Nellie's hidden Agenda?

[turk3d]

(long post)

Well guys. There's a lot of $hit going on with Warriors now, and most of it negative, in part due to the Webber trade it seems. But what's really going on? There's been a lot of speculation on the board, but who really knows? No one really, but I think there are some clues which many of you have alluded to in other threads.

There's been a rash of "anti-Nellie" sentiment as of late, myself included with people calling him "stupid" "(Please Use More Appropriate Word)", etc. probably most of all out of frustration, and there's been a lot of "anti-Baron" sentiment as well. Not that this isn't something on a pretty regular basis, it's just that's it seemed to have increased substantially as of late, and appears that it will continue to do so.

However, regarding Nellie, the truth is that we all know that Nellie is in fact NOT STUPID and most definitely NOT (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He may be cunning, clever and deceptive at times, but defnitely not stupid. So what's really going on with him? From Nellie's past histry (which we all know pretty well), whenever he does something there's usually a method to his madness, so the real question is what is that?

This is what I think (some of you may have hinted at this in other threads): we're rapidly approaching the trade deadline. We all know (by what he's been saying and what some of you have been posting), he's not satisfied with his team going into the stretch run for the playoff hunt. He's been saying things all season like "we're not a playoff team", "our guys really aren't that good" and more recently "we really don't have any good passers", etc. and so forth.

All season long he's been saying that he prefers Al to "come off the bench" rather than start and now saying that "all he can do is shoot", implying that the rest of his game isn't any good. Then he indicates that Baron "is not a good passer". He keeps giving Beans sporadic minutes after he gets an NBA season high 26 rebounds. What's he trying to accomplish? What most would try and say is that this is his way of motivating his players but this recent stuff he's been doing seems more intended on pissing them off and it seems to working based on some of what we've been seeing in the press lately.

What better way to force Mullin to make a trade than bu getting some disgruntled players and using that as an excuse to move them somewhere else. Who are the main targets? I'd say Al (it's pretty clear that he is not a Nellie type player) who has a low basketball IQ and is a liability on defense and secondly Baron. Why Baron? Potentially his biggest trade piece and if he were to trade Harrington (who is his main target I believe) he expects there could be potential problems with him down the road (because of his friendship with Harrington and he's well aware of what that could lead to through his previous Webber experience). The emergence of Monta and Baron's recent demise makes it all the more easier for him in moving Baron if he so chooses.

I'm pretty sure he wants to move Pietrus (as well as POB as a throwin) and that's the real reason he's been playing him in addition to Harrington. I also think he's probably willing to throw in our #1 pick next year (probably doesn't even care about it due to his "win now" attitude). He'd probably also use the TPE if he could to get the player (or players he wants) which likely would mean we'd be getting some junk back. If this is true, then the next question is what can we really get for any of these pieces? This is what I would be worried about right now. If we were to "shoot our wad", the only guy I'd really be willing to take a chance with who's probably available is Odom.

If Nellie does make a move (and I think that this it what everything is pointing), I'm more concerned about what we will getting back than what we'll be giving up. If he does this, and takes back the wrong pieces (say a Mike Miller for example), I don't think we're going to make the playoffs and his plan will be to make his run next year. I would not trade Baron for a guy like miller. Not trying to start any "conspiracy theories" but the reality is that when dealing with Nellie, you have to be able to "read between the lines" since what "he says" is not always what he means. Curious what you "experts" think about this.

[Left*My*Heart]

IMO that Nellie is positioning the front office to make a trade.

If the Warriors were able to keep their core together and add Mike Miller, the Warriors would become serious threats in the West.

Nellie would like to win a championship now and trading Baron would only lead to rebuilding the team. Baron is not going to be a trade friendly player either. He will fight any trade that moves him farther away from southern Cal.

Al is a Nellie kind of player. In fact, Al is key to a lot of what Nellie wants to do on the court. The problem is when Al isn't hitting his outside shot.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Last off season Nelly talked how great Dunleavy and Murphy are, didn

[turk3d]

I think the thing we need to figure out is who we're getting. Do we really have room for a guy like Miller? Who's going to come out of the starting liineup? He's already seemed to have made a committment to Webber and in order to get someone like Miller, what is he going to have to give back to Memphis in order to make that deal? This is the stuff that worries me. Al's already upset by the Webber acquisition if he has to lose playing time. What if we bring in someone else, presumbably as a starter?

I'm really afraid that Nellie's going to wind up trading one of our "coveted" youngsters like Wright or even Belli. I'm also even concerned he might be dumb enough to move Beans as well as Baron. Who can he move in order to get the caliber player that he thinks can take us into the playoffs without one of them being Harrington? Not too many teams seems that interested in Al, Pietrus or O'Bryant, the only players that I think have trade value that I'd want to see move for the right guy.

[Left*My*Heart]

Huh?

[turk3d]

If Al's so great as far as Nellie's concerned, why does he want him coming off the bench and has indicated that the only thing he can do is shoot (can't pass, can't dribble, can't play inside, can't play D although he didn't come out and say that)?

[oaktownwarriors87]

Who

[Left*My*Heart]

If Nellie is clever and really does want to trade Al, why come out and say negative things about him? Wouldn't he want to build him up to everyone?

I think in Al's case Nellie is trying to motivate him.

If the Warriors can Miller without giving up a lot, it would make a huge difference. Of course it the price is too high, then the answer is no.

[Sid the Squid]

Charlie Trainwreck? Mike Miller? Vince Carter?


Why not just put 3 bullets in my head.

[Head Leader]

i say **** it.

trade baron to memphis.

"win now" is hillarious... what are we winning? get lucky in the playoffs? we could do that without baron...not that i really wanna see him go, but these last few games hes pissing me off thats for sure.

i say we move Black santa to memphis some how and get mike miller and lowry... maybe even warrick.

i didnt check trade checker, so im not sure if its even possible.
i dont even know if that even makes us better or worse or what.

what do yall think

[Mylie10]

Nellie loves Baron

Nellie hates kids!

[FNQ]

(long post)

However, regarding Nellie, the truth is that we all know that Nellie is in fact NOT STUPID and most definitely NOT (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He may be cunning, clever and deceptive at times, but defnitely not stupid. So what's really going on with him? From Nellie's past histry (which we all know pretty well), whenever he does something there's usually a method to his madness, so the real question is what is that?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupid

-tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless

-Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.

-Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes


Nellie's stubborn and stupid... not once has he changed his smallball ways in 26 years..

Claims to be so unlucky with big men... he's completely factored out in-game experience, which is what they need to develop.. its not that hes had bad luck - bad coaches can produce quality big men. By playing them.

When he gets credit for Beans, you have to laugh... if Nellie were here 2 years earlier, Beans would already be gone..

There's no hidden agenda... 40-50 wins and a quick exit are signatures of Nellieball..

[St.Nick]

I'd be thrilled with Mike Miller here. As someone else noted, what we are truly lacking is a great shooter. Considering that we are a 3pt shooting team, how crazy is it that we don't have a guy that can hit them with consistency?

He could take the SG/SF minutes as a backup. I think a deal could be arranged.

GS Trades Al H.
MEM Trades M.Miller
HOU Trades S.Francis, Bonzi Wells, Chuck Hayes

GS Receives Miller
MEM Receives Francis, Wells, and Hayes
HOU Receives Al H.

[Sleepy51]

I don't hate moving Al if we get a shooting upgrade in return (and a STRONG rebounding guard) but then what are we going to do to replace Al's defensive contribution?

A not insignificant amount of our turnovers result from how hard Al works to deny position to interior players and make them uncomfortable catching and passing out. He's a VERY good Nellieball defender. Webber doesn't have the mobility to play denial or trap like that, Barnes isn't really strong enough to do it against the bigger guys. Is Wright going to start playing in this scenario?

I like Miller as a fit for this team, but I would MUCH rather make the trade built around some combination of Pietrus/08 pick/Belli.

I know, I know, Bellie could be special, but if we were to aquire a Miller, where is Bellie going to break into the guard rotation in the next couple of years?

Baron, Monta, Jack, Milller, (backup pg-hopefully not CJ) . . . then Bukie/Belli?

That's not a lot of development minutes. That's pretty much being buried.

I realize and acknowledge that on offense, Al basically plays the role of a guard here, but on defense he is defintiely a forward, not a shot blocker, but he has been an effective (and unique) interior defender with what we try to accomplish on D. Miller brings zero contribution on D, and certainly not in the paint. It would make sense to pursue a Miller deal by dealing a guard, not a solid defensive forward.

[FNQ]

Trading Al = more Webber/Barntrus @ PF

The only positive of dealing him would be that Wright could see the floor instead of wearing suits... but it wont happen.

Any trade Nellie makes will address the now... so here's hoping that we stand PAT.

[Sleepy51]

^what he said

[Thugleavy34]

I don't want Miller. I'd rather us make a trade for a guy like Dorrell Wright/John Salmons/Mikki Moore, guys that would fit in to the group of guys we have, or if we're willing to give up a lot than a J Smoove or the like.

[Sleepy51]

I don't want Miller. I'd rather us make a trade for a guy like Dorrell Wright/John Salmons/Mikki Moore, guys that would fit in to the group of guys we have, or if we're willing to give up a lot than a J Smoove or the like.

How does Miller not fit in? He chucks 3's, he doesn't play D, and he's a rebounding guard. That sounds like half our roster, except he's actually a GOOD 3ball shooter . . . oh, is that what you meant by not fitting in?

Mikki Moore? You mean POB in 3 years, that Mikki Moore?

[JimmyTD3]

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How does Miller not fit in? He chucks 3's, he doesn't play D, and he's a rebounding guard. That sounds like half our roster, except he's actually a GOOD 3ball shooter . . . oh, is that what you meant by not fitting in?

Mikki Moore? You mean POB in 3 years, that Mikki Moore?

Why is Al for Miller such a great idea? We're trading a 40% 3 point shooter for a 43% 3 point shooter. Wow, that's gonna make us a much better team. I think the kicker is the part where we're trading a big man (something we don't have) for a guard (something we already have too many of).

[Thugleavy34]

I just don't like Miller. End of story. He's not what I envision when I see this team. Not meant to be argued, just a personal feeling.

Mikki Moore's personality would go so great with these guys...he's got a Stephen Jackson demeanor only without the blowups...the guys would love him and his hustle.