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Let's talk about free agency here

Current roster

Curry
Podz/Buddy/Richard
Moody
JB/Gui/Toohey
Dray/Post/TJD

We really only have 9 players signed so far and we could cut Gui or Post if necessary as they have no guaranteed money.

Draft picks
Alex Toohey
Will Richard

Two Way
Jackson Rowe

RFA
JK
Kevin Knox
Braxton Key
Taran Armstrong
Pat Spencer

Salary Cap
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/yearly

1st Apron 195,946,000
2nd Apron 207,825,000

Current Allocation 170,932,327
1st Apron Space 25,013,673
2nd Apron Space 36,892,673

Free Agents
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2025

Who should we be targeting? What are our needs?

Outside of when CP3 and Michelle Roberts decided to let us have KD due to getting rid of cap smoothing, is this the first time we’ve had cap space since 2013?

If Kuminga can cost 21m or less in his first year, we can use the TPMLE and stay under the 2nd apron. That right now is my hope.

- Kuminga around 20m
- Talk Lopez into vet min for a starting spot
- Talk Monte Morris into vet min for a legit backup PG role
- Use TPMLE on someone like Laravia or Yabu

If one of those guys takes more elsewhere, you just go down the list to guys like Melton, Nance, Gary Harris, Tate, Prince, GP2 etc.

- In this situation, you are likely letting GP2 go, and having to choose between Loon and TJD (easy Loon pick IMO)… which is why I keep hoping for a Trayce trade for a 3/D on same rookie contract (Julian Phillips being my guy)

- Dray pulls an Andre and goes to the bench, not because he isn’t our 3rd best player, but because it sets up a more balanced roster with vets anchoring any defense or offense.

Steph / Morris
Podz / Moody / Buddy
Jimmy / Laravia / Phillips
Kuminga / Dray / Santos
Lopez / Post / Loon

2ways - Armstrong, Toohey, Richard

KevinMcreynolds wrote:Outside of when CP3 and Michelle Roberts decided to let us have KD due to getting rid of cap smoothing, is this the first time we’ve had cap space since 2013?

We will only even have the full MLE if we let Kuminga walk most likely. Even last year we had the full MLE and used it on Melton.. not to mention finding exceptions via Klay trade to get Buddy and Kyle. This year will be much more like the previous two where we get 2 or 3 vets for the minimum or part of an MLE.

The holdup now is Kuminga’s caphold. We can use the full MLE if Kuminga accepts the QO. Don’t think he’ll get anything more than the fully MLE in the open market. Kuminga can drag this out and delay us from using the MLE. Let’s just sign a few vet min guys for now and see how the JK situation works out.

JK's agent is obviously trying to drum up interest which is why you hear so many teams are interested in him (Miami, Sac, Chi). I kind of feel like his contract situation is going to be drawn out, but the longer it draws out the worst his contract most likely will be as well. His agent has his work cut out for him since they screwed up last year.

Fun group so far…

LJ and Chance small but can really shoot it
Bez small but shifty with a nasty step back, plus defends like crazy
Coleman a big that wants to be a PG, so thats always fun
Armstrong played well in the G so should be confident at SL
TBD if guys like Rowe, Post, or Spencer go
throw in our draft picks and we have a pretty interesting summer league squad so far

Hopefully its Stack coaching and not Nicholas, but either way lots of 4 guard lineup options to make everyone mad lol

Games:

July 5th vs Lakers at Chase
July 6th vs Spurs at Chase
July 8th vs Heat at Chase

July 11th vs Blazers in Vegas
July 13th vs Jazz in Vegas
July 15th vs Grizz in Vegas
July 17th vs Raptors in Vegas

bay2hk wrote:The holdup now is Kuminga’s caphold. We can use the full MLE if Kuminga accepts the QO. Don’t think he’ll get anything more than the fully MLE in the open market. Kuminga can drag this out and delay us from using the MLE. Let’s just sign a few vet min guys for now and see how the JK situation works out.

Kuminga's cap hold doesn't affect using the MLE. The MLE depends on the 1st Apron line which doesn't include cap holds. Under the line you can use up to the full MLE, over and you're restricted to the TMLE.

xdrta+ wrote:

bay2hk wrote:The holdup now is Kuminga’s caphold. We can use the full MLE if Kuminga accepts the QO. Don’t think he’ll get anything more than the fully MLE in the open market. Kuminga can drag this out and delay us from using the MLE. Let’s just sign a few vet min guys for now and see how the JK situation works out.

Kuminga's cap hold doesn't affect using the MLE. The MLE depends on the 1st Apron line which doesn't include cap holds. Under the line you can use up to the full MLE, over and you're restricted to the TMLE.

So you’re saying Warriors can use the full MLE now since they’re approx $25m under the first Apron. JK not accepting QO yet doesn’t impact our ability to use the MLE?

Wait we have $25M to spend on a free agent?

EvanZ wrote:Wait we have $25M to spend on a free agent?

I don’t believe so.

Pretty sure we have to rescind the QO to JK since it has a $23m cap hold or if he accepts the QO to use the MLE.

EvanZ wrote:Wait we have $25M to spend on a free agent?

Absolutely. As long as that free agent’s name is Jonathan Kuminga, Garry Payton II, or Kevon Looney.

bay2hk wrote:

xdrta+ wrote:

bay2hk wrote:The holdup now is Kuminga’s caphold. We can use the full MLE if Kuminga accepts the QO. Don’t think he’ll get anything more than the fully MLE in the open market. Kuminga can drag this out and delay us from using the MLE. Let’s just sign a few vet min guys for now and see how the JK situation works out.

Kuminga's cap hold doesn't affect using the MLE. The MLE depends on the 1st Apron line which doesn't include cap holds. Under the line you can use up to the full MLE, over and you're restricted to the TMLE.

So you’re saying Warriors can use the full MLE now since they’re approx $25m under the first Apron. JK not accepting QO yet doesn’t impact our ability to use the MLE?

That's correct. Using anything above the taxpayer MLE will hard cap them at the 1st Apron, though.

They should let JK go to a team he wants to go to and just use the 14M MLE instead of taking .50c on the dollar in a trade.

JK gets to be free and Warriors get a FA.

xdrta+ wrote:

bay2hk wrote:

xdrta+ wrote:
Kuminga's cap hold doesn't affect using the MLE. The MLE depends on the 1st Apron line which doesn't include cap holds. Under the line you can use up to the full MLE, over and you're restricted to the TMLE.

So you’re saying Warriors can use the full MLE now since they’re approx $25m under the first Apron. JK not accepting QO yet doesn’t impact our ability to use the MLE?

That's correct. Using anything above the taxpayer MLE will hard cap them at the 1st Apron, though.

I don’t think this is right. We would need to rescind JK’s QO because of the cap hold to use the MLE, unless he signs the QO.

bay2hk wrote:

xdrta+ wrote:

bay2hk wrote:
So you’re saying Warriors can use the full MLE now since they’re approx $25m under the first Apron. JK not accepting QO yet doesn’t impact our ability to use the MLE?

That's correct. Using anything above the taxpayer MLE will hard cap them at the 1st Apron, though.

I don’t think this is right. We would need to rescind JK’s QO because of the cap hold to use the MLE, unless he signs the QO.

The Warriors have cap holds on 19 players, including such names as David West and Andrew Bogut. They are there until they are renounced by the W's or they die. There are reasons not to renounce them. Nothing special about JK's. They affect cap space but not Apron restrictions.

Edit: GP2 has a cap hold of $17,347,000. Why wouldn't that affect the MLE if JK's did?

xdrta+ wrote:

bay2hk wrote:

xdrta+ wrote:
That's correct. Using anything above the taxpayer MLE will hard cap them at the 1st Apron, though.

I don’t think this is right. We would need to rescind JK’s QO because of the cap hold to use the MLE, unless he signs the QO.

The Warriors have cap holds on 19 players, including such names as David West and Andrew Bogut. They are there until they are renounced by the W's or they die. There are reasons not to renounce them. Nothing special about JK's. They affect cap space but not Apron restrictions.

You’re getting the QO cap hold restriction and regular cap hold confused. The QO cap hold counts against our cap since the offer is outstanding and remains unsigned.

bay2hk wrote:

xdrta+ wrote:

bay2hk wrote:
I don’t think this is right. We would need to rescind JK’s QO because of the cap hold to use the MLE, unless he signs the QO.

The Warriors have cap holds on 19 players, including such names as David West and Andrew Bogut. They are there until they are renounced by the W's or they die. There are reasons not to renounce them. Nothing special about JK's. They affect cap space but not Apron restrictions.

You’re getting the QO cap hold restriction and regular cap hold confused. The QO cap hold counts against our cap since the offer is outstanding and remains unsigned.

As I said, cap holds count against the cap but not against Apron restrictions. We're already way over the cap. The MLE is not related to the cap but it is to Apron restrictions.