Would this trade work?

[turk3d]

Would this trade work?

Al + Jack + #14? for Marion?

Is this something that you think that Miami might do and do you think we need to give them the #14 pick (maybe they do it without, or perhaps a future pick)?

If it happened then we'd have to resign Petey (gee that would make Abyss happy) and

Baron/Draft pick or FA pickup
Monta/Bukie
Pietrus/Barnes
Marion/Wright
Biedrens/Kosta/Croshere (Nellie gets to still play a little smallball)

Not a bad starting lineup. Question is would it be enough to entice Miami? I hate to lose Jack, but would be willing to sacrifice both he and Al to get Marion over here. That would be a pretty strong team. We give Petey the opportunity to start. That might actually be a pretty good team defensively (3 out of 5 pretty good).

This is the only way (other than trading Baron) that I can see getting a big name player without screwing up the cap too bad. We'd still have to sign Monta and Biedrens to their big bucks of course.

[Mylie10]

To much to give up for a potential malcontent.

[turk3d]

Nellie's a malcontent. He'd be a perfect fit. Only sign him and Baron for year, see how they do and if they f k up, then dump them both. Give em one year, they might be willing to give it a shot, if they think they can make a serious run. If they screw up, then we can dump both their salaries the next year and make a run serious free agent run. Isn't that when Lebron and all those other blue chips become FAs? As long as we don't commit for them for more than a year, it should be fine. they might agree to it (Marion to get out of Miami and Baron to give it one more go here). This is one deal which works on trade checker at their projected salaries next year. We can try it without the pick and see if they bite although I don't think they will. I can't see us getting Brand without giving up Baron. I think to get Brand will be even more costly. What is it about Marion that so many don't like. He was made for our style of play.

[Sleepy51]

Not to mention, our starting lineup was already one of the best in the league, even with our lax defense and terrible shot selection, our starting 5 were still capable of outplaying almost any other starting 5 out there. The problem is depth. We have to add more legs to the roster, not less. I can't get behind any trade that sends out more than one of our top 5 players for only one starter in return.

The answer is probably to trade the pick along with one of our starters for an upgrade (and not a selfish malcontent upgrade) or for two rotation players.

We aren't in position to do quantity for quality deals with our top 5 guys. .

[marthafokker]

I do it. Like turk said.... if it works great.... if not, we will be way under the salary cap to properly rebuild.

I don't mind it too much...

AB
BW
Matrix
Monty
Baron

This lineup has 3 quick and lengthy players to defense for Monty and Baron (who we know did not play defense.... Rowell excepted about Monty).

A lot less jacking (literally) bad shots from Al and SJax. Our rebounding issue is resolved with BW (finally getting playing time) and Matrix.

Hmm.... rebounding, defense, and shot selection issues Dubbs are bad this season..... all seem to go away pretty much.

I do it. Not like the Dubbs are going to the playoff next season with this current team anyways.

[Sid the Squid]

10 players that would make me question why I'm a W's fan.

1. Carmelo
2. Marion
3. Ben Wallace
4. Derrick Fisher
5. Corey Maggette
6. Rueben Patterson
7. Eddy Curry
8. Stephon Poisonbury
9. Bimbo Coles (retro pick)
10. Joe Barry Carroll (retro)

[marthafokker]

10 players that would make me question why I'm a W's fan.

1. Carmelo
2. Marion
3. Ben Wallace
4. Derrick Fisher
5. Corey Maggette
6. Rueben Patterson
7. Eddy Curry
8. Stephon Poisonbury
9. Bimbo Coles (retro pick)
10. Joe Barry Carroll (retro)

We know you hate Carmelo. But I think it is Curry and Poisonbury should be the top. Those two are the biggest laughing stock in the NBA. Regardless if it is the real game or fantasy basketball.

There is even a "Curry-Line" statistical analysis player ranking named just for him. And Curry is always ranked #1. And guess what, Randolph is top 5 as well. Poor NYK, NOT!!!!!!

[FNQ]

Boooooo @ #5. He's an unfortunate necessity in the game now, until the charging rule actually gets enforced..

Trading Jax and keeping Baron is a HUGE mistake... Jax coming here affected Baron's attitude for long enough to not make him a quitter...

I'm scared of a Baron w/o Jax... I am absolutely terrified of it. Lots of people are crediting Baron's calming down w/Nellie... it sure helped.. but have a look:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/332 ... e=Fielding

Baron was on the path in January to chuckstyle... 17-18 FGA per game, declining FG%... After the break/injury, w/Jax, Baron takes 4 less shots per game at 4% higher..

[rone415]

I agree with Sleepy on this one. We need more depth and if Nellie is still coaching, he needs to trust his bench more so BD and SJax can rest on the bench, NOT ON THE FLOOR. If we can get a sold back up PG, a SG/SF who can shoot, and a beefy PF/C that can give us 15-20 minutes a game I think we'll be OK. BD and SJax can be more effective playing 30-35 minutes a game IMO. Not sure if it's a good idea for us trade or get rid of anyone right now since' we're still a very young team that's barely made a playoffs in a tough Western Conference. Yes, it'll probably be that much tougher next year but with solid bench help we should be able to win 50 next year and hopefully that'll be enough wins to get in the playoffs. This year was full of What If's.....

PG - Duhon, Beno???
SG/SF - Childress, Mo Evans, ???
PF/C - Najera, C. Smith, Elson, Turiaf???

[turk3d]

We still manage to keep some our depth if we do this deal. We resign Pietrus (and Barnes if we wish) and hopefully Bukie sticks around. We have Kosta (only 1.8M). If we can resign Pietrus (give him starting minutes) for a decent amount (and he says he wants to stay here) we wind up with:

Biedrens/Perovic/Croshere
Marion/Wright
Pietrus/Barnes (wow they could play their natural positions)
Monta/Bukie/Bellinelli
Baron/Monta/FA pickup or #1 pick

Plus whatever else we can pick up off the scrapheap (Mulson pretty good at that).

As much as losing Jack could potentially cost us, I think this would be a pretty damn good team, especially if Baron and Marion are playing for a contract (1 year deals). If they both walk away after one season, we wind up with a boatload of money and make our Lebron (or whatever) move.

I actually think that the above group would have the potential to do some serious damage if managed properly and with some a decent draft, would be pretty deep.

BTW, who's sister did Marion bang?

[Chris Porter's Hair]

We probably have to agree to disagree on Carmelo and Marion. I'd love to have either of those guys as basketball players, though Carmelo is enough of a goofball to make me wince as I type that. Maggette has that Starks thing going for him: hate him when we play against him, but if he was on our side, I probably wouldn't mind so much. If we had a guy on the team who could inexplicably get to the line 10 times a game and make most of them, I'd get used to it.

[floppymoose]

I'm surprised LF hates Wallace. I thought Wallace could pass?

[turk3d]

I'm not too worried about LF. He probably hated Baron and Jack before they got here.

[marthafokker]

I am surprised Murphy and Dampier are not even on his "Hatedar" anymore. I remember how he goes off how much he hates them on a daily bases.

[GswStorm3]

I agree with Sleepy on this one. We need more depth and if Nellie is still coaching, he needs to trust his bench more so BD and SJax can rest on the bench, NOT ON THE FLOOR. If we can get a sold back up PG, a SG/SF who can shoot, and a beefy PF/C that can give us 15-20 minutes a game I think we'll be OK. BD and SJax can be more effective playing 30-35 minutes a game IMO. Not sure if it's a good idea for us trade or get rid of anyone right now since' we're still a very young team that's barely made a playoffs in a tough Western Conference. Yes, it'll probably be that much tougher next year but with solid bench help we should be able to win 50 next year and hopefully that'll be enough wins to get in the playoffs. This year was full of What If's.....

PG - Duhon, Beno???
SG/SF - Childress, Mo Evans, ???
PF/C - Najera, C. Smith, Elson, Turiaf???

I want Duhon, just the backup PG we need.

[old rem]

Nellie's a malcontent. He'd be a perfect fit. Only sign him and Baron for year, see how they do and if they f k up, then dump them both. Give em one year, they might be willing to give it a shot, if they think they can make a serious run. If they screw up, then we can dump both their salaries the next year and make a run serious free agent run. Isn't that when Lebron and all those other blue chips become FAs? As long as we don't commit for them for more than a year, it should be fine. they might agree to it (Marion to get out of Miami and Baron to give it one more go here). This is one deal which works on trade checker at their projected salaries next year. We can try it without the pick and see if they bite although I don't think they will. I can't see us getting Brand without giving up Baron. I think to get Brand will be even more costly. What is it about Marion that so many don't like. He was made for our style of play.

Al + Jax for Marion is in the ballpark. I don't include #14,might give a minor something like a future rd 2 or S+T POB. I would not want to give up 2 starters..about 35 pt a game...and have Marion be just a temp. He'd need to want to be here and he'd need to reach an agreement on a contract that's sensible for us and him.

Letting Marion + Baron both go FA is pretty risky.....oops..both our All Star types escaped and we signed some guy about the equivalent of D Fish...

[turk3d]

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Al + Jax for Marion is in the ballpark. I don't include #14,might give a minor something like a future rd 2 or S+T POB. I would not want to give up 2 starters..about 35 pt a game...and have Marion be just a temp. He'd need to want to be here and he'd need to reach an agreement on a contract that's sensible for us and him.

Letting Marion + Baron both go FA is pretty risky.....oops..both our All Star types escaped and we signed some guy about the equivalent of D Fish...

We can make it future #1 (keep this years pick) conditional based on whether or not Marion resigns (I'd like to give Marion the option to leave after a year). If he does, then the 1st comes back and they get a 2nd instead.

Can we still S & T Pietrus? If so, maybe we can keep Jack and send them Pietrus instead. Miami might actually prefer Pietrus. I chose Jack because I'm not sure if we can still S & T Pietrus. Then we'd have:

Biedrens/Perovic/Croshere
Marion/BWright/Croshere/#14?
Jack/Barnes/Belinelli
Ellis/Bukie/Belinelli
Baron/Ellis/#14?

This squad would be retty deep and can make serious noise next year.

The big question (if we could pull this off) is who would we draft?