Options for This Offseason

[vvoland]

In the eternal words the 21st century's premier philosopher, 'stand on what you say, stand on what you do.'

Before the dubs make moves, here's your chance to draw a line in the sand.

Make a choice, drop a note in the comments to state what you chose, and your thinking.

[donkeylips]

If giannis is an option, id go all in

[DevinVassell]

If someone is willing to give assets for an aging Curry/Butler, it's time to blow it up and minimize the brunt of the inevitable upcoming reset.

Never going to happen though. Warriors have committed to the last-hurrah/slow-death and will (as usual) get nothing in return for.... anybody.

[watch1958]

My guess is they sign Kuminga. Then they play him a lot, and decide whether to trade him next summer when the restrictions go away.

If they do then they likely trade Moses. Probably to an EC team that is sick of Brunson down the middle, and would like someone to hassle him.

Maybe Detroit or Boston. Celtics could use a stopgap while Tatum is out.

[Coxy]

The heart says go all in to pair Giannis and Steph for a 2 yr run, but my head says blow it all up and start stacking picks.

That young OKC team has me thinking epic rebuild post Steph.

[Old_Blue]

The heart says go all in to pair Giannis and Steph for a 2 yr run, but my head says blow it all up and start stacking picks.

That young OKC team has me thinking epic rebuild post Steph.

This is what the Nets appear to have in mind. Rumor is that the Nets will be using their cap space to take on bad soon to be expiring contracts. Each bad contract will have draft pick(s) attached to it. Then, they'll give those guys playing time, try to prop up their value and spin them off for additional picks. It won't be quite as effective as what OKC did - Most of which was accomplished with perhaps the single worst trade in NBA history. But, it's certainly a legitimate path for a team with lots of cap space. If the Nets pursue Kuminga, this will also be what they have in mind - pump up his value and spin him off for draft picks.

[azwfan]

The heart says go all in to pair Giannis and Steph for a 2 yr run, but my head says blow it all up and start stacking picks.

That young OKC team has me thinking epic rebuild post Steph.

This is what the Nets appear to have in mind. Rumor is that the Nets will be using their cap space to take on bad soon to be expiring contracts. Each bad contract will have draft pick(s) attached to it. Then, they'll give those guys playing time, try to prop up their value and spin them off for additional picks. It won't be quite as effective as what OKC did - Most of which was accomplished with perhaps the single worst trade in NBA history. But, it's certainly a legitimate path for a team with lots of cap space. If the Nets pursue Kuminga, this will also be what they have in mind - pump up his value and spin him off for draft picks.

Sounds great in theory, here’s what you need in order to make it work like OKC…

Serge Ibaka like player traded for someone like oladipo and a late lotto pick where you draft someone like Sabonis with that pick…

Then later trade Sabonis and Oladipo clones for PG13 level player.

Then trade PG13 level player for SGA level player and a ton of picks… then with one of those mid rd picks draft a legit allstar (like Jalen Williams) and then get a top 2 pick and draft someone like Chet with that pick… and also draft well using many of the other plethora of picks collected.

Basically acquiring the picks is the easiest part of the equation. Gotta draft and develop well also.

[Old_Blue]

Basically acquiring the picks is the easiest part of the equation. Gotta draft and develop well also.

The dream would be to pull Sam Presti away from the Thunder. It would take that kind of experience and presence to Katie bar the draft room door and keep out Lacob and his sons. That said, even Presti has had his share of misses. Şengün, Lively, Quickley, Brandon Clarke, Jaden McDaniels, Miles McBride...Just some of the names who were either drafted by Presti or acquired by him on draft night - but who never ended up playing a single game for the Thunder. Put another way, Presti's rejects over the last 5 or 6 years would form the core of a squad better than a good chunk of the teams in the League.

[whatisacenter]

Basically acquiring the picks is the easiest part of the equation. Gotta draft and develop well also.

The dream would be to pull Sam Presti away from the Thunder. It would take that kind of experience and presence to Katie bar the draft room door and keep out Lacob and his sons. That said, even Presti has had his share of misses. Şengün, Lively, Quickley, Brandon Clarke, Jaden McDaniels, Miles McBride...Just some of the names who were either drafted by Presti or acquired by him on draft night - but who never ended up playing a single game for the Thunder. Put another way, Presti's rejects over the last 5 or 6 years would form the core of a squad better than a good chunk of the teams in the League.

Agree with you about most all of this but the Cason Wallace/Lively trade was not bad, IMO....Wallace fills more of a need on this this OKC team and they are on the doorstep of a title.

[statsman]

Based on the results so far in this poll, there are going to be a lot of disappointed Warriors fans on this forum by the start of the 2025-26 season.

[vvoland]

Based on the results so far in this poll, there are going to be a lot of disappointed Warriors fans on this forum by the start of the 2025-26 season.

It's almost an exactly even split, very interesting to see that data.

[TB]

Are we assuming all these options are available?

If so...

1) of course get a Giannis if available
2) of course get an all-star if available

And our front office will go that route if its possible.….

but if its not (which is almost certainly the case), the most likely outcome is the option about working around the margins to build a better team around Steph/Jimmy/Dray than we had last season. And its definitely possible… bring in Lopez, get a couple guys like Trent or Laravia or Melton or Yuba… we can instantly be equal to or better than what we had last season just by having more shooting and versatility on the team.

The “blow it up option” is just so far from reality its not really worth discussing. It’s not 2k where you just trade Steph, Jimmy, Dray wherever we can get the most picks back… They would essentially have to agree to go there or the other team wouldn’t make the deal, and there has been nothing but signs of being all in with the Dubs with that trio. Steph would probably retire before going and playing for someone else and being away from family.

[vvoland]

Are we assuming all these options are available?

If so...

1) of course get a Giannis if available
2) of course get an all-star if available

And our front office will go that route if its possible.….

but if its not (which is almost certainly the case), the most likely outcome is the option about working around the margins to build a better team around Steph/Jimmy/Dray than we had last season. And its definitely possible… bring in Lopez, get a couple guys like Trent or Laravia or Melton or Yuba… we can instantly be equal to or better than what we had last season just by having more shooting and versatility on the team.

The “blow it up option” is just so far from reality its not really worth discussing. It’s not 2k where you just trade Steph, Jimmy, Dray wherever we can get the most picks back… They would essentially have to agree to go there or the other team wouldn’t make the deal, and there has been nothing but signs of being all in with the Dubs with that trio. Steph would probably retire before going and playing for someone else and being away from family.

Are you giving up Jimmy, Dray, and all future picks to get Giannis? Assuming Jimmy & Dray go out for assets Milwaukee would want, would you trade all the picks and swaps, all unprotected, plus all the young players, plus Dray & Jimmy, to get Giannis? Not sure but that's essentially what I meant by "all-in"

if you want to split hairs and say Dray stays, sure. Keep him. So it's Dray, Giannis, Steph and no one else. No picks. Do you do it?

p.s. Are you trading butler for KD? Or Dray + Moody for a borderline all-star? I'm a 'no' on both of these options, btw.

[TB]

Are we assuming all these options are available?

If so...

1) of course get a Giannis if available
2) of course get an all-star if available

And our front office will go that route if its possible.….

but if its not (which is almost certainly the case), the most likely outcome is the option about working around the margins to build a better team around Steph/Jimmy/Dray than we had last season. And its definitely possible… bring in Lopez, get a couple guys like Trent or Laravia or Melton or Yuba… we can instantly be equal to or better than what we had last season just by having more shooting and versatility on the team.

The “blow it up option” is just so far from reality its not really worth discussing. It’s not 2k where you just trade Steph, Jimmy, Dray wherever we can get the most picks back… They would essentially have to agree to go there or the other team wouldn’t make the deal, and there has been nothing but signs of being all in with the Dubs with that trio. Steph would probably retire before going and playing for someone else and being away from family.

Are you giving up Jimmy, Dray, and all future picks to get Giannis? Assuming Jimmy & Dray go out for assets Milwaukee would want, would you trade all the picks and swaps, all unprotected, plus all the young players, plus Dray & Jimmy, to get Giannis? Not sure but that's essentially what I meant by "all-in"

if you want to split hairs and say Dray stays, sure. Keep him. So it's Dray, Giannis, Steph and no one else. No picks. Do you do it?

p.s. Are you trading butler for KD? Or Dray + Moody for a borderline all-star? I'm a 'no' on both of these options, btw.

Ya I think in the case of Giannis that means Jimmy, Podz, and all the picks are going to the Bucks, which i’d do in a heartbeat.

I don’t think there are many scenarios where Dray’s salary is whats needed/wanted to get an allstar or even good starter like Cam Johnson, but ya if he’s what someone wants to bring in for an allstar or great fit with Steph/Jimmy, that option could work too.

So I think i’m a “yes” on all those options if the value feels right. But that doesn’t mean i’m trading all future picks this offseason for whatever the best player is no matter what… it’s got to be something that gives Steph a roster that if healthy can have a chance at getting to the WCF and beyond if the stars align.

But I like that we are in a scenario where we might still be a dangerous top 6 team without needing to make one of those deals… because the reality is I don’t think any of those types of players are picking the Warriors as their main destination. So we probably are running it back while adding some 3/D options and a backup PG to be a better version of what we saw with Jimmy last year.

[AirP.]

Are we assuming all these options are available?

If so...

1) of course get a Giannis if available
2) of course get an all-star if available

And our front office will go that route if its possible.….

but if its not (which is almost certainly the case), the most likely outcome is the option about working around the margins to build a better team around Steph/Jimmy/Dray than we had last season. And its definitely possible… bring in Lopez, get a couple guys like Trent or Laravia or Melton or Yuba… we can instantly be equal to or better than what we had last season just by having more shooting and versatility on the team.

The “blow it up option” is just so far from reality its not really worth discussing. It’s not 2k where you just trade Steph, Jimmy, Dray wherever we can get the most picks back… They would essentially have to agree to go there or the other team wouldn’t make the deal, and there has been nothing but signs of being all in with the Dubs with that trio. Steph would probably retire before going and playing for someone else and being away from family.

Are you giving up Jimmy, Dray, and all future picks to get Giannis? Assuming Jimmy & Dray go out for assets Milwaukee would want, would you trade all the picks and swaps, all unprotected, plus all the young players, plus Dray & Jimmy, to get Giannis? Not sure but that's essentially what I meant by "all-in"

if you want to split hairs and say Dray stays, sure. Keep him. So it's Dray, Giannis, Steph and no one else. No picks. Do you do it?

p.s. Are you trading butler for KD? Or Dray + Moody for a borderline all-star? I'm a 'no' on both of these options, btw.

Ya I think in the case of Giannis that means Jimmy, Podz, and all the picks are going to the Bucks, which i’d do in a heartbeat.

I don’t think there are many scenarios where Dray’s salary is whats needed/wanted to get an allstar or even good starter like Cam Johnson, but ya if he’s what someone wants to bring in for an allstar or great fit with Steph/Jimmy, that option could work too.

So I think i’m a “yes” on all those options if the value feels right. But that doesn’t mean i’m trading all future picks this offseason for whatever the best player is no matter what… it’s got to be something that gives Steph a roster that if healthy can have a chance at getting to the WCF and beyond if the stars align.

But I like that we are in a scenario where we might still be a dangerous top 6 team without needing to make one of those deals… because the reality is I don’t think any of those types of players are picking the Warriors as their main destination. So we probably are running it back while adding some 3/D options and a backup PG to be a better version of what we saw with Jimmy last year.

You end up basically being a little bit better version of the current Bucks before Lillard went down.

Golden State needs to try to hit on the edges for Curry WHILE also preparing for life after Curry. GS can have a TON of cap space the summer after Curry, Butler and Draymond's contracts are done which is another reason not to extend Kuminga and have that salary eating up cap space that you can use to take on bad contracts for assets. Take a 2-3 year bashing after Curry, take on bad salaries for 1st round picks and get as many shots as you can to draft your next franchise player. Basically, give yourself a shot for the next 2 years and then embrace the rebuild!

[DAWill1128]

I don't know if the center has to be spectacular defensively. Subbing in a center sized guy with some experience for Podz and letting Moody play shooting guard is a massive improvement defensively, and we were already a good defense.

I am probably more concerned with where do you get that 3rd scorer behind Jimmy that you can count on. I am okay with Buddy being a streaky 4th guy but the solid 3rd guy is necessity. Once Steph went down after Jimmy and Kuminga nobody put up points. Even in the Rockets series not having Kuminga involved offensively along with Jimmys tailbone injury kept the series close.

If Dray and Jimmy are at forward I almost think you have to go shooting guard for primary focus.

[azwfan]

Are we assuming all these options are available?

If so...

1) of course get a Giannis if available
2) of course get an all-star if available

And our front office will go that route if its possible.….

but if its not (which is almost certainly the case), the most likely outcome is the option about working around the margins to build a better team around Steph/Jimmy/Dray than we had last season. And its definitely possible… bring in Lopez, get a couple guys like Trent or Laravia or Melton or Yuba… we can instantly be equal to or better than what we had last season just by having more shooting and versatility on the team.

The “blow it up option” is just so far from reality its not really worth discussing. It’s not 2k where you just trade Steph, Jimmy, Dray wherever we can get the most picks back… They would essentially have to agree to go there or the other team wouldn’t make the deal, and there has been nothing but signs of being all in with the Dubs with that trio. Steph would probably retire before going and playing for someone else and being away from family.

Are you giving up Jimmy, Dray, and all future picks to get Giannis? Assuming Jimmy & Dray go out for assets Milwaukee would want, would you trade all the picks and swaps, all unprotected, plus all the young players, plus Dray & Jimmy, to get Giannis? Not sure but that's essentially what I meant by "all-in"

if you want to split hairs and say Dray stays, sure. Keep him. So it's Dray, Giannis, Steph and no one else. No picks. Do you do it?

p.s. Are you trading butler for KD? Or Dray + Moody for a borderline all-star? I'm a 'no' on both of these options, btw.

In general i’d give it all up to pair Giannis and Steph, and Im sure Lacob would too. But what does that mean? Does that mean Kuminga is going out in S&T also? Or are we now keeping him? What about Buddy?

Steph and Giannis is only 120m or so, Buddy is another 9, JK another 25m. We would be taking on more salary if its everything not nailed down plus all the picks for Giannis.

Dray, Butler, Podz, Moody, TJD… thats too much salary going out. So we’d at worst be eating another contract in addition to Giannis.

If Giannis is signed beyond Steph, those post Steph picks are not as valuable… and we’d have max capspace even with a resigned JK. Yes, I’d do that. I just dont think its realistic.

[vvoland]

Are we assuming all these options are available?

If so...

1) of course get a Giannis if available
2) of course get an all-star if available

And our front office will go that route if its possible.….

but if its not (which is almost certainly the case), the most likely outcome is the option about working around the margins to build a better team around Steph/Jimmy/Dray than we had last season. And its definitely possible… bring in Lopez, get a couple guys like Trent or Laravia or Melton or Yuba… we can instantly be equal to or better than what we had last season just by having more shooting and versatility on the team.

The “blow it up option” is just so far from reality its not really worth discussing. It’s not 2k where you just trade Steph, Jimmy, Dray wherever we can get the most picks back… They would essentially have to agree to go there or the other team wouldn’t make the deal, and there has been nothing but signs of being all in with the Dubs with that trio. Steph would probably retire before going and playing for someone else and being away from family.

Are you giving up Jimmy, Dray, and all future picks to get Giannis? Assuming Jimmy & Dray go out for assets Milwaukee would want, would you trade all the picks and swaps, all unprotected, plus all the young players, plus Dray & Jimmy, to get Giannis? Not sure but that's essentially what I meant by "all-in"

if you want to split hairs and say Dray stays, sure. Keep him. So it's Dray, Giannis, Steph and no one else. No picks. Do you do it?

p.s. Are you trading butler for KD? Or Dray + Moody for a borderline all-star? I'm a 'no' on both of these options, btw.

In general i’d give it all up to pair Giannis and Steph, and Im sure Lacob would too. But what does that mean? Does that mean Kuminga is going out in S&T also? Or are we now keeping him? What about Buddy?

Steph and Giannis is only 120m or so, Buddy is another 9, JK another 25m. We would be taking on more salary if its everything not nailed down plus all the picks for Giannis.

Dray, Butler, Podz, Moody, TJD… thats too much salary going out. So we’d at worst be eating another contract in addition to Giannis.

If Giannis is signed beyond Steph, those post Steph picks are not as valuable… and we’d have max capspace even with a resigned JK. Yes, I’d do that. I just dont think its realistic.

The only way we get Giannis (other than him pulling an AD to the lakers) is if we trade everything and take on bad contracts. It'll probably be giannis and kuzma or giannis and dame going out, or all 3. Obviously, we'd only be able to take 2 of them, but, in order to match the assets Hou or OKC or SAS could offer, we'd have to go ALL-IN. So what about a roster with Steph, Giannis, Kuzma, Dray and TJD. That's around the 1st apron for 5 players, if my math is correct.

[TB]

I disagree on what it would take to get Giannis. He makes 60m and we dont have much good young talent. Luckily, anyone that gets Giannis is going to get him because he wants to go there… so the bucks will not have leverage and get whats available within the CBA rules.

Jimmy for Giannis is a exact salary match (and you can market the Marquette guy playing with Dame, which they tried to make happen in Miami) . Throw in the hometown kid Podz who is our only valuable young player on a rookie deal. Then obviously every pick and pick swap we have.

Bucks either take that or destroy their relationship with a legend that got them a title while also damaging their reputation with future free agents.

That all being said, I can’t see any reason Giannis would pick the Warriors to be where he ideally finishes his career. But we at least have the ability to put out a decent pitch to him for now and the future.

[azwfan]

Ok, here's one that tests my "yes" to any Giannis and Steph pairing...

GSW out: Green, Butler, Podz, Moody, all the picks
GSW in: Giannis, Harris, Grayson Allen

MIL out: Giannis
MIL in: Butler, all Warriors picks, whatever picks are squeezed out of DET, PHX cruddy late 1sts

DET out: Tobias Harris, whatever picks can squeeze out of them
DET in: Draymond

PHX out: Grayson Allen, PHX cruddy late 1sts
PHX in: Podz, Moody

That leaves our roster with...

Steph / Spencer
Hield / Allen
Kuminga / GP2
Harris / Gui
Giannis / Looney / Post

Yeah, I still probably do that. I'd likely make an effort to tune in to see that... and if Giannis or Steph go down, or they suck even when healthy... i'll just "turn off my station".