What would you give up for Brand?

[Mylie10]

"I hope they make it," Brand said of the Warriors. "I've got a lot of friends over there, so I'm rooting for them. I wasn't rooting for them tonight. I was trying to get a win, but now our game is done with, and I hope they make it."


did not know this^^^ but at the end of last nights game he and Baron really had a good talk. There was genuine good feelings there.

For us to get Brand he would really have to want to come here. He'll state publically how much he likes his current team, but down deep he probably has a list of teams he'd like to play for.

What would you guys give up to get Brand?

Would you give up resigning Beans in order to sign Elton?

Would you trade Baron for him?

Would he want to come here in a sign and trade if Baron wasn't on the team?

Also heard that Lebron really thinks Defin Harris is a special young player and before the Dallas trade Lebron was intrigued with the Mavs. Now that Harris has been dealt, Lebron may be thinking of the Nets because of Harris and also because of the move to Brooklyn. The Knciks are on his list because of the big apple affect.

I wonder if Lebron could be courted by Monta? To me Monta is far superior to Harris. If Bron thinks Harris is one of the top young PG's then he has to think Monta is in that catagory.

If I'm Monta, I'm tryin to get in his Five. For that matter he should be tryin to get in Elton's Five also.

[turk3d]

I was considering a deal for him which would have involved a "straight up" trade for Baron as the central piece of maybe an even bigger deal, but after watching him last night, I don't think he's the same player he was before getting injured. As a result I think it might be too risky to do that trade. However, after reading what was just posted, if he really was interested in coming here, why doesn't he just exercise his "opt-out" clause? In this way, we could just sign him to a deal and then sign Monta and Beans (who just might be willing to to accept a little less) and the FO gives in to going into luxland. If Brand did this, then perhaps we could deal a few players to them (namely Al + whatever), even might throw in our pick this season and the FO could pony up so that maybe they go into luxland for a year if they have to in order to get a team which could really contend for a ring next year:

Monta/Bukie/Belinelli
Baron/Would need to pick up a point (MLE or FA) or use our #1 pick. There'd be a lot of guys who would want to play for this team.
Jack/Barnes/Bellinelli
Brand/Wright/#14 pick?
Biedrens/Brand/Kosta or POB

Brand opts for a 1 year deal, with the promise that the following year (when Foyle's off the books) we sign him long term if his health holds up. Might be worth it for a shot at a ring. If one year, he would also be a FA so he could sign somewhere else if he wished. Interesting possibility.

[Abyss Impact]

no, we already have Brandan Wright.

[gswhoops]

no, we already have Brandan Wright.

That's like saying "We don't need Dwight Howard, we already have Biedrins."

[mistatwo mayn]

I would give up any player on the roster for Brand...

I wonder what our cap hold is prior to trying to sign him? I would love to just sign him str8 up....

Can we offer him 15 million str8 up?

[gswhoops]

To the OP, I'd do Baron + Harrington +#14 for Brand + Maggette. Resign Ellis, Biedrins and Azubuike and we'd be golden.

Biedrins/Perovic
Brand/Wright
Jackson/Azubuike
Maggette/Belinelli
Ellis/Duhon (MLE)

[Abyss Impact]

-= original quote snipped =-




That's like saying "We don't need Dwight Howard, we already have Biedrins."

Not really, Brand lost his step a little after the injury. You can't say that for Howard. I'd take Howard but not Brand

[_Chip_5]

I think the question becomes, who do the Clippers want from our lineup? I don't think they would want many of our players. I guess they may take some group of players like Ellis, perhaps Jackson and Harrington along with some players like Biedrins and Wright for Brand. I also do not like the idea of trading Baron for Brand. We already have the young potential in Biedrins, Wright, POB, and a draft pick to get us some more help in the front court. I think the team has a bigger need to find another PG than a big.

[turk3d]

Using you logic _Chip (are you sure you're a Warriors fan, if you are then you must be getting paid by the Clippers FO), then Orlando should give us Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu for Baron simply because those are the "only players we like on their team" or that Dallas should give us Dirk, Josh Howard and Jason Kidd for the same reason, or the Lakers should give us Kobe, Lamar Odom and Gasol or .... You say that you don't believe that Brand is worth Baron straight up, but now you say that he's worth all those other players combined? You can't be serious now, can you?

[Abyss Impact]

I'd take Kobe Odom and Gasol for Baron

[giberish]

What would you guys give up to get Brand?

Would you give up resigning Beans in order to sign Elton?

No, and even if I would, it wouldn't clear enough room

Would you trade Baron for him?

Yes, although I thinks Baron's worth a little more at this point. I'd probably do Baron +Harrington for Brand + Mobley + T'Wolves future 1st.

Would he want to come here in a sign and trade if Baron wasn't on the team?

I don't see a sign and trade thing happening. I would expect a trade and extend move (like the KG deal) instead.

I wonder if Lebron could be courted by Monta? To me Monta is far superior to Harris. If Bron thinks Harris is one of the top young PG's then he has to think Monta is in that catagory.

This seems like a reach It would also mean building a team around Monta (and likely Beans) with everyone else coming off the books for the 2010 offseason. For the Knicks it makes some sense to burn two years as they don't have any other prospects and they have a better chance of getting him as a FA.

[turk3d]

I'd prefer Maguette (which I think we'd realistically have a shot) who at least we know can get to the line rather than Mobley (too much of a chucker for me and is another lousy defender which we don't need).

[FNQ]

If the Clippers trade Brand, the only pieces we have to trade to them is Wright.. thats it. Salary wise, the only way they can get him is by taking Jax/Harrington or Baron...

But, if we go up to MEM, offer our TPE for Collins (6 m exp) we can make a deal of Harrington / Collins / Wright for Brand. Which wouldnt be too bad, except we'd be paper thin, again...

Think of the position we could be in here... a 7' coming into his 3rd year, a rookie coming off a year where he helped a near - playoff team.. we actually could have trade chips this offseason. Instead we have a free agent and whats perceived as a really green rookie.

Any flexibility this offseason that we could have had has been erased. Man that got me thinking... what team usually stands completely PAT in the offseason and just continues to make, not succeed in the playoffs?



But anyways.. the question becomes would I trade for Brand, and the answer is no.

[turk3d]

I would, but only if we got a deal which is very favorable to us. I haven't really see any deals posted (other than mine) which were deals I'd consider favorable to us. Practically all of them are suggesting we go into a rebuild mode. Why would we want to do that, which would be essentially to switch positions with the Clippers (they become a playoff contender and we go back into rebuild mode)? Especially when we are just 1 or 2 pieces from being a serious contender and if we play our cards right, we will be in a strong position fiscally the year after next when mosto of our big contracts expire? I think we can wind up in a pretty good position (even if we don't get into the playoffs this season) with potential for a pretty desirable draft pick. If you have a problem with a long term commitment to Baron, then risk letting him opt, worst case we save a big chunk of salary next season but more likely (as most have said), he's going to come back since it's unlikely that he'll get any major long term offers (especially if we don't get into the playoffs).

It's I think a similar situation to the one we faced in trying to acquire KG, if we give up one of top 3, it makes it less desirable for any superstar to want to want to come over here and practically eliminates the liklihood that they might even take a salary hit for a year (with the prospect of us having the means to give them a "big" deal in the future when all that salary comes off the books with prospects to play "Nellieball" and perhaps secure a ring. Players (especially veteran players) sometimes will sacrifice salary for what they perceive to be a "good" opportunity. You never know.

[FNQ]

I dont think any player in the NBA is going to come here, taking a small deal, and thinking that he can play Nellieball and secure a ring

It could and probably would attract more names here.... but wouldnt we be in the same situation? Doesnt Nellie have to make sure they are "Nellie" players? The fact is, those D-leaguers and waiver wire heaps he picks up are his legacy, making somethin outta nothing. You could give the guy a blank check, he'd double his salary and sign the Jam over to the Warriors.

[giberish]

I'd prefer Maguette (which I think we'd realistically have a shot) who at least we know can get to the line rather than Mobley (too much of a chucker for me and is another lousy defender which we don't need).

I'm not that fond of Maguette, and I'd want a good secondary ballhandler at sg next to Monta.

I'd rather take Mobley + a 1st round pick then give up a 1st for Maguette (which is a roughly equal trade value comparison).

[turk3d]

You know, you may be right as Nellie has shown himself to be about as stubborn as they come. But, you have to at least hope that the possibility exists that he may finally wake up to the reality that his "legacy" whatever that is, is about to come to end fairly soon (definitely sooner than later), and he's really going to have just one more shot to accomplish what really is the only thing he hasn't accomplished in his long and distinguished career. He's got a bit of a problem in his quest for the Hall, which became apparent in his not being elected this year, NO NBA COACH HAS EVER GOTTEN INTO THE HALL WHO DIDN'T WIN A RING WHILE COACHING.

His playing has not impacted whatsoever his hall qualifications (he was a scrub during his playing days), it would be like saying that Mike Dunleavy or Rick Adelman's playing career should give them points for entering the hall. Even Riley, who already entered the hall (deservedly so) his playing career had nothing to do whatsoever in getting him there. Same goes for Phil Jackson (who actually had a better playing career, might have been a starter for a year or 2). Perhaps Mullin if he goes on to have a distinguished management career, his playing days might contribute to his entry some day. but that's pretty much it.

Since it looks as though he's going to come up short this year, and is likely coming back to give it one more go, if he's serious about it, he's going to have to make some adjustments, providing Mullin's not going to be stupid enough to destroy this teams future in order to provide Nellie with whatever he says he need to make a run next year, and I don't think Nellie's going to let Mullin go back into rebuild mode (nor do I think that Mullin's going to go that route anyway) as long as Nellie is at the helm and since Management (and Mullin) have committed to him next year, I think it's likely he's going to give it once more go. Hopefully Mullin will be able to convince him what is right and best not just for next year, but for the franchise overall.

I really think that it's time for Mullin to step up big time and show us what he's made of, he gave Nellie (although not completely) his way for the most part with personnel decisions and it basically didn't work. Now it's time for things to change. That's what I ho-e happens. I don't think there is a better coach out there for us with the personnel we now have than Nellie, providing he makes the adjustments necessary to get us playing the best we can.

[_Chip_5]

Using you logic _Chip (are you sure you're a Warriors fan, if you are then you must be getting paid by the Clippers FO), then Orlando should give us Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu for Baron simply because those are the "only players we like on their team" or that Dallas should give us Dirk, Josh Howard and Jason Kidd for the same reason, or the Lakers should give us Kobe, Lamar Odom and Gasol or .... You say that you don't believe that Brand is worth Baron straight up, but now you say that he's worth all those other players combined? You can't be serious now, can you?

The Clippers are set for next season. I don't think they want to mess it up either. They have a strong lineup. The problem for them this year was what killed the Hornets last season - injuries. I think that they are high on Livingston still. Kaman had a big season this year. They have a high lottery pick. I don't think they are looking to make these types of trades. It would take A LOT to get Elton Brand. There is nobody to replace Baron Davis on either the Warriors or the Clippers. Perhaps Livingston, but I don't think he'd be able to fill Baron's shoes. So the trade would probably need to include something like Monta Ellis and Brandan Wright and maybe Al Harrington for Elton Brand which would be my trade proposal as a Warriors GM while willing to add in a first round pick. But still I am not sure if they want to make such a big trade, so they would probably ask for more. And I am not sure if we should offer more than that.

[turk3d]

Well I'm sure that we wouldn't do anything like. The Clips are NOT SET for next season. 3 of the top starters (which you mentioned) will be coming off serious injuries next year (Brand, Kaman and Livingston) and a 4th (Maguette) is a FA and likely will be bolting. So to say that the Clips have it all figured out for next season, is not only ridiculous, but has not merit whatsoever and no ryhme or reason to it, other than your opinion.

Brand is no more important a piece to us than Baron and is more of a risk (before his injury). In watching him play last night, I am not convinced a) that he's fully recovered and b) that he'll be the same player he was before the injury so a far as trading him for Baron after seriously considering it, I think I'd rather not unless I can get him somehow without giving up Monta, Biedrens or Baron, all guys who have had solid years, no serious injuries and played the entire year as did Brand. I am very confident in our team next year that if we just stood pat, we'd be ahead of the Clips in the standings so in no way would I want to reverse that by giving them 2 of our top 3 players.

[killacalijatt]

Maybe we can contend now.
By keeping Baron, Ellis
and trading for Brand without including those two in particular.

Sending Al to them
send Crapin Jack and POB to Toronto while they send Bargs or Ford to Clippz.
We send Al and (Beans or Wright) along with are first and Marco.
We get Brand

Baron
Ellis
Brand

is all we need to contend.
F the Cap
F the Coach
F the owner