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For next season, I'm sure we'll be seeing more p.t. for Bwright, Bellinelli and Kosta.

The biggest priority/question in the offseason is how the signings of Ellis,Beans and Baron are going to pan out and how they affect what the W's mgmt do in the offseason.

The next agenda is what's gonna happen with Nelly? I think he comes back for one more year...just on how the team did overall throughout the season but more importantly just how the season ended, I think put a sour taste in Nelly and is going to leave him wanting more from this team...

MP, POB, Barnes and I think C.J. are goners!!!

Harrington, Buki I think will stay but would like them to deal Harrington for a young big like Wilcox,CV or Gooden.

Then sign a PG like Duhon that can run a half court set or play an uptempo style, attack a zone and hit the midrange or 3pt shot.

We also should target Francisco Garcia from the Kings since I think we need some consistency from our bench.

Draftwise, I think we take the best available player that fits into Nelly ball and that player I think is Donta Greene. Or if there's another Joakim Noah in the upcoming draft, that's the player we should take. Watching the Darrell Arthur NBAdraft.net youtube clips, I think he's our guy at #14th?

As our second round pick, I like Sonny Weems. He reminds of Andre Iguodala/Josh Howard type. Or if Dorsey is available, I'll take him since we need a big body with some wide shoulders. We're thin at up front.

I'm thinking Kosta is worth his contract. I realize that's not saying much, but I'm not mad about the deal from the two games I've seen where he's gotten any kind of run.

Just thinking of all our offseason questions gives me a headache. Mully will have a lot on his plate this summer, tremendous pressure.

On a sidenote I like the Chris Duhon idea, just the player we could use to the strengthen the point guard position off the bench.

- Buike, Monta, and Beans come back. I don't want to predict what happens with Baron, could be messy.

- MP, Barnes, POB, Cro and CJ are likely gone. Barnes really disappeared off the face of the planet.

- Give me a decent projected PF in the 1st, and Josh Duncan in the 2nd, and I'd be satisfied.

- Some names in no particular order (mostly bench guys).

Duhon
Najera
Powe
Brand
JO (seems like he really wants out of Indy)
Artest
Udrih
Ariza

Garcia would be nice off the bench, but I don't see Sac moving him to us.

We just need to open the pockets at least a little for a decent bench. But you know...

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What to do if Baron opts out? And I'm not just saying that based on tonight's game, but Baron putting together back to back healthy seasons is pretty unlkely, and this seems like the best chance for him to get his last long term deal.

But say Baron opts out, Gil and Tawn resign with the Bullets, and Brand doesn't opt out due to basically missing the whole year.

We can either:
1) Do nothing
2) Overpay a restricted guy like Deng, Iggy, Okafor, Smoove.
3) Take on a large contract via trade
4) S&T Baron

Also, does anyone also know what the exact cap situation would be in that scenario? According to the thread on the General Board, if Baron opts out, the Warriors would be at 38 mil including Monta and Biedrins' cap holds. And also, with the trade exception, can we for example, trade a 2nd round pick for basically any salary? (i.e. 2nd roudner for JO at 20mil, using the TE for the first 11 mil and the capspace to absorb the difference).

you have to renounce the TE in order to use the capspace.

The TE expires on draft day anyhow, so you won't know for sure what Davis is going to do at that time. They really can't use it (the assumption is that Cohan is still going to be a cheap bastard).

Besides resigning Ellis, Biedrins, and Baron,

1. Sign or trade for Earl Watson or Chris Duhon. Need improved backup PG duties to help out Baron if he stays for next season.

2. Sign Jermaine O' Neal. Wouldn't be surprised if he opts out of his contract and signs with a contender for cheap i.e. Grant Hill, Finley, etc. Mentor/tutor young big men on the team. Play with some attitude.

3. Draft Tyler Smith out of Tennessee. Josh Howard like game, plays aggressively, has all around game, and can jump.

Baron/Duhon or Watson
Ellis/Azu
Jackson/Smith
Al/BWright
Biendrins/JO

I smell championship baby

bill curley II wrote:Also, does anyone also know what the exact cap situation would be in that scenario? According to the thread on the General Board, if Baron opts out, the Warriors would be at 38 mil including Monta and Biedrins' cap holds. And also, with the trade exception, can we for example, trade a 2nd round pick for basically any salary? (i.e. 2nd roudner for JO at 20mil, using the TE for the first 11 mil and the capspace to absorb the difference).

I had thought that you could only have/use exceptions if you were over the cap, but as usual, the Bible of Coon is very enlightening. I find this:

Bible of Coon, Section 20 wrote:If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 29, 30, 31, 32). A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

The more I read this, I'm not sure it fully answers things, though. It talks a lot about what happens if you are under the cap, but have exceptions that when added to your salary put you over the cap. I'm still not entirely clear on the case where you are under the cap, you have exceptions, you add them, and you're *still* under the cap. For your purposes, though, this part is probably relevant as well:

Bible of Coon, Section 20 wrote:Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $43 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

Put them together, and I think it says, "If you are under the cap, we count your exception against your salaries anyway. You can renounce them if you don't want us to do that." So in your Jermaine O'Neal case, if he makes $20m, then:
- If we were $20m under, we could just sign him.
- If we were $10m to $19.9m under, we aren't sure what happens, because that is the case that seems unclear from Coon.
- If we were $10m to $1 under, when they added our exception to the salary, they'd treat us like we were over the cap, and that case is pretty well understood; we couldn't get O'Neal.

Here is the real bottom line I think:

Bible of Coon, Section 20 wrote:There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.

I'm pretty sure what you're hoping is not in the spirit of the rule, and probably won't work. If you're $10m under the cap, with a $10m exception, I bet you can't obtain a $20m player.

My perfect offseason: (tried to keep it realistic too)

Fire Nelly
Hire LB

3 Way Trade

GS trades: Baron Davis, Al Harrington, Marco Belinelli, GS 2nd 08 (#44)
GS gets: #6, Corey Maggette, Cuttino Mobley, Eric Snow (could be Damon Jones)

CLE trades: Eric Snow (or Damon Jones)
CLE gets: Tim Thomas, GSW 2nd (#44), LAC 2nd #36

LAC trades: #6, Corey Maggette, Cuttino Mobley, Tim Thomas, LAC 2nd #36
LAC gets: Baron Davis, Al Harrington, Marco Belinelli

Draft:

#6 Eric Gordon (I guess? Most seem to like him more than the rest)
#14 Kevin Love (becoming a pipe dream this late)

Re-sign:
Monta Ellis - 3 years, 31m
Biedrins - 4 years, 36 m
Pick up Buke's option

Sign:
Eduardo Najera - 2 years, 6m ?
Maurice Evans - 1 year, 2m

Minimum deals:
Francisco Elson
Eddie House (welcome home!)

Opening Day:

PG: Monta (35) / Snow (13) / House
SG: Buke (20) / E. Gordon (20) / Evans ( 8 ) (until E.Gordon earns his starter stripes)
SF: Jax (30) / Najera (10) / Evans ( 8 )
PF: Wright (30) / Biedrins ( 18 ) / Najera
C: Biedrins (15) / Love (25) / Elson ( 8 )

IL: Kosta ( 0 )

We'd still need to run n gun for a while... but I'd like to see a team that actually used a long rotation... I've watched Eddie be the only defensive player besides Camby on the Nuggets for too long... if we can steal him away, I'd be stoked

510Reggae wrote:Pick up Buke's option

Who stole 510's account?

I don't mind Buke in small doses on a traditional team... asking him to create for himself or to ever pass the ball is ridiculous..

He has decent stroke and can body the stronger guards / small forwards well enough to carve a niche out for himself. He's absolutely terrible for the defense and offense we run right now. On a traditional team, pretty serviceable.

In my dream scenario, he'd be a starter / 20 min guy for about 2 months... then EG takes over for 25-30 at Buke's expense. Honestly, I'd rather give hard-nosed defender Mo Evans there, but Buke would be our best 3pt threat... I dont want Jax out there, ever thinking he's our best chance for a 3

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I'm pretty sure what you're hoping is not in the spirit of the rule, and probably won't work. If you're $10m under the cap, with a $10m exception, I bet you can't obtain a $20m player.

The simpler way to look at these is: If you're 15 million under the cap and have a 10 million exception (trade), and if you don't renounce the right to this exception, you can only spend up to 10 million for player(s) using this exception, and you can use the other 5 million for other player(s) that added up to not exceed the 5 million threshold. You can't sign anyone that's valued at 11 million.

If you renounce the trade exception, which is a logical thing to do, then you'll have 15 million to use and there's no restrictions.

510Reggae wrote:My perfect offseason: (tried to keep it realistic too)

Fire Nelly
Hire LB

3 Way Trade

GS trades: Baron Davis, Al Harrington, Marco Belinelli, GS 2nd 08 (#44)
GS gets: #6, Corey Maggette, Cuttino Mobley, Eric Snow (could be Damon Jones)

CLE trades: Eric Snow (or Damon Jones)
CLE gets: Tim Thomas, GSW 2nd (#44), LAC 2nd #36

LAC trades: #6, Corey Maggette, Cuttino Mobley, Tim Thomas, LAC 2nd #36
LAC gets: Baron Davis, Al Harrington, Marco Belinelli

Draft:

#6 Eric Gordon (I guess? Most seem to like him more than the rest)
#14 Kevin Love (becoming a pipe dream this late)

Re-sign:
Monta Ellis - 3 years, 31m
Biedrins - 4 years, 36 m
Pick up Buke's option

Sign:
Eduardo Najera - 2 years, 6m ?
Maurice Evans - 1 year, 2m

Minimum deals:
Francisco Elson
Eddie House (welcome home!)

Opening Day:

PG: Monta (35) / Snow (13) / House
SG: Buke (20) / E. Gordon (20) / Evans ( 8 ) (until E.Gordon earns his starter stripes)
SF: Jax (30) / Najera (10) / Evans ( 8 )
PF: Wright (30) / Biedrins ( 18 ) / Najera
C: Biedrins (15) / Love (25) / Elson ( 8 )

IL: Kosta ( 0 )

We'd still need to run n gun for a while... but I'd like to see a team that actually used a long rotation... I've watched Eddie be the only defensive player besides Camby on the Nuggets for too long... if we can steal him away, I'd be stoked

I'll have to say I like these a lot, except we're giving up a little too much for a short rental on Maggette and the pick. Baron's value is not as bad as you might think because, if a team wants him, they'll either want him really bad and overpaid for him, or they will get him on a one-year rental (read: big, fat expiring contract). In this case, we are actually getting everyone else's junks (saved the pick) for 2 starters and a good looking young guy.

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I'm pretty sure what you're hoping is not in the spirit of the rule, and probably won't work. If you're $10m under the cap, with a $10m exception, I bet you can't obtain a $20m player.

Cool thanks. Clarified things a lot there for me. So basically, if Baron opts out, we're probably looking at about 13-15 mil under the cap before resigning Monta and Biedrins I think, which is just under a max deal.

510Reggae wrote:Re-sign:
Monta Ellis - 3 years, 31m
Biedrins - 4 years, 36 m

Just wondering if you're just hoping or if you actually think those are what Monta and Biedrins will sign for. First off, I don't see either of them taking shorter term deals, especially Monta considering his size. Second, I think Monta's going to command something around 5yr 65mil. We're always amazed at quality players getting "overpaid" in the offseason, and I doubt this will be any different.

MightyReds2020 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I'll have to say I like these a lot, except we're giving up a little too much for a short rental on Maggette and the pick. Baron's value is not as bad as you might think because, if a team wants him, they'll either want him really bad and overpaid for him, or they will get him on a one-year rental (read: big, fat expiring contract). In this case, we are actually getting everyone else's junks (saved the pick) for 2 starters and a good looking young guy.

Maggs is an essential player in today's NBA IMO... you need these running backs to stop the clock, grind out some points, get someone in foul trouble... getting him at the price we are is a bargain considering what Kevin Martin signed for... I'd love to have him as a safety valve. He's a defensive liability, that's for sure, and we'd have to work around that...

Just wondering if you're just hoping or if you actually think those are what Monta and Biedrins will sign for. First off, I don't see either of them taking shorter term deals, especially Monta considering his size. Second, I think Monta's going to command something around 5yr 65mil. We're always amazed at quality players getting "overpaid" in the offseason, and I doubt this will be any different.

I actually think those #s. Monta signs a 3 year deal with the same intentions as Wade, LeBron, Bosh... all those guys. They all have their franchises by the balls right now. Pay me a ton, or get some talent around me now, or I'm outta here. It's a pretty enviable position to be in, and I could definitely see Monta liking that after being buried by chuckers to start his career.

Biedrins, well I think his value is inflated here, because he's the only big man. I do believe he wants to stay, so I figured a 9m deal would do it. Probably would be longer though, in retrospect. At least 5, maybe we can ink him for 6. But I do not think his salary goes over the 10m/season bar.

We should always try to lowball players...There's zero reason to show so-called *loyalty* by handing out huge contracts...There is no loyalty when it comes to $$$$ time...If Monta a big offer,, then we deal with it...But dont go offering him 60 fricken million.

510.... how is $9Mil/yr be enough for Biedrins? Especially when reports of Biedrins' agent rejected Mully's $52Mil/5yr last off season, and counter offered for $60 Mil.

LF75 wrote:We should always try to lowball players...There's zero reason to show so-called *loyalty* by handing out huge contracts...There is no loyalty when it comes to $$$$ time...If Monta a big offer,, then we deal with it...But dont go offering him 60 fricken million.

That's very true. If Monta hard-@ss about a 60-million contract, we should send him to Memphis for their pick + a player like Kyle Lowry or Juan Carlos Navaro.