractive, especially if it's the 30/32 picks

[Onus]

Dray loves him some JJJ and he is in a group text that JJJ is in as well. So there's definitely a connection there. Just wonder if JJJ wants to be a pf rather than a center. Seems like memphis has always surrounded him with other bigs, though likely because he's a terrible rebounder.

Think JJJ is the exact type of player we should be targeting. A stretch big that can rim protect that doesn't have a crazy high salary (though he will get one and we'll be in cap hell for a year), so we can play jimmy and dray together. Like dream targets for me would be like Wemby, Chet, Mobley, etc types. JJJ fits that mold. That's kind of why I'm into Yaxel or Flemings who might be able to do some of that at a much cheaper cost.

[xdrta+]

OK, maybe this isn't so far-fetched after all. Seeing it a lot on social media. This guy actually proposes the trade:

Warriors:
Derrick White

Celtics:
Podz
Moody
Buddy
1st round pick

This trade could work only if Kuminga walks for nothing. The trade hard caps the Warriors at the 1st apron (because they take back more salary than they send out) and leaves them about $21M under the hard cap with 7 players. Any kind of deal with Kuminga will eat up most of that.

[TB]

The whole Celtics blowing it up narrative is such an overreaction.

Yes, Tatum is out. Yes, they have a crazy high tax bill.

But they are still a top team in the league that will be in the playoffs next year and right back in the finals mix the following year. Also, you cant just dump salary when nobody has cap space. Sure they may look to trade Jrue due to the long term contract, but even Zinger they will have to take back alot of salary to match it and he’s expiring anyways… so makes more sense to see if he can be a star for them with tatum out and either keep him or trade at the deadline for assets.

As for White, he’s one of the best all around players in the league making 28m next year…. there is literally no reason for the Celtics to trade White, especially with Tatum out next year.

[vvoland]

OK, maybe this isn't so far-fetched after all. Seeing it a lot on social media. This guy actually proposes the trade:

Warriors:
Derrick White

Celtics:
Podz
Moody
Buddy
1st round pick

This trade could work only if Kuminga walks for nothing. The trade hard caps the Warriors at the 1st apron (because they take back more salary than they send out) and leaves them about $21M under the hard cap with 7 players. Any kind of deal with Kuminga will eat up most of that.

They could probably add a few contracts (gui, tjd) and make it work without being hardcapped, right? I doubt that's the best offer the C's get, though.

[vvoland]

Dray loves him some JJJ and he is in a group text that JJJ is in as well. So there's definitely a connection there. Just wonder if JJJ wants to be a pf rather than a center. Seems like memphis has always surrounded him with other bigs, though likely because he's a terrible rebounder.

Think JJJ is the exact type of player we should be targeting. A stretch big that can rim protect that doesn't have a crazy high salary (though he will get one and we'll be in cap hell for a year), so we can play jimmy and dray together. Like dream targets for me would be like Wemby, Chet, Mobley, etc types. JJJ fits that mold. That's kind of why I'm into Yaxel or Flemings who might be able to do some of that at a much cheaper cost.

All those guys are untradeable so there's the next tier:
Turner (might as well be untradeable)
JJJ (hard to trade for but not impossible)
KP (30M makes it tough but it may cost nothing but contract filler)
Naz Reid (Can we S&T Kuminga for a S&T Naz? He's also not really a C or rim protector or any kind of defender)

Then it really drops off fast:
Isiah Stewart (I think Det likes him, he's on a good contract, and he and Dray may blow up chase center but he's probably our best option on this list)
Brook (TPMLE? Sure.)
Boucher (vet min? Sure.)
John Collins (May fit the bill at some point if he has a wiggins-esque turnaround?)
Mamu (not sure he's a 5 or shoots 3s but slim pickings)
WCJ (not really a 5 or a stretch big but, again, maaaybe if we squint hard enough)
Vuc (no thank you)
Portis (he and Dray on the same team? volatile)
Wiseman (kinda joking but then again....)
Jalen Smith (really desperate flyer)

[statsman]

Naz Reid (Can we S&T Kuminga for a S&T Naz? He's also not really a C or rim protector or any kind of defender)

Taking back a S&T player hard caps a team at the 1st apron, so the answer is likely no, assuming Curry, Butler, and Draymond remain with the Warriors.

[vvoland]

Naz Reid (Can we S&T Kuminga for a S&T Naz? He's also not really a C or rim protector or any kind of defender)

Taking back a S&T player hard caps a team at the 1st apron, so the answer is likely no, assuming Curry, Butler, and Draymond remain with the Warriors.

Yes, but can any team S&T a player for another S&T player? If the 1st apron is the only restriction, I wonder if it's happened before.

[statsman]

Naz Reid (Can we S&T Kuminga for a S&T Naz? He's also not really a C or rim protector or any kind of defender)

Taking back a S&T player hard caps a team at the 1st apron, so the answer is likely no, assuming Curry, Butler, and Draymond remain with the Warriors.

Yes, but can any team S&T a player for another S&T player? If the 1st apron is the only restriction, I wonder if it's happened before.

It is possible, but then both teams are dealing with BYC issues. Likely becomes a 3+ team trade to meet the salary matching rules.

BTW, the 6-team trade that sent Klay to the Mavs involved several S&T players. Klay was a S&T from the Warriors to the Mavs. Kyle Anderson was a S&T from the Twolves to the Warriors. Hield was a S&T from the Sixers to the Warriors.