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OK. We all saw with our own eyes how trash this roster actually is when Curry got hurt in the playoffs. And that's WITH Butler. Swept 4 games in a row by a very average Wolves squad.

So you would expect going all in this off-season to upgrade the surrounding roster with playable parts that contribute to winning, right? Especially with this aging core that includes one of the all-time greats.

But now, we're hearing:

1) Working on a deal to bring back GP2 -- even though he's often injured when it matters the most and he showed last year that he's not the defensive player he once was, which of course was his greatest asset.

2) JK is likely to be re-signed and have to endure more years of punishment with Kerr yanking him around, not playing him consistently, and stating he doesn't contribute to winning.

3) While acknowledging that Draymond Green should no longer be asked to play the 5 heavy minutes, coming up with the solution that the answer to the problem is already on the roster in Post, a guy who became unplayable in the playoffs because of his lack of defense, rebounding, and awareness.

So where does that leave you? It leaves you boxed in, trying to convince the fans that keeping this roster the same actually will give the Warriors a chance to compete for a title. Good luck.

Watch all these moves by other teams. Watch KD moved soon. And many others. And watch Joe Lacob do nothing. The propaganda has already begun. And most fans will repeat the company line. Bringing back JK? Great move. GP2? Great move. Post your starting center? Another (you guessed it) great move.

If it happens this way? The season is over before it even begins.

Forget Derrick White. Forget Trey Murphy. Forget them all.

Just another year with lack of size and shooting, guys throwing up 3 point brick after 3 point brick. More small ball as Post falls on his face because he can't guard anyone.

Negative? I'm guilty. And I hope I'm wrong. But this Warriors' FO has shown it's not about getting better, it's about being a family, loving their draft picks (remember Joe Lacob lamenting having to finally get rid of James Wiseman, saying they might very well end up regretting it?). For me, it's just no fun watching Curry die on the vine, year by year, as Kerr continues to make him play off the ball, run around in circles, and provide terrible shooters around him and no inside threat, either.

Change needs to happen. Trades should have been made long ago. JK could have landed you OG or Siakam or Cam Johnson. No moves are always the best moves in Warriors' world.

When Curry finally retires, we're all going to realize what little basketball knowledge Joe Lacob has.

You got f… Butler for pennies few months ago and had one of the best team after trade. Curry is 37y old and if he would get injury again nothing help you, b/c Kerr just cant coach w/o him.

JFC.

basically we have no players other than big 3 that can play big games. Offensively its really just Steph, with no shooting around the roster. The drafting has been meh for years now and that has really hurt us.

The playoffs are about health and health is very random. 2 key players for Golden State (Podz and Moody) were damaged goods going into the playoffs and it hurt Golden State greatly. Now toss in game 2 of the playoffs with Butler going in for a rebound and having a quite random play where he had his legs taken out near the apex of his jump where he was damaged goods for basically the rest of GS's playoffs. Toss in Curry having a hamstring injury when they went to Minnesota and were handling business in game 1 of the 2nd round.

Now, you could say that GS's key players are all older and more likely to be injured and that's true although Curry and Butler are in tip top shape all year round, the needs for this are obvious, there needs to be some type of possibly dangerous 3pt shooter who can handle the ball coming off the bench. Is a guy like M.Monk a possibility once a resigned Kuminga is eligible to be traded at full contract price? If Kuminga is signed in the 30-mil range, that gives GS a lot of money to play with in a trade. Would Utah send out Sexton and/or Clarkson for Kuminga + salary since both Sexton and Clarkson's contracts are up and have to be extended while they're finally rebuilding vs treading water to get high draft picks? Kessler is also up for an extension and is a very low-price contract-wise for next season.

The size issue is a problem but it seems to be the problem Kerr is willing to deal with vs go with a big with limited offense which will cause issues for the team offensively. Personally, I'd love to see some vet 7-footer who can rebound out there, Looney is a little bit too small in certain matchups.

Kuminga will probably be retained to either trade him for his contract amount coming back possibly sending draft picks out to get a much better player. Kuminga can score but there is no way I'm wanting to even try building an offense around him (since he's going to be one of your highest paid players).

GS has 5 what I consider solid rotation players, not all starters of course.
- Curry, Butler, Draymond, Podz and Moody are all solid rotation players when healthy.

Now the others are mostly role-players.
- Kuminga believes he's the #1 option which screws up what the offense is trying to do which I'm sure frustrates a number of players.
- Hield is a great shooter but a wildcard but plays outside his skillset a little too much.
- Post isn't good enough defensively but hopefully he'll get enough reps during next season to be passable at center for the playoffs.
- Payton II is a solid defender whose role will be reduced but could be a good defender to bring in here and there to give others a break.
- Santos is your hustle/energy guy who plays his role and doesn't try to do anything else, a guy like that is needed.

BTW... if Kuminga is retained, say ~30 a year, does his contract/talent with picks and other salaries get you into the Giannis talks once Kuminga is available?

cpower wrote:basically we have no players other than big 3 that can play big games. Offensively its really just Steph, with no shooting around the roster. The drafting has been meh for years now and that has really hurt us.

I think a healthy Podz and Moody can be good enough (not great) to be stretch threats but a ballhandling 3pt shooting wildcard is needed off the bench who is cheap (for now). GS needs to identify that backup of Curry and acquire them.

cpower wrote:basically we have no players other than big 3 that can play big games. Offensively its really just Steph, with no shooting around the roster. The drafting has been meh for years now and that has really hurt us.

Of course you're right. But what's truly alarming about it all? There is no recognition that they need to change their approach, that they need get bigger, find more shooting, improve their team. It's all make believe, pretending its all good when it's obvious that it isn't.

You can't create change if you're unwilling to examine and understand the mistakes you've made in the past.

AirP. wrote:BTW... if Kuminga is retained, say ~30 a year, does his contract/talent with picks and other salaries get you into the Giannis talks once Kuminga is available?

If you're delusional, sure.

The big question for me is how much were the injuries that Podz and Moody had surgery for affecting their shot? If they come back 100% they could be instantly much more useful. But if they're just perennially inconsistent shooters then they should be moved. Post I'm still on the fence about but he's still young, and cheap, and has an incredible stroke when it's working so I'd be hesitant to get rid of him.

We’re in a way better position than last summer. I don’t think there’s any big moves to be made tbh. Just run it back with some tweaks and twerks and let it roll.

EvanZ wrote:We’re in a way better position than last summer. I don’t think there’s any big moves to be made tbh. Just run it back with some tweaks and twerks and let it roll.

This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

CS707 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:We’re in a way better position than last summer. I don’t think there’s any big moves to be made tbh. Just run it back with some tweaks and twerks and let it roll.

This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

You're not wrong but to be fair, the pre-Steph years were also the Cohan years, so it might not be the same thing.

HiRez wrote:

CS707 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:We’re in a way better position than last summer. I don’t think there’s any big moves to be made tbh. Just run it back with some tweaks and twerks and let it roll.

This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

You're not wrong but to be fair, the pre-Steph years were also the Cohan years, so it might not be the same thing.

90% of our dynasty is because of Steph Curry, who was drafted by Cohan

Jester_ wrote:

HiRez wrote:

CS707 wrote:
This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

You're not wrong but to be fair, the pre-Steph years were also the Cohan years, so it might not be the same thing.

90% of our dynasty is because of Steph Curry, who was drafted by Cohan

Yes, the ONE thing he got right in how many decades? Everything else was pretty much a disaster. And they only got Steph because Nellie recognized the talent and was adamant they didn't move him for Stoudamire on draft night. Obviously, the Warriors aren't the same without Steph. But I also don't expect them to be nearly as bad as the Cohan years. They'll be in the mix with other teams who are good but maybe don't have a generational talent on the roster.

Only two organizations Spurs and Warriors created dynasties in last 25 years. I don't mention Lakers, b/c of their attractiveness. They can buy every free agent or get crazy trades, b/c they are Lakers.

CS707 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:We’re in a way better position than last summer. I don’t think there’s any big moves to be made tbh. Just run it back with some tweaks and twerks and let it roll.

This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

I'm more baffled by the people who remember the pre-Steph years where we won 2 playoff rounds in 20+ years and are not interested in the final Steph years and want to trade him. Man I remember those 49er teams as a kid and now it's been 30 years since a championship, and I don't really go back and watch any 49er games except the dynasty years.

Likely when Steph is gone we turn back into a pumpkin and struggle for a decade. A championship? Who knows if we will live to see another (if you were old enough to watch Run TMC). A decent % of a dynasty is luck, like how Steph fell to us. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy what we can do in the final years of the Warrior GOAT.

DonaldSanders wrote:

CS707 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:We’re in a way better position than last summer. I don’t think there’s any big moves to be made tbh. Just run it back with some tweaks and twerks and let it roll.

This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

I'm more baffled by the people who remember the pre-Steph years where we won 2 playoff rounds in 20+ years and are not interested in the final Steph years and want to trade him. Man I remember those 49er teams as a kid and now it's been 30 years since a championship, and I don't really go back and watch any 49er games except the dynasty years.

Likely when Steph is gone we turn back into a pumpkin and struggle for a decade. A championship? Who knows if we will live to see another (if you were old enough to watch Run TMC). A decent % of a dynasty is luck, like how Steph fell to us. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy what we can do in the final years of the Warrior GOAT.

We are saying the same thing.

Let’s enjoy the ride while we can.

Jester_ wrote:

HiRez wrote:

CS707 wrote:
This is the truth of the matter. For the life of me I can’t figure out exactly what it is that people want outside of just blowing it up. At this point in the game you’re threading the finest of needles trying to make incremental improvements with the limited assets they have to work with. Odds are that it’s not going to work, but that’s sports. I swear some of these people don’t remember the pre-Steph years.

You're not wrong but to be fair, the pre-Steph years were also the Cohan years, so it might not be the same thing.

90% of our dynasty is because of Steph Curry, who was drafted by Cohan

KD, Klay, Dray, Iguodala, Bogut, Livingston, Barobosa, etc etc was only worth 10%? Good lord

KevinMcreynolds wrote:

Jester_ wrote:

HiRez wrote:You're not wrong but to be fair, the pre-Steph years were also the Cohan years, so it might not be the same thing.

90% of our dynasty is because of Steph Curry, who was drafted by Cohan

KD, Klay, Dray, Iguodala, Bogut, Livingston, Barobosa, etc etc was only worth 10%? Good lord

I was being hyperbolic, but do you disagree that Steph is the engine behind everything? None of what came later happens without Steph.

Lacob didn't **** it up - which is good. Terrible owners like Dan Gilbert would've F'd it up. But he is also not responsible for the most impactful decision that created the dynasty, and has made serious mistakes which stunted our potential.

My point is we might not be the armpit of the sports universe, but the post-Steph era isn't going to be pretty like some people think.

Jester_ wrote:Lacob didn't **** it up - which is good.

I wonder what Lacob would have done without Jerry West in his ear.