Artest for the trade exception is a better deal

Mylie10 · Post #1 » by **Mylie10** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:57 am

The Kings seem to be looking to have flexibility. It's pretty clear that Lorenzen Wright, Ty Lue, and AJ are purely a cap space move. Sheldon's OK, but...

The trade exception is a good flexible piece for going into next year.

The Kings currently have 17 players on the roster after this trade and moving Ron for the exception means they don't have to waive anyone else.

As it stands right now the Kings are probably going to waive promising young player Justin Williams.

Our exception and a possible pick makes alot of sense for the Kings.

The Denver offer of Kleiza and Najera (maybe pick) sounds good, but Denver likes Kleiza and he's cheap. Najera is a Karl favorite, so the deal being thrown around might not be the actual offer.

If anything keeping Ronnie out of Denvers hands is almost as huge as the defense he'd add to our squad.

The biggest thing in our favor is the Kings not having to add more players and thus waive more.

It gives them offseason trading options and possible a tool to move up in the draft.

thetrueth · Post #2 » by **thetrueth** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:34 am

Artest for the exception doesnt make sense, since he wont be there next year. The kings wouldn't be saving anything except a pro-rated amount of his contract for this year. I dont know if a pick is enough for them, and i certainly hate to give up too high a pick.

Twinkie defense · Post #3 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:44 am

No incentive for the Kings to send Ron to the Dubs for just short-term $ savings. Better to just let him expire.

BROWN · Post #4 » by **BROWN** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:03 am

Kings send Artest
Warriors send TE + 2 1st round draft choices ?

St.Nick · Post #5 » by **St.Nick** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:23 am

brownwarriors wrote:Kings send Artest
Warriors send TE + 2 1st round draft choices ?

Only two?

Sid the Squid · Post #6 » by **Sid the Squid** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:27 am

Artest for the TE....

Why for the kings?

Simple.

Ron Ron = a ticking time bomb

the kings are going to the lottery

there's no reason to take the chance on Artest not exploding.

kings will make this deal if they can't find a better offer...book it.

St.Nick · Post #7 » by **St.Nick** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:32 am

If he is a ticking time bomb, which I absolutely agree with, then why would we want to bring him into our home?

And what happens to our latest addition, Webber, if Artest was brought in? Seems like that would be a wasted signing.

We're not trading for Artest.

thetrueth · Post #8 » by **thetrueth** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:35 am

St.Nick wrote:If he is a ticking time bomb, which I absolutely agree with, then why would we want to bring him into our home?

And what happens to our latest addition, Webber, if Artest was brought in? Seems like that would be a wasted signing.

We're not trading for Artest.

the clock resets when he gets to a new team.

Sid the Squid · Post #9 » by **Sid the Squid** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:39 am

thetrueth wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

the clock resets when he gets to a new team.

Exactly...Artest is a top20 player during his first months on a new team.

Post #10 » by **GSWbandwagon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:52 am

LF75 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Exactly...Artest is a top20 player during his first months on a new team.

top 20? on a 15 player team?

there's 2 possible outcomes if we trade for artesticle. he plays well or he implodes a team built on effort and chemistry. if he implodes the team, damage is done. if he plays well then i don't trust management not to lock him up long term. i don't have a big issue with him being here this year (other than the fact that nellie would give him 5-10 of andris' center minutes every night) but i don't want him here long term. we've got just the right amount of crazy as is. i don't trust warriors management on this.

think of artesticle as a nuclear power plant. a soviet nuclear power plant. in the short run a nuclear power plant is likely to yield good results. but if you're counting on it in the long run you can't have generally inept management like we have had. this is especially true because its an old soviet version which means it wasn't built quite right and hasn't exactly been maintained. this thing could blow any minute and we'd be putting homer simpson at the controls.

oh, and i wouldn't give up a 1st round pick. they can have a 2nd rounder. i'd give up a top 20 protected 2009 1st rounder which reverts to a 2nd round pick otherwise. unless we think we're gonna win the title i wouldn't pay much for a 2-3 month rental.

bynumsbreakout · Post #11 » by **bynumsbreakout** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:00 am

LF75 wrote:Artest for the TE....

kings will make this deal if they can't find a better offer...book it.

So the kings hand Artest to the W's, arguably their biggest rival and division competitor for absolutely nothing? Not a chance, they would keep him the rest of the year and let him opt out if they couldn't find young talent or a 1st...book it.

Sid the Squid · Post #12 » by **Sid the Squid** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 am

The kings are competing for the division?

St.Nick · Post #13 » by **St.Nick** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:07 am

thetrueth wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

the clock resets when he gets to a new team.

If only insanity worked like that

I think the clock starts and stops when his bi-polarism tells it to.

St.Nick · Post #14 » by **St.Nick** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:07 am

[quote="GSWbandwagon"][/quote]

That post was pretty much 100% correct.

bynumsbreakout · Post #15 » by **bynumsbreakout** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:15 am

LF75 wrote:The kings are competing for the division?

Does it matter? I can't see them dealing with anyone from the pacific division unless they completely rip off the other team, which is obviously not the case here.

Post #16 » by **GSWbandwagon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:49 am

i don't understand this division competitor thing. its not just this instance but every instance. this isn't mlb or the nfl, who cares what division someone is in? you play everyone in your division 4 times in 82 games. that's it. same as most teams in other divisions in the same conference. only two more times than teams in the east.

i want the warriors to do what helps our franchise the most. i don't care who we have to deal with to get that done. well, maybe the flakers because i hate them but that's just an emotional thing. the suns have dominated the pacific the last few years. if i'm the kings and the suns want artest and give up an expiring contract and atlanta's pick, i do it. who cares if the suns are in the same division? you have a chance at a solid 1st round pick and phx's competitive timeline is totally different than yours.

back to sac and the warriors. if sac can get more assets from the warriors than other teams, they should deal with the warriors. what does sac care if the warriors improve this season? sac isn't going anywhere this year anyway.

bynumsbreakout · Post #17 » by **bynumsbreakout** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:08 am

GSWbandwagon wrote:

if i'm the kings and the suns want artest and give up an expiring contract and atlanta's pick, i do it. who cares if the suns are in the same division? you have a chance at a solid 1st round pick and phx's competitive timeline is totally different than yours.

This is exactly my point. Getting expirings and a potential lottery pick is one thing, trading straight up for a trade exception is a completely different story. How does that make the kings better? It also isn't good for PR when you trade someone who has the potential to significantly improve a rival, while only receiving literally "thin air" as compensation.

For example, it didn't go over very well with fans when the lakers traded Shaq to Miami(who was not a rival at the time), when that trade resulted in a championship for them, even though the lakers had no plans for competing and ended up in the lottery that same year. If Mitch trades Shaq to Sac that year and they win, he would be lynched.

bay2hk · Post #18 » by **bay2hk** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:10 am

bynumsbreakout wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So the kings hand Artest to the W's, arguably their biggest rival and division competitor for absolutely nothing? Not a chance, they would keep him the rest of the year and let him opt out if they couldn't find young talent or a 1st...book it.

So would Memphis give their best player pau gasol to the lakers for absolute nothing?

Wait they did :banghead:

TB · Post #19 » by TB » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:21 am

I really dont want to be a part of this trading frenzy in the west. Especially if it means getting involved by trading for mr. crazy himself. We alreay have sjax, thats enough. Why throw away future assets during a time when the west is more stacked than ever. Lets just fight to make the playoffs, hope for a hot streak, and see what happens.

This is where i differ from some people, im not comfortable with the playoffs yet. One year was not enough. By this i mean, im fine being a dangerous team in a stacked conference for a few years. I dont need to risk our future for a title contender right now. Lets get accustomed to the playoffs, lets the spurs, mavs, and suns fizzle out. Use barons expiring for some good young talent, and battle it out for the next 8 years or so with the blazers, hornets, jazz and lakers.

who knows, sometime before that we may just get lucky like last year and shock the world again.

bynumsbreakout · Post #20 » by **bynumsbreakout** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:24 am

bay2hk wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So would Memphis give their best player pau gasol to the lakers for absolute nothing?

Wait they did

Lakers offer was far superior to a trade exception, so if that's what you call "absolute nothing" than I would love to hear what your offer is to the Kings.

Expirings, prospects, multiple picks>>>>>>>>thin air from a division rival.