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watch1958 wrote:Maybe AC Green?

Onus wrote:GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

defense_enjoyer wrote:There's been lots of talk about starting wings and guards being trade targets for the warriors, including mediocre options, but nobody is talking about these players, which, given the likelihood of the bucks rebuilding, should be explored more. Is there anything the warriors can do to acquire one or both of the 2 3 point shooting players on the bucks, Gary Trent Jr and AJ Green? GTJs contract's expiring this off-season and AJ Green has one more year of his contract, which is quite low too. Either one of those players add very consistent 3 point shooting(and AJ Green has a much quicker release than moody) and would actually space the floor rather than scoring off of Steph's gravity, unlike moody, who would be the players to trade.

Also both players actually kept shooting well during the playoffs despite getting pretty poor looks. They would feast on the additional spacing Curry, Buddy and Post would provide.


AJ Green also has good off ball movement and defense, and thus would fit well in Kerr's system. His only issue is non-existent finishing, but the current dubs guards also have very poor finishing skill, so the warriors wouldn't be losing much.

GTJ is a worse defender and ball handler than podz but has proven himself to be a great starting guard. He is a much more consistent bucket better and more athletic than podz o(Podz can't shoot pullup 3s or off the dribble, and has a slow release) , and actually has starter level scoring. GTJ would be ideal to pair up with Buddy, so he can get more open looks. One of the biggest problems the warriors have is Podz having to start. Getting GTJ would make Podz a 6th man which would improve our depth. Also a starting lineup of Steph, GTJ, Buddy, Jimmy, and Post would add far better floor spacing than now. Not to mention GTJ would add much needed d shooting to the 2nd unit.

Compared to other high volume 3&D wings, 3 pt shooting guards such as cam Johnson or Coby White, these 2 players seem to be quite underrated, and if the aforementioned players require way too many picks, would they be really easier to get than GTJ or AJ Green?

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

vvoland wrote:I liked gary trent and thought it was a great vet min. deal for the bucks. He had a great year but I think most people will only remember the TOs he had in the playoffs that cost the bucks the game. I doubt he comes for another vet min but the Tax Payer Mid Level (~$6M?) might be possible.

AJ Green shoots too well and makes too little to trade for. As Onus said, unless we overpay, they're not trading him, at which point... why?

Onus wrote:GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

defense_enjoyer wrote:

Onus wrote:GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

Onus wrote:

defense_enjoyer wrote:

Onus wrote:GTJ is a ufa. AJ Green is basically on a minimum contract they aren't letting him go unless you overpay for him at which point why?

None of these players are worth a 1st. Please stop

Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

None of these type of players are worth a 1st.

Gtj might be available for the vet min again or maybe part of the ntmle.

But really is he better than buddy? Buddy is a better version of both of these players and no one wants buddy for a 1st.

Buddy literally helped win us game 7 against the rockets. Buddy is perfectly fine as a rotation piece.

If you want another buddy type player then you’re talking about moving moody. Which is fine.

defense_enjoyer wrote:

Onus wrote:

defense_enjoyer wrote:
Ok, what players could the warriors trade for that are less of an overpay and are as good or better than GTJ and AJ Green, don't have contracts that require gutting the bench, aren't in their 30s, AND have proven not to soil the bed in terms of FG% during the playoffs?

DO you really think the nets, bulls, or jazz GM won't want ridiculous overpays too?

None of these type of players are worth a 1st.

I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

Gtj might be available for the vet min again or maybe part of the ntmle.

Then he should definitely be pursued more than what players some people(not on here, but on youtube or reddit) have been suggesting, such as hauser, kcp(LMAO), porzingis, lopez, wendell carter, Tyus Jones(LMAO), grayson allen, etc

But really is he better than buddy? Buddy is a better version of both of these players and no one wants buddy for a 1st.

GTJ has had at least 6 times less games in the playoffs and regular season where he has shot less than 20% from 3 at over 4 attempts compared to buddy. GTJ this season also:
-Has 43% FG % compared to Buddy's 42%
-41% 3P% vs Buddy's 37% 3P%
-84% vs 82% FT
-0.6 vs 1.1 TOs per game

While averaging one less 3PA. He's better at his core stats, not significantly, but still. Also the bucks have had much worse 3 point looks than warriors role players get, so that should be an indicator that his shooting splits haven't been a fluke these playoffs.

In any case, what team currently has SGs that have equivalent skills as buddy hield whose teams don't demand an overpay?

Buddy literally helped win us game 7 against the rockets. Buddy is perfectly fine as a rotation piece.

I never suggested trading buddy for him. Buddy is a vital floor stretcher for the dubs, but he's not enough. I wish GTJ and AJ Green are added into the rotation to create more 3 point threats and floor stretching, so the warriors don't become neutralized vs zone defense(the warriors and magic are currently the WORST teams in the league at scoring vs zone defense). The point of acquiring GTJ and AJ Green would be to replace non shooting threats like gui, pat spencer and GP2 from the rotation and send podz to the bench where he belongs.

If you want another buddy type player then you’re talking about moving moody. Which is fine.

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

defense_enjoyer wrote:
I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

Onus wrote:

defense_enjoyer wrote:
I never said they were worth a 1st. I asked what would the bucks FO presumably want for them and mentioned they should be looked at as possible trade targets. If they're not worth a first, I hope MDJ could manage to negotiate a deal to get them.
As for AJ Green, he has been shooting the 3 this year as well or better than Bogdanovic, Niang, Klay, PJ Washington, Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Gabe Vincent, Moody, Hauser, or KCP, but is at 1/2-1/8th the salary, and at good consistency. Didn't several of the players I listed cost FRPs? For example AJ Green for a FRP wouldn't be worse than when Miami traded a first for Terry Rozier.

Your OP said

What would the bucks likely ask in return for GTJ or AJ Green? Would they ask for multiple FRPs for each player

Yes trading a 1st for AJ Green would be just as bad as trading it for Rozier.

When I think about getting those players, moody is the guy I was thinking of as a trade piece, not buddy. Moody only scores off of steph's gravity, he doesn't create spacing. This is because his release, even before his injury has been very slow, and he's only consistently scores open 3s on the corner. Meanwhile while AJ Green has less 3PA, he can score contested 3 from anywhere much more consistently than moody, while having similar defensive quickness and offball defense. The warriors have less need for interior scoring, so sacrificing moody's already dubious finishing skill for AJ green seems worth it.

Moody is our best perimeter defender as sad as that is. I do think GTJ could replace him if we wanted to offer part of the ntmle for him.