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What Went Wrong (long)

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:40 am
by pointman
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Missing Parts

Warriors made history last season by defeating the No. 1 seeded Mavericks and Mullin banked on bring back as many key pieces as possible to relive the magic for this season. All but one of the eight guys that played heavily down last year's stretch run and in the playoffs returned. A key piece that didn't return was Jason Richardson, but we seemed to be deep enough in the swingman department to overcome his lost production and spirit.

Although Mullin came up big with the Brandan Wright trade, he did not adequately address the key flaw in our roster which was exposed in the 2nd Round vs. the Utah Jazz - the lack of a physical presence in the paint that could battle against the Boozers, Duncans, and Amares of the West. Our roster wasn't even tough enough to handle the undersized athletic PF's either like Landry, Milsap, Thornton, and Maxiell. Al Harrington was the primary starter at PF with Pietrus, Barnes, Croshere and a few others taking turns trying to hold down the fort. Al's a good offensive player, but has proven throughout his career that he cannot defend the class of PF's that needed to be held in check in order for the Warriors to succeed. The almost nightly disparity in rebounds and points in the paint illustrate this point clearly. Teams would beat us consistantly in the half-court set by pounding it in the inside, grabbing offensive rebounds, and punishing the smaller Warrior frontline.

Croshere was supposed to give help at the PF position, but his chronic back problems didn't allow him to be utilized in the manner envisioned. When available, however, he proved that he was no longer able to play at as high a level that is necessary to have the impact on the boards and in the paint at both ends of the floor.

Another missing piece from the Warriors' roster was a backup to Baron that Nelson could trust to hand the game over to when Baron needed a rest. The ancient Troy Hudson was brought in for the vet minimum, but he soon fell by the wayside due to chronic hip pain that will likely force him to retire. Even when healthy, he never really was able to play with any degree of effectiveness.

Having no prototypical PF and no backup PG contributed mightily to this year's struggles in the end.


Undeveloped Bench

The Warriors have players that can contribute in areas that they struggle in (rebounding, blocks, post scoring, and backup guard-play. Problem is they were deemed not ready to contribute and saw very little playing time which derailed their development process and stunted their growth.
CJ Watson, a call-up dominating the D-League, would have been an adequate reliever for Baron a few minutes per game. He played like a vet his first game as a Warrior (vs. Trail Blazers). He was eventually signed on for the rest of the year, but despite the growing concerns for Baron's wear and tear, Nelson did not take the opportunity to play Watson and kill two birds with one stone - develop Watson into a better PG and get Baron some much needed rest. He has a 2.00 assist to turnover ratio (2nd best on team), a knack for stealing the ball, able to finish attacking the rim, and 3-point range. It would seem that all his skills would be good enough to allow him to get on the floor and be worthy of developing now and for the future.

Patrick O'Bryant, all 7' of him, does what the Warriors so desperately need - rebound, defense in the paint, and block shots. On top of that, he can pass, shoot from mid-range, and score in the post. Biedrins could have used a partner at the 5 spot other than the under-sized Harrington. O'Bryant would have been a great player to throw out there when the opposing team began to do lay-up drills in the middle of a game. He showed that he had turned a corner in his development beginning in training camp, into preseason, and early in the season. After his best game as a pro (vs. Clippers) in which he helped the team win with his defense and rebounding, the Warriors cut their 2nd round draft pick, Stephane Lasme, and signed D.J. Mbenga and mysteriously, the O'Bryant development plan was cast aside. Sure looks like we could have used him down the stretch. Had he continued to get the same minutes he was receiving early in the season, O'Bryant would have been able to make an impact and be one of our best bets to stop the opposing teams' scoring runs. Instead, we watch helplessly as early leads disappear, turn into double digit deficits, and finally end in losses that could have been prevented. The Warriors had an opportunity to develop another weapon but ignored the progress O'Bryant was making and decided to go with vets with only half the chance of succeeding.

Same goes with Brandon Wright. He's obviously a raw amazing talent (ranked #3 in his prep class behind Howard and Durant) that could have helped us tremendously with his disruptive length and agility. But for whatever reason, he stuck to the bench while the likes of Barnes, Croshere, Webber, Harrington, and Pietrus manned the middle with limited success. Undersized, under skilled, and ill-equip at times, Nellie would continue to go to the vets no matter how bad they were while Wright waited silently and patiently learning from the sidelines. Learn by doing is the best approach to getting better, but Wright was never really given a fair amount of opportunities to be able to develop in time for a stretch playoff run. Whenever he did manage to sneak into the game, his energy and length often sparked emotions, scoring runs, bothered shots, and made the opposing teams think twice about driving to the hoop. Sadly, a good game by Wright was never rewarded with additional playing time.

Marco Belinelli, the Italian sharpshooter that destroyed Team USA in the World Championships and wowed the Las Vegas Summerleague crowds with his shooting exhibitions, saw very little real-game experience as well. Belinelli was clearly the best 3 point shooter on the team in a team that loves to chuck it from deep. His defense needs work, but there were plenty of opportunities to stick him in the lineup for 3 to 5 min. stretches while surrounding him with the teams' best help defenders. The longer he sat, the less confident he became. He went from possible starting SG for the opening game, to garbage time scrub. I had high hopes that Belinelli would be able to help the team immediately, but boy was I wrong - Nelson made sure of it by not letting him see much court-time at all.

With no developed bench, the rotation shortens, options decrease, and fatigue (mental and physical) eventually do you in. Although we learned our lesson from last year. Guess not.



Overworked Stars

One of the big reasons we lost to the Utah Jazz in the 2nd Round of the Playoffs last year was because we were unable to sustain the breakneck pace required for Nellie-ball to work. Speed, defensive switches, deflections, harassing one-on-one defense, and digging in the paint are hallmarks to Nellie-ball defense. Unfortunately, playing at such a fast pace and with such intensity requires twice as much energy than usual.

Because of the limited options coming off the bench along with Nelson's borderline irrational distrust of the bench and young talent, the starters, namely Davis, Jackson, and Ellis, were forced to play nearly 40 min. per night over the entire season. They all looked great early in the season. In fact, they were playing so well, that there was talk that Davis and Jackson could make the All-Star game. Times were great, the Warriors looked like sure playoff participants, but after the All-Star break, fatigue started to rear its ugly head and production from the two vets begin spiraling downward. Only Ellis, with his young legs and boundless energy, was able to consistently contribute throughout all four quarters of games. Their vets' struggles meant lost leads, meant flat 4th quarters, meant Warrior losses, meant fighting tooth and nail for a playoff spot, to finally sitting at home waiting for the lottery.

Had there been more attention paid to the importance of resting the Big 3 (a specified rotation and rest periods), we would have most likely had enough gas in the tank to comfortably make the playoffs and enough in the reserves to make some noise in the first two rounds. I don't buy the argument that playing the bench more would have lost us games. There were many instances where Baron and Jackson were so gassed that putting in fresh bench players would have been more beneficial to the team than having tired legs settle for jumpers and play lackadaisical defense. The starters were the ones that lost leads and dug holes. Nelson should have tried harder to conserve Baron and Jackson's minutes by playing the bench more and try to find a spark of energy. If it got worse, than pull them out and go back to the vets - but at least give it a shot!

Baron's Nov. Stats: 24.1 ppg, 8.4 apg, 2.9 to, 43% fg, 34% 3pt
Baron's Apr. Stats: 19.7 ppg, 6.7 apg, 3.8 to, 39% fg, 29% 3pt
Jackson's Nov. Stats: 21.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 43% fg, 33% 3pt
Jackson's Apr. Stats: 11.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 29% fg, 21% 3pt



Gambles That Didn't Pay Off

The Warriors tried to bring back as much of the roster as possible from last year but understandably, had to sacrifice Richardson for the future of the team. Mullin succeeded in returning 7 of the 8 main rotation players responsible for the magical run of 2007. Overall, the team was very young, so Mullin filled out the roster with veterans.

Austin Croshere and Troy Hudson started the year off with the Warriors. They were both seen as players way past their primes, but they were experienced, they had the ability to hit the 3 pointer, and best of all, they were cheap. We were able to get a few quality games from Croshere, but overall, his injuries and inconsistent play contributed little to the Warriors' success. Troy Hudson was a disaster. From the get go, it was apparent that he did not fit. He wasn't fast enough, wasn't able to control the tempo or run the teams offense effectively, and worst of all, could not do what he was brought in to do - score so Baron could get some rest. Like Croshere, injuries caught up to Hudson and his chronic hip injuries forced him to call it quits for the season (most likely for good).

It's unclear why Mullin decided to scrap the Patrick O'Bryant development program immediately following his best pro game vs. the Clippers....but he did with the signing of D.J. Mbenga. Mbenga was brought in for his size, interior defense, and not much else. He took virtually all of O'Bryant's minutes and when he was on the court, was more of a liability than an asset because of his bad hands and limited offensive game. Smartly, Mullin did not sign him for the remainder of the year and the gamble to bring in this big to replace O'Bryant failed.

On to the next gamble - and it's a big one. Chris Webber!!!! On paper, it looked like a very questionable move. Webber had been away from the game for several months, his knees were in bad shape, and he didn't fit the run 'n gun style the Warriors played. Mullin and company were banking on his passing and outside shooting to make up for his lack of mobility. He was still a decent rebounder and defender in the post - at least as good as anyone currently on the roster anyway. As if to say "we don't have much time with this guy," Nelson thrusted Webber into the starting lineup soon after his arrival. This decision messed with team chemistry and might have cost us a few games in the process. Sadly, however, after just 9 games, his knees did not let him to ever get it going. We saw him for a handful of games, but it was over before it started when Webber got shelved in for swollen knees, never to return.

You win some, you lose some, but all of Mullin's moves to bring in veterans to steady the ship have ended up falling short. Not only did the Webber experiment end up in failure, it gave the Warriors a false sense of security around the trade deadline that perhaps lulled them into thinking they have done enough to improve their team and insure a spot in the playoffs.



Assets Gained from Richardson Trade Not Cashed In

Although Richardson was my favorite player, I was extremely happy when I heard that the Warriors have finally traded for a big man in Brandan Wright. We now had an athletic big man that could run with the rest of the Warriors - perfect for Nellie-ball. In addition, the Warriors got a $10 million Trade Exception that could be used to facilitate deals to acquire additional help. Monta Ellis would be able to take on a larger role and emerge as a star and a lot of money would be freed up to resign key players such as Ellis and Beidrins. I figured there would be an initial period where the loss of Richardson would hurt the team, but by mid-season, Brandan Wright would start to pay dividends if developed properly and given a chance to play meaningful minutes along the way.

Needless to say, this did not happen. Nelson made a commitment early on to rely heavily on the veterans to carry them to the playoffs. Wright was brought along very slowly and when he did manage to get in a show some flashes of promise, he was not rewarded with additional playing time. Nelson had a plan, and by golly, he was not going to deviate from it.

The Warriors were looking like a playoff team around the trade deadline. They were hovering around the 7th and 8th seed with the 5th seed clearly within striking distance. They just made the big Webber signing so Mullin did not opt to use the $10 million Trade Exception to bring in additional firepower. They thought they had enough to make it -close, but no cigar.



Down Years for Returning Rotation Players

A big part of why the bench was ineffective was not only the lack of development from the young and talented group on the roster, but because of the bad years that two of the original 7 returning rotation players from 2007 had. Pietrus and Barnes were brought back in order to solidify the bench and give Nelson firepower when his starters are struggling or needed a rest. They provided reliable help on the boards, defense, and scoring last year. This year was not the case.

Prior to joining the Warriors, Barnes was considered a journeyman struggling to stick with a team. He played with great energy and passion throughout last year, coming up big in the post season when some of the regulars could not perform. It was unclear as to whether he played out of his mind last season or if he had finally figured it out so the Warriors declined to sign him to a long-term deal and resigned him for 1 year in order to see if he could repeat his impressive season. This year he was both crippled with the death of his mother and his game came back down to earth. Just when you would think he was snapping out of the funk by having a decent game, he would follow it up with another bad one. He struggled to get playing time all year long and was in Nellie's doghouse because he could not be counted on to help the team. Barnes' inability to recapture the magic of last season was a huge reason why our bench was so ineffective.

Mickael Pietrus suffered the same letdown as Barnes. The reason seemed to be centered around his unhappiness with his role on the team and the desire to be traded to a team that would give him a long term deal. He played poorly much of the year, but after the trade deadline, he turned out impressive games that reminded us just how valuable he was to this team. Pietrus was back to his old self but the resurgence was cut short by a groin strain and hamstring that sidelined him for much of the important stretch run that proved to be a critical stretch of games that would determine our playoff fortunes. Unfortunately, he could not make it back in time to help the team finish strong.

With Richardson gone, the idea was to rely more on Pietrus and Barnes to make up for lost rebounds and scoring. They were also counted on to play some PF, but unfortunately, they could not step up to the challenge. This resulted in a shorter rotation and contributed to the heavy minutes given to Jackson and indirectly to Davis who was forced to stay in longer because games usually came down to the wire.

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:58 am
by Sid the Squid
I didnt read through it all, but I noticed the Webber remark..Why do you say the warriors took a big gamble on him?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:08 am
by pointman
LF75 wrote:I didnt read through it all, but I noticed the Webber remark..Why do you say the warriors took a big gamble on him?


It was a big gamble in the sense that the Warriors felt like they did enough to insure making the playoffs with the Webber aquisition and didn't have to make any more roster adjustments by the trade deadline. Webber had a history of knee problems and had been out of the game for several months. It was also clear that he could not run with the team anymore, but rather had to rely on his passing and outside shooting to help. They gambled that he would be that one last missing piece, but we only got to use him for 9 games.

It was their BIG move, but it didn't work out.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:23 am
by mistatwo mayn
i disagree.... reason we lost out is not because of big men.... (we actually half-ass addressed the big man situation... at least long term). This team was short in the SG backup position.

The irony; this small ball team needed another guard.

Say what?

Buke sucked. CJ sucked. Pietrus-pietrued. Barnes... I really feel for him. I hope he doesn't become an alcoholic.... anyhow.... there are no guards on this team besides the big 3.

Last season the guard rotation included 4 guards (Baron-Stack-Monta-Jrich). That loss of depth there hurt the squad.

Nellie planned on using Wright. I think I'm alone here on this one (anyone remember Wright's first point? I was at the game!)

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:29 am
by Sid the Squid
A 1st Ballot bashing? Way to go MM!!

I think our gaurd depth destroyed Nellie's gimmick ball in the end....We could really us Eric Gordon..What a great addition this kid would be...He's ready to contribute..This kid has a great NBA gaurd body..He's skilled...Mulson will move up to get their guy..

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:41 am
by mistatwo mayn
I like Buke; he has a friendly face. He's really good at lifting weights. He can stroke it from time to time, but he doesn't have the balls required by Nellie. Nellie asks your balls drag on the floor from time to time. Buke's asset is to rebound. He's short armed too.

He does D up Kobe well though. Kobe likes the feel of another man behind him.

LF- this year's draft sucks. I like the Rudy Gay draft better.
Beasley looks about 5'6".

I don't trust a black kid named Mayo.... especially after watching UNDERCOVER BROTHER.

Rose... he showed some Tmac-Adam Morrison heart during the memphis meltdown.

Love looks good... but he has short arms? Needs to use the monkey bars.

Short arms =

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:36 am
by bill curley II
We're just not a very talented team. 3 of the top 4 options on offense are high volume shooters (Baron, Al, Jax are all ranked in the 20s at their positions in TS%), we have no rebounding or defense, and we have the worst bench out of the top 9 (even NO has Bonzi). As much as people like to bash on Nellie, he wasn't given a whole lot to work with, and no, POB wasn't going to do anything. He still looked terrible last night in limited action.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:01 am
by St.Nick
Didn't read that post. It needs to be edited for being so dang long (a good effort though).

Keep in mind that 49-50 wins gets you a #6 or #7 seed in most seasons. To go on and on about what went wrong or how we failed seems a bit silly.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:16 am
by pointman
St.Nick wrote:Didn't read that post. It needs to be edited for being so dang long (a good effort though).

Keep in mind that 49-50 wins gets you a #6 or #7 seed in most seasons. To go on and on about what went wrong or how we failed seems a bit silly.


50 wins is a great season but I honestly believe we could have been much better. I predict next season won't get any easier because the West is only going to get stronger.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:26 am
by St.Nick
The West gets stronger and we get stronger. The difference is that our young guys should improve while other teams are reliant upon older players to guide them.

Denver- AI and Camby get a year older
Houston- Execllent chance that TMac and Ming sustain injuries
Spurs- Cracks in the armor this season
Dallas- Near meltdown...Terry, Kidd, and Dirk get a year older
Phoenix- How will the Shaq experiment work over 82 games?

Portland will be better next season, the Clips will be better next season...but all WC teams have to play them so it will not impact us for the worse. Its just going to be a tough dog fight for the 8 seed again.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:38 am
by FNQ
Why is it silly to recognize this massive failure?

And yes, its massive, as its the absolute worst case scenario. We're playing down to the last day, ensuring that our young players will get at maximum 1, 1.5 games of really significant PT where they don't have to worry about getting yanked. We're on the outside looking in, and essentially all improvements (re: Monta) have been on the offensive side of the ball.

This gimmicky iso offense we have... has it really improved anyone else besides Tay? The only people to really have success with it were Baron/Tay/Jax, since they can pass off the dribble... but 2 of the 3 are relentless chuckers anyways... horrible personnel for this brand of ball.

The worst part is, a lot of our 'improvements' are merely cosmetic... take Monta as a PG for example. Now he can pass of the drive, and is great with drive and kick.... how many entry passes did he make this season? 5? How many times was the ball stolen when he tried to make an entry high or low pass?

Our whole premise was to perfect a mere sliver of the pie chart that is basketball... and we tried to do it w/only 3 people who were any good at it.

However... this whole season was based on the premise that we'd have cap room. So now we do. Tay and Beans need to be back. A move needs to be made w/Al, who's legs aren't getting younger.. some spending needs to be done.

Basketball memory should only be 6 months, max... I remember the series but what else? :dontknow: W's have a great offseason, and I'll be making :love: eyes at our FO going into 08-09...

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:50 am
by St.Nick
510Reggae wrote:Why is it silly to recognize this massive failure?

And yes, its massive, as its the absolute worst case scenario.


I stopped reading right at this point.

Such hyperbole simply can't be taken seriously.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:19 am
by turk3d
We had more depth at SG than any other position (even minus J-Rich).

Ellis logged most of the minutes but also backed up Baron a few minutes a game on average (another point guard would have helped)
Bukie - payed 2 early on in the season but was eventually moved to 4 and 3. Also a natural 2,
Pietrus - played almost exclusively 4 and 3.
Bellinelli - didn't play much, probably wasn't ready, but still a 2. One of the reasons he didn't play much (besides him being not ready) was due to so much depth at the position and they all were playing better than he was.
Jackson (yes Jack's been a SG most of his career and could have played there, remember he played 2 for us while J-Rich was out, Monta came off the bench). He even played some point for us last year, while Baron was out if you recall. Played almost exclusively 3 and some 4 for us this season, but definitely could have played 2 if Nellie had chosen to give him inutes there.

Conclusion - If Nellie would have used a more natural 4 and 5 from the begininning of the Season, Bukie, Pietrus and even Jackson (along with Ellis) would have given us all the depth at the 2 position. Belinelli might have even been able to contribute a little more I think one of the reasons that Nellie played all those guys out of position is because he intended to use Belinelli a lot more, and was trying to open up that position for him although it didn't work.

More Wright, more Biedrens (recall Nellie was giving him only 20-25 minutes a game at Center early on in the season) at the Power position, a little POB sprinkled into the Center position, and no need to use all of our 2's at the 3, 4 and even 5 on occasion. Nellie chose to make those guys forwards when they really are natural 2s.

So now what we need is another chucking 2? Wow. I'm sure Nellie'd be all for it.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:29 pm
by Manly35
Pointman hit every nail on the head ! Its everything I've been posting all season. I wish that we (the fans) could sit down with Nelson and Management and just "discuss" the shortcomings we see game in and game out. There are some very, very intelligent and astute fans out there that could give constructive criticism and possible answers to the problems the Ws have.
Good job Pointman ! Lets see if any of your/our concerns are addressed.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:15 pm
by Sleepy51
A lot of hay was made over our Dec-All Star Break run after Jack came back from suspension. We had one of the best records in the league through that period.

What was our record after the AS Break? How did that stack up to the rest of the league?

I think it's hard to call a season a success when the production, record and quality of play declines over the course of the season rather than improves. Good teams progress towards a peak come April and May, we seem to have bottomed out.

The record we put up this season is a winning record in the toughest conference. It's nothing to sneer at, but the progression of this season from beginning to end indicates some failures. If the team was capable of putting up the one of the best records in the league for seveal months, then the months where we didn't put up a strong record need to be given adequate consideration.

Why didn't the team sustain their level of play? Pointman hit on some plausible reasons. Maybe he's right maybe he's wrong, but if a team peaks in January and suffers a playoff cancelling collapse in the core of the competitive NBA season, for any reason other than a catastrophic injury, that is generally regarded as a pretty major failure.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:12 pm
by JimmyTD3
What went wrong (short):

We had a really good team, and are probably gonna finish 49-33. We just happen to be playing in the most stacked conference in NBA history. Oh well...

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:57 pm
by Sleepy51
It really seem to me like we had two almost completely different teams in the 1st half and 2nd half of the season. Not just the results, but the play changed after the AS Break. It's hard to reconcile the team that averaged about 15 competitive minutes a night for the last 3 weeks with the team that peaked against New Orleans playing what still stands out as the best NBA game this season in January.

Maybe the guys ran too much in offseason preparation. Maybe Baron's All Star campaign in the 1st half used up too much ammo. Maybe Jack is not a 40mpg athlete (duh.) Maybe you can't squeeze 82 consistent games out of retirees and one year temps with irregular roles, expectations and wildy varying minutes to contribute.

For a variety of reasons, it seems like we have ended this season with a worse team than we started with. That didn't happen to 8 other teams in our conference. I appreciate that we put up another winning record. As a fan, I'm grateful that my team was more watchable than not for the second year in a row. But also as a fan, I'm legitmately concerned that we fielded a team so shallow that we peaked in January, not May.

Leading the Indy 500 for the first 300 miles doesn't mean squat if you fall to the back of the pack for the last 200 miles because you forgot to bring a change of tires.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:21 pm
by thetrueth
510Reggae wrote:Why is it silly to recognize this massive failure?

And yes, its massive, as its the absolute worst case scenario.


Approach a 50 win season.... massive failure.

Free up financial constraints to keep Monta and Beans.... Massive failure.

Get a perfect young pf for our team....massive failure.

Be nearly equal games back of the 1st place western conference team as the the 2nd place Eastern Conference team (warriors 7.5 back of 1st, detroit the 2nd seed 7 back of 1st)..... massive failure.

get a stiffy everytime Bwright touches the floor..... priceless.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:04 pm
by turk3d
thetrueth wrote:Approach a 50 win season.... massive failure.


Not massive, but yes a failure (see Sleepy post)
Free up financial constraints to keep Monta and Beans.... Massive failure.

Maybe the biggest positive, but that's only dependent on what the FO does during this offseason, so yes if we trade either one of them and screwup the decent cap situation we've put ourselves into it pretty much wrecks the good results of the J-Rich trade if we get an overpriced vet which gives Nellie a shot his last year which then becomes a "one and done" and we go back to the lottery. Some of us are concerned that might happen.

Get a perfect young pf for our team....massive failure.

Depends on if use/keep him or not. He certainly would be nice trade bait that Nellie could use to get his "running" Power Forward/Center who can shoot. He could have helped us this season (who knows maybe could have made the 1 or 2 game difference we needed to make the playoffs) but he can't shoot from far enough for Nellie.
Be nearly equal games back of the 1st place western conference team as the the 2nd place Eastern Conference team (warriors 7.5 back of 1st, detroit the 2nd seed 7 back of 1st)..... massive failure.

It is a failure if you win 50 and can't get in the playoffs due to a choke job at the end of the season. It would be one thing if you've been doing it all season long (that is losing) and not winning big games but then when you get right to the end lose practically every big game you have and still just barely miss out. I think that would hold true for any team which "collapsed" they way we did, and that's without any significant injuries.
get a stiffy everytime Bwright touches the floor..... priceless.

And lose that stiffy almost immediately when the likes of Pietrus, Barnes and CJ come in (which was much more often than Wright "touching" the floor).

I think Sleepy pretty much put things in pretty good perspective for many of us:
For a variety of reasons, it seems like we have ended this season with a worse team than we started with. That didn't happen to 8 other teams in our conference. I appreciate that we put up another winning record. As a fan, I'm grateful that my team was more watchable than not for the second year in a row. But also as a fan, I'm legitmately concerned that we fielded a team so shallow that we peaked in January, not May.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:40 pm
by FNQ
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Textbook... I called it :clap:

Last year the fact that we were just a hot team rather than a good team, it didn't matter... "We made the playoffs"... that was the bottom line.

Now this year, we take a risk trying to make the playoffs instead of giving any time to our future... apparently, now just winning 45+ games is enough to satisfy people... reg. season wins mean -nothing- ... the goal was to win enough to make the playoffs, and we pulled out everything we could to get it - 40+ for our big 3 most of the time, playing people out of position to get any kind of mismatch, not really allowing any invested player (Wright/POB) develop... but miss the playoffs, and somehow that's not a failure? :roll:

Nick did the equivalent of clasping his hands over his ears... trueth just didn't even read the post obviously because everything he mentioned was addressed :lol: BTW, when I said the season was a failure, why did you list things that happened in our offseason? :dontknow:

Who cares if we opened up room for Ellis and Beans? They haven't inked anything yet... if both don't ink long term extensions (no QO for Beans) then strike up another failure... and who cares if we got Wright? We didnt play him, didnt develop him... the only positive about it is that if Nellie leaves, at least Wright didn't get used to gimmick ball.... players like Tay and Buke will have to be fixed to actually play the game right..

None of this would be that alarming if a few teams weren't set for the immediate future (Spurs, Suns), a few long term well built teams (LAL, Utah, NO), one unpredictable team (HOU), 2 teams on the brink and likely out pretty soon (DAL, DEN)... then you have teams rebuilding the right way (POR, SEA/OK), a healthy Clippers squad... The West is going to be good. This gimmicky brand of ball wont have legs (literally) anymore..