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Personally I'm tired of small ball and want the W's to be like a New Orleans type of team. They can play uptempo but very efficient in a half court set/pick and roll.

They have smart quick PG in Paul...Underrated post scorer/perimeter shooter in David West with a good shooter in Peja. Chandler also provides the rebounding, defense and some fast break points.

I'd want Ellis and or Baron to become more of PG like Paul in that he uses quickness to break the zone defenses. I'd like to see Ellis assist to turnover ratio improve so it forces the defense to pay attention to him.

Baron really needs to lose more weight to get quicker and work on his shot selection. I'd like him to shoot more floaters or mid range jumpers than settle for the 3pt shot.

More importantly,I think the W's need to execute the pick and roll better and more often. They play too much one on one offense and shoot too many 3pt shots.

If Harrington is gonna stay, I'd like to see the W's use him the same way that the Hornets use West. Or find/acquire a player that has a back to the basket or can face up type of game. Beans or Bwright could be THAT player but don't think we have the experienced personnel to develop Bwright and Beans offensive/low post game.

Warriors don't have the talent of New Orleans.

I just want to see guys pass the ball next season.

baron isn't changing his style. what you see is what you get.

I actually think Goose has a good low post game already. We just don't use it. His quick offensive moves are very effective.

GS's offense, while inconsistant and not always pretty, was still fairly effective. Even adjusting for pace, GS was a very good offensive team last year.

GS's defense needs to improve, and there's a simple way to do it. Just having 2 post players on the court most of the game will make a tremendous difference. Add Wright to the playing rotation, and then a 4th post player who can play 15-20 mpg and GS's defense will improve dramatically. This will reduce the number of easy baskets and offensive rebounds given up. Granted, this will effect the offense with fewer 3-point shooters on the court most of the time, so some adjustments would need to be made.

I'm hoping Wright makes a big impact next season. If he is able to play along side Biedrins, which Nellie won't like, unless Wright develops an outside game, his length will help big time inside.

I would have Wright starting and if Al is still here, for him to come off the bench.

I'd love for David West to be our PF, playing beside Andris.

I want Dirk playing besides Andris.

I saw the Ellis/Harrington for Dirk/Terry offer on the trade board and I was surprised that GSW fans said they rather have Ellis.

I know Ellis is good. But we are not going anywhere playing midget ball. Nellie wants a 3 pt shooting PF? Well, Nellie's original project is perfect for his last fling in the NBA.

And GSW will be good for the next 5 years to be rebuild. We want a championship, right? Or we just want to see exciting non-playoff GSW team for the next 10 years?

I know that offer is a pipe dream, but still.... GSW fans think Ellis is better than Dirk?

marthafokker wrote:I want Dirk playing besides Andris.

I saw the Ellis/Harrington for Dirk/Terry offer on the trade board and I was surprised that GSW fans said they rather have Ellis.

I know Ellis is good. But we are not going anywhere playing midget ball. Nellie wants a 3 pt shooting PF? Well, Nellie's original project is perfect for his last fling in the NBA.

And GSW will be good for the next 5 years to be rebuild. We want a championship, right? Or we just want to see exciting non-playoff GSW team for the next 10 years?

I know that offer is a pipe dream, but still.... GSW fans think Ellis is better than Dirk?

Holy crap!

Ellis over Dirk? People have seriously lost it.

i don't think people are saying Ellis is better than Dirk... people are saying 3 our so years of Dirk isn't as good as 10 years of Ellis.

No half assing though, if we did a trade like that and didn't finish top 3 in the west we would have to look at shipping Wright for a legit wing player. In the West today you gotta go all out for a title, or all out rebuilding.

I either want Ellis, Goose, Wright to be built around... or i want to go into full on Title run mode. Give me a title now, or give me a chance at one in 5 - 8 years.

I'm sick and tired of this limbo stage we are at that does nothing but assure Cohan gets a good enough team to keep his cash cow business bringing in our money.

floppymoose wrote:I'd love for David West to be our PF, playing beside Andris.

Hell Yeah...but we missed that bus.

The trick is to get the NEXT guy like West who has that type of skills + toughness yet was underrated. there's been a fad to overvalue an extra 1" of height and an extra 1" wingspan and under-rate skills,toughness,consistant effort.

The player who is 100% in focus nearly every minute,who is the Alpha Dog when there's a crowd in the paint,who actually GETS rebounds-rather than SEEMS built for the task...that's what tends to work. By the time a 20 yr old is on the radar as a rd 1 and instant millionaire,he SHOULD have learned his fundamentals and have the desire and willpower to soon become everything he can be. Too often the "project" gets overhyped.....gets overrated while failing to make much use of special natural tools. Who had the physical tools,Chris Mullin or Olowokandi?

So far,the Warriors have PROVEN that they lack any special knack for developing a raw project. Worse yet they often hardly TRY. the fuss here about POB or Lasme was never so much that we were letting future superstars escape for zero..but that we seemed to lack even the minimal curiosity about the guys we just bought with our precious draft picks. It's bad enough to TRY and be too inept to achieve anything. It is much worse to not even bother.
It USED to be the draft featured upperclassmen who had established to some extent what they would bring. Now half the first round is "raw material",and strangely---it seems to count against a guy's stock if he actually HAS developed a skill set,got some experiance,really produced numbers.

Case in point. Sean Singletary (U VA) vs D Rose. Pts,ASSTs,3 pt %,steals,Singletary has a pretty nice lead in EVERY category. Rose is projected as #2 pick....Singletary as a MAYBE rd 2. The assumption is that team X can extract untapped and unlimited potential from Rose while Singletary is "what you see is what you get". Perhaps. Meanwhile Steve Nash had more impact than Mike Conley. Skills matter.

Glen Davis,Paul Millsap,Brandon Bass,Craig Smith,Reggie Evans....each got some damn solid results as college players but were typecast as a bit too short,not the long,KG prototype. Each was a rd 2 and is now a rotation guy or even a starter. Getting it done has to be better than HOW you get it done. Getting it done has to be better than "should have" or maybe someday.

old rem wrote:Glen Davis

anyone not named Kevin, Paul, and Ray on the Celtics suck. Thats including Rondo, who wouldnt even start on the Wolves or Grizzlies, and Doc Rivers who wouldnt even be coaching today if he didnt have the Famous 3.

Glen Davis is garbage. Those other guys are solid though that you mentioned.

Warriors need a bruiser with some size off the bench. A player that is good around the rim to grab boards. Just because you are tall doesnt mean you will get the board.

TB wrote:i don't think people are saying Ellis is better than Dirk... people are saying 3 our so years of Dirk isn't as good as 10 years of Ellis.

No half assing though, if we did a trade like that and didn't finish top 3 in the west we would have to look at shipping Wright for a legit wing player. In the West today you gotta go all out for a title, or all out rebuilding.

I either want Ellis, Goose, Wright to be built around... or i want to go into full on Title run mode. Give me a title now, or give me a chance at one in 5 - 8 years.

I'm sick and tired of this limbo stage we are at that does nothing but assure Cohan gets a good enough team to keep his cash cow business bringing in our money.

I doubt the Mavs move Dirk unless we really overpay,but I'm fully in agreement that a long "window of opportunity" is to our advantage. I don't want another backslide to "rebuild" but obviously we need to EFFICIENTLY upgrade wherever possible.

8 teams in the West beat us out for playoff slots. Most of those below us have a young rebuild core and figure to steadily improve. We need some gains to just fend off the Blazers and Clips,and more if we want to catch up to the top 8. If we go "high risk-high reward" or "Blow it Up"...we easily might find ourselves #11 or #12 instead of #9,with a few more speedbumps in the path. Given our history in terms of past luck/success,I'd
look toward high % moves and building on what is here. Patience and efficiency is how you climb a mountain. Taking a "shortcut" that MIGHT be a bit faster-or fatal,is a bad strategy.

marthafokker wrote:I want Dirk playing besides Andris.

I saw the Ellis/Harrington for Dirk/Terry offer on the trade board and I was surprised that GSW fans said they rather have Ellis.

I know Ellis is good. But we are not going anywhere playing midget ball. Nellie wants a 3 pt shooting PF? Well, Nellie's original project is perfect for his last fling in the NBA.

And GSW will be good for the next 5 years to be rebuild. We want a championship, right? Or we just want to see exciting non-playoff GSW team for the next 10 years?

I know that offer is a pipe dream, but still.... GSW fans think Ellis is better than Dirk?

No... we aren't good playing perimeter ball... our small team is actually good, and getting better, at becoming a more interior based team. Efficient.

The last thing we need to go is more perimeter... another testament to how some fans here really just want to be above average like the Mavs instead of really build a winner..

I'm sick of these NBA Live trades that people want... ______ has higher value than ________ .... Ellis is our most valuable asset and people are still willing to piss it away to take a shot with a team that has Baron at the helm...

wow.... people still wants midget ball?

Like you guys said... it is either go for it all or rebuild. By doing the status quo, we are nothing more than like the Eastern Conference teams. Pretend we are good, but never win the championship.

Does it matter if we are 9,10,11,12 for the next 5 years? Either way you say it, it will stink.

At least with Dirk, we can fight for the top 8 seed and hopefully be like getting Pau Gasol and change the team for the better. Dirk is certainly not like Shaq trade though.

Not trading Ellis for Dirk isn't wanting midgetball... thats just a ridiciulous assertion...

Its hilarious to me that not trading Ellis is staying the status quo... Especially the "at least we can fight for the top 8 seed"... why? You think Dirk will have the same impact Pau did on the Lakers? Pau plays PF, on the inside.. Dirk's just another shooter... Nellie had Nash/Finley/Dirk... Jamison and Toine were added... Nellie's ridiculous extreme style is too stupid to cave to... that was supposed to be Nellie's ideal season.

Only way you can trade Ellis is if you get a potentially dominant two-way, low block PF/C... those kinds of players almost never get traded...

I don't get why we'd trade away a PG with so many natural physical gifts, who's understanding the game better each year, for a guy with limited physical gifts and is already a finished product... no killer instinct... scared of contact... We do not need a 7' SG. I'd rather draft Ivan Chiariev in the 2nd and let ya'll fawn over tall shooters a bit more.

510Reggae wrote::nonono:

Not trading Ellis for Dirk isn't wanting midgetball... thats just a ridiciulous assertion...

Its hilarious to me that not trading Ellis is staying the status quo... Especially the "at least we can fight for the top 8 seed"... why? You think Dirk will have the same impact Pau did on the Lakers? Pau plays PF, on the inside.. Dirk's just another shooter... Nellie had Nash/Finley/Dirk... Jamison and Toine were added... Nellie's ridiculous extreme style is too stupid to cave to... that was supposed to be Nellie's ideal season.

Only way you can trade Ellis is if you get a potentially dominant two-way, low block PF/C... those kinds of players almost never get traded...

I don't get why we'd trade away a PG with so many natural physical gifts, who's understanding the game better each year, for a guy with limited physical gifts and is already a finished product... no killer instinct... scared of contact... We do not need a 7' SG. I'd rather draft Ivan Chiariev in the 2nd and let ya'll fawn over tall shooters a bit more.

Well said. and i 110% agree whole heartdly.

some people are content with medicrity tho.. they think there is a transition from mediocrity to elite... but really there is not.

You Build(draft) and develop Elite/talent players/chemistry... you Trade for the other pieces to make it all work and come together in a championship form.

trading ellis for dirk nowitzki of all people would be one of the dumbest things this team has ever done.

Dirk does not put any kind of pressure on the defense whatsoever. He is not going to consistentluy get to the basket., hes not going to be getting offensive rebounds, and he is nto getting anyone else open looks.

Monta does all those things, plus the potential to do a whole lot more on the defensive end of the ball, because of his incredible speed and quickness.

All Dirk has going for him is his height, and shooting touch... and honestly not much else.... Bargnani has all that too and a lot younger, and i wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole...(Bargnani can actually pass though, some times) well maybe off the bench in spurts.

Like Reg said... trading Monta for a 7'foot shooting guard is **** foolish thing to do.

What exactly is Dirk going to do to make this team better?... Defend the paint? Keep his man in front?, Rebound?, pass?...

take that name away from him and evaluate his game instead of being so drawn to the numbers he puts up... actually watch that dude play and you will see he isnt even really the best player on his own team.

510Reggae wrote::nonono:

Not trading Ellis for Dirk isn't wanting midgetball... thats just a ridiciulous assertion...

Its hilarious to me that not trading Ellis is staying the status quo... Especially the "at least we can fight for the top 8 seed"... why? You think Dirk will have the same impact Pau did on the Lakers? Pau plays PF, on the inside.. Dirk's just another shooter... Nellie had Nash/Finley/Dirk... Jamison and Toine were added... Nellie's ridiculous extreme style is too stupid to cave to... that was supposed to be Nellie's ideal season.

Only way you can trade Ellis is if you get a potentially dominant two-way, low block PF/C... those kinds of players almost never get traded...

I don't get why we'd trade away a PG with so many natural physical gifts, who's understanding the game better each year, for a guy with limited physical gifts and is already a finished product... no killer instinct... scared of contact... We do not need a 7' SG. I'd rather draft Ivan Chiariev in the 2nd and let ya'll fawn over tall shooters a bit more.

I only agree if we rebuild totally. Staying the course means keep our chuckers around and not go even younger. We know you hate Baron, you should be in the side of throwing out these chuckers... otherwise... it is just status quo. And having Ellis means nothing if we will be 9,10,11,12 for the next 5 years (assuming management buckles and keep most of our chuckers).

Unfortunely, others are saying... lets do what we do now. Lets not change since it is not going to get better. And hope we are 8,9, 10 (whatever) for the next 5 years. LF would be smaching his TV again if he has to see this for the next 5 years.

Depends what rebuild totally means... does that mean scrap Baron and Nellie? Because that's all we really need to do..

Trading Monta for Dirk is a near mirror image of what the Mavs just did with Kidd... here, I'll Nostradamus this one... we trade for Dirk... get no higher than the #6 seed... get desperate to trade our vet players... have to wait to get a good deal or get pressured into a bad one...

Only thing a Dirk trade does is spin the wheels a few more years... this one year was rough enough. We ran this whole year on a treadmill, with Nellie pressing his gimmicky "elevate" button every time we started to move forward a bit.

I like tall players

We have to keep guys that get into the lane and finish.

I like Dirk and would love to get him, but Ellis is nearing the no trade area.

He is such a special talent that replacing what he does would be extremely difficult.

Dirk would flourish here, but only with Ellis, not in place of him.