Warriors rely on the three-pointer
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:28 pm
Just thought this was an interesting article relating to Warriors strategy:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8713268
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8713268
Although it often looks as if the Warriors' offensive strategy is little more than first guy down the court gets to chuck it, Nelson makes clear there is strategy involved.
"It's just part of the way that we have to play," Nelson said.
He has his reasons.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:52 pm
One of our biggest problems is that we stand around on the perimeter WAY too much just waiting for a pass. Then Baron/Monta/Jax have to force either a drive or shot. I get that it keeps the lane open for the drives, but it hasn't really created for some outstanding passing or rotation on a consistent basis.
Its not so much about moving the ball as moving without the ball.
Its not so much about moving the ball as moving without the ball.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:53 pm
Thats why you have guys like Pietrus. He have sick cross over moves that leads to an easy dunk.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:59 pm
bballguy50 wrote:One of our biggest problems is that we stand around on the perimeter WAY too much just waiting for a pass.
I think this is kind of backwards. Baron and Jackson (sometimes Ellis) dribble the ball, looking to create and everyone stands around because they don't want to get in the way of their move.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:10 pm
Gimmick Ball = another 5.1 million for ODB in 08-09
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:17 pm
Hopper15 wrote:I think this is kind of backwards. Baron and Jackson (sometimes Ellis) dribble the ball, looking to create and everyone stands around because they don't want to get in the way of their move.
Yeah. That kind of falls in with it though. We stand around either way waiting for a kickout or to stay out of the way. We don't cut anywhere near as well as we should.
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:30 pm
bballguy50 wrote:One of our biggest problems is that we stand around on the perimeter WAY too much just waiting for a pass.
I agree. Mullin was great without the ball, I've got to think he's flummoxed at the Warriors being so stagnant sometimes. I think Nellie has recognized it as well - one of his big stated reasons for the failed Webber experiment.
bballguy50 wrote:Its not so much about moving the ball as moving without the ball.
They need both.
Abyss Impact wrote:Thats why you have guys like Pietrus.
Though this has been less of a problem lately, Pietrus was one of the worst offenders - no matter what was going on on offense, he'd run to the little space between the arc and the sideline and just stand there.
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:57 am
Also in the news today, the sun is hot!
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:04 am
Good 3point shooting covers up weaknesses a team might have in other areas. It's not rocket science.
The Warriors are good at shooting them and for the most part balancing the thin line between just enough and too many. The only ones I don't like are the lazy ones where there isn't any flow and they just shoot it for the sake of shooting it.
The Warriors are good at shooting them and for the most part balancing the thin line between just enough and too many. The only ones I don't like are the lazy ones where there isn't any flow and they just shoot it for the sake of shooting it.
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:20 am
One game that we should all look back on is the Boston-Golden State game where Baron hit that game winner.
The Warriors had a streak of over 100 games where they made 5 or more 3pt attempts. That streak came to an end against the Celtics but we still won. We outrebounded Boston and we only made 4 three pointers.
The Warriors had a streak of over 100 games where they made 5 or more 3pt attempts. That streak came to an end against the Celtics but we still won. We outrebounded Boston and we only made 4 three pointers.
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:14 am
I really wish the Warriors had at least one guy who was a natural, dead-eye three point shooter... a Mike Miller.
Re: Warriors rely on the three-pointer
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:19 pm
Twinkie defense wrote:Just thought this was an interesting article relating to Warriors strategy:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8713268
Although it often looks as if the Warriors' offensive strategy is little more than first guy down the court gets to chuck it, Nelson makes clear there is strategy involved.
"It's just part of the way that we have to play," Nelson said.
He has his reasons.
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:51 am
I'm glad you're behind Nellie on this one.
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:18 pm
Twinkie defense wrote:I'm glad you're behind Nellie on this one.
Are you getting confused or something?
I have not been crusading against Nellie this season. I have had specific criticisms about how some players have been handled on and off the court, but I've also consistently been supportive of some of the coach's decisions and methods as well. You can't "marginalize"
me as a Nellie hater because it's not true.
I've "hated" not seeing the bigger players on the roster trusted to make more of a contribution more often. I've "hated" not seeing a consistent starting unit allowed to gel and give us a better chance at strong starts in games. Those are both reasonable and valid criticism. There is plent of room to argue both sides of those quesitons with facts and rational analysis. I could be right, I could be wrong, but me disagreeing with coaches decisions on two specific issues of concern doesn't eaqual foaming at the mouth hatred. And considering how we've lost the games that we have lost? I've got a leg and a half to stand on.
Unless you're such a sphincter nuzzling homer as to believe that any criticism at all constitutes hate.
I've been the only person here who has consistently defended and understod the goals of our defensive approach.
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:26 pm
I don't think the Warriors rely upon the 3 point shot so much as only seems to "control" a game when they make a strong percentage of their nightly, obscenely high number of attempts, many of which are taken in lieu of taxing the defense at all or exerting thought or energy on the part of Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, or Al Harrington. Nor do they rely upon it in close games they have characteristically coughed up leads in or played manic catch-up in after starting like a WNBA team on Spring Break so much as have no other means of effecting game outcome than to hoist and pray.
But reliance is too strong a word , in my opinion.
But reliance is too strong a word , in my opinion.
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:46 am
Sleepy51 wrote:Twinkie defense wrote:I'm glad you're behind Nellie on this one.
Are you getting confused or something?
I have not been crusading against Nellie this season... You can't "marginalize" me as a Nellie hater because it's not true.
Fair enough, my bad. I think you're a pretty fair-minded, relatively agenda-less poster, punctuated by periodic bouts of snatch-kicking and waxing metaphorical on vaginas.
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:31 pm
Can we change the thread title to "Warriors rely on 'silly shots'" per the ESPN/AP coverage? Homer- you like to clip and scavenge, I'm surprised ou haven't updated your archives with this one yet:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280329007
Baron Davis, who led the Warriors with 28 points, misfired twice on 3-pointers in the final minute.
The Warriors pulled to 109-106 on a breakaway slam dunk by Ellis with 3:13 left, setting the stage for a frenetic finish.
Golden State overcame a double-digit deficit and took an 86-83 lead on Kelenna Azubuike's basket late in the third quarter. The Warriors suddenly looked in complete control at that point but started taking silly shots from all over and wouldn't score again for 6 minutes.
By then, the Nuggets had reeled off a 15-0 run.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280329007
Baron Davis, who led the Warriors with 28 points, misfired twice on 3-pointers in the final minute.
The Warriors pulled to 109-106 on a breakaway slam dunk by Ellis with 3:13 left, setting the stage for a frenetic finish.
Golden State overcame a double-digit deficit and took an 86-83 lead on Kelenna Azubuike's basket late in the third quarter. The Warriors suddenly looked in complete control at that point but started taking silly shots from all over and wouldn't score again for 6 minutes.
By then, the Nuggets had reeled off a 15-0 run.