Let's call Baron's bluff and build a team around Monta/AB

toffee · Post #1 » by **toffee** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:10 pm

Baron may still have couple of good years left in him but he clearly has peaked with questionable durability. Let's say we call he bluff, trade him now and start building a team around Monta and AB.

Monta is no Kobe, and AB certainly ain't Shaq so we need another important piece to form our so call big three.

Assuming Monta will play 1 and AB plays 5. should the missing piece be a shooting guard? What if we put Monta at 2 and play AB at 4 and find a scoring center?

In short, how to maximize Monta & AB's talent with adding another piece?

Abyss Impact · Post #2 » by **Abyss Impact** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:13 pm

We already have Marco Belinelli.

Sid the Squid · Post #3 » by **Sid the Squid** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:15 pm

Did Brandan Wright die?

gking · Post #4 » by **gking** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:20 pm

Calderon would be nice replacement for Baron. More of a pass first PG instead of a chucker. :clap:

toffee · Post #5 » by **toffee** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:22 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:Did Brandan Wright die?

If the aim is to make it into the playoff, think a team with Monta+AB+Wright as main focus can make it next season? If so, what would be their respective primary position?

Chris Cohan · Post #6 » by **Chris Cohan** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:26 pm

I don't care at all about making the playoffs next year if I'm actually trying to build for a real 5+ year run of success. That run can start 09-10 as far as I'm concerned. It probably should, actually.

Sid the Squid · Post #7 » by **Sid the Squid** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:30 pm

ROWELL wrote:I don't care at all about making the playoffs next year if I'm actually trying to build for a real 5+ year run of success. That run can start 09-10 as far as I'm concerned. It probably should, actually.

I think we should give Pat Burke major run in the preseason to see if he should be a major part of our future core...

Oh wait..We did that last October..Never mind.

:banghead:

GSW2K4 · Post #8 » by **GSW2K4** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:35 pm

ROWELL wrote:I don't care at all about making the playoffs next year if I'm actually trying to build for a real 5+ year run of success. That run can start 09-10 as far as I'm concerned. It probably should, actually.

+1

We have some good pieces and we need to look a little further down the line as to how to build something sustainable.

I thought that was the point of trading Baron...

Post #9 » by **FNQ** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:37 pm

Another mock offseason thread?

Despite the omission of Wright... the types of players we need IMO, and could realistically get:

- shooting SG with good shot selection, good closeout defender (quick/high leaper, long wingspan)
Ideal: DeShawn Stevenson
Ideal for the future: Brandon Rush? James Harden? Eric Gordon? Maybe Tyreke Evans

- paint defending pure C, big enough to handle big time players 1 on 1. Strong individual rebounder. Length a must.
Ideal: Marcus Camby
Ideal for the future: Kevin Love, Hasheem Thabeet, Alexis Ajinca

- long, above average rebounding inside/outside F. Basically another Wright type.
Ideal: Josh Howard
Ideal for the future: Earl Clark, Serge Ibaka

- pass 1st PG, capable of spot-starting, possibly supplanting Monta
Ideal: Jason Kidd (bonus of being a incredibly smart PG - mentor?)
Ideal for the future: Ricky Rubio, Jrue Holliday

That's in addition to what we already have (Tay/Wright/Beans)... I'd include Jack/Beli in the "core" but not Al...

toffee · Post #10 » by **toffee** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:49 pm

510Reggae wrote:Another mock offseason thread?

Despite the omission of Wright... the types of players we need IMO, and could realistically get:

- shooting SG with good shot selection, good closeout defender (quick/high leaper, long wingspan)
Ideal: DeShawn Stevenson
Ideal for the future: Brandon Rush? James Harden? Eric Gordon? Maybe Tyreke Evans

- paint defending pure C, big enough to handle big time players 1 on 1. Strong individual rebounder. Length a must.
Ideal: Marcus Camby
Ideal for the future: Kevin Love, Hasheem Thabeet, Alexis Ajinca

- long, above average rebounding inside/outside F. Basically another Wright type.
Ideal: Josh Howard
Ideal for the future: Earl Clark, Serge Ibaka

- pass 1st PG, capable of spot-starting, possibly supplanting Monta
Ideal: Jason Kidd (bonus of being a incredibly smart PG - mentor?)
Ideal for the future: Ricky Rubio, Jrue Holliday

That's in addition to what we already have (Tay/Wright/Beans)... I'd include Jack/Beli in the "core" but not Al...

Let's see:

Option 1
(1) Monta + (2) DeShawn + (3) Howard + (4) AB + (5) Camby

Option 2
(1) Kidd + (2) Monta + (3) S Jackson + (4) Howard + (5) AB

$$ aside (not my $), not sure if DeShawn and Howard are on the market. Kidd and Camby (old and expensive) probably are though.

Post #11 » by **FNQ** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:12 pm

DeShawn probably isn't... but after a subpar shooting season and showing he can't be counted on unless hes the 3rd or 4th offensive option, he could be... very underrated player...

Howard most definitely is... dummy admitted to smoking pot in the media... everyone knows basketball players smoke, but there was only one guy dumb enough to come out and go on record...

Camby's the one we may have a legit shot at... I'd trade the #14 to the Nuggets, barring a Gordon or Love slip... Al + 14 for Camby + 20? Might go hand in hand with a potential Melo / AI deal..

Mylie10 · Post #12 » by **Mylie10** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:15 pm

GSW2K4 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

+1

We have some good pieces and we need to look a little further down the line as to how to build something sustainable.

I thought that was the point of trading Baron...

Why can't we retain the GOOD young players and also win? Young players learn more from winning than they do losing.

Adding pieces to a good team should be what we're about. Locking up good talent and then doing what it takes to surround them with more talent is better than .....Just play all the kids.

Look at the really good teams, they're all deep with talent. Most have a good mix of young and old.

We have that but are just a few pieces shy.

Sid the Squid · Post #13 » by **Sid the Squid** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:18 pm

510Reggae wrote:
Howard most definitely is... dummy admitted to smoking pot in the media... everyone knows basketball players smoke, but there was only one guy dumb enough to come out and go on record...

Dallas is on the list of cities that you can't get away with admitting Pot use..The fan base is mostly made up of strange warped corrupted Dick Cheaney fans..Josh is history in Big D.

Mylie10 · Post #14 » by **Mylie10** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:21 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Dallas is on the list of cities that you can't get away with admitting Pot use..The fan base is mostly made up of strange warped corrupted Dick Cheaney fans..Josh is history in Big D.

Arizona too....

I think Josh stays there. The new coach won't let him go. Plus who here doen't think Cuban burns?

Post #15 » by **FNQ** » Sat May 10, 2008 10:34 pm

Carlisle as DAL coach effectively ends any speculation of Jax being traded there as well...

I'd be shocked if Cuban hasn't kept a close eye on this Baron situation... the one thing about this agent situation thats intriguing me is that he said an extension was hurtful... hurtful! How low could an offer have been? Makes me think someone out there is willing to pay Baron...

I have a feeling Mark Cuban is going to be our Rod Higgins this year... its a damn shame Rod Thorn nearly cleaned out the cupboard at the deadline.

toffee · Post #16 » by **toffee** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:46 am

If we get Camby and play him next to AB, not sure we still have enough fire power. Both are scoring challenged.

Post #17 » by **FNQ** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:53 am

No sir... AB cannot consistently and effectively create his own shot, but thats all an unproven - he wasnt ever told to get on the low block and do that. Camby has a midranger, and if it weren't for AI/Melo's ballhogging, he could easily get 12/12...

Even if that were the case, we'd be in excellent position to fix it with a Baron trade or release... if its a complete bust? We know our team's weakness and have a high draft pick.

toffee · Post #18 » by **toffee** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:02 am

510Reggae wrote:No sir... AB cannot consistently and effectively create his own shot, but thats all an unproven - he wasnt ever told to get on the low block and do that. Camby has a midranger, and if it weren't for AI/Melo's ballhogging, he could easily get 12/12...

Even if that were the case, we'd be in excellent position to fix it with a Baron trade or release... if its a complete bust? We know our team's weakness and have a high draft pick.

A Kidd/Monta/Harrington/AB/Camby would be interesting, from 2-5 all shoot at high percentage.

Thugleavy34 · Post #19 » by **Thugleavy34** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:10 am

It's not Baron's time yet. I think the organization has long planned for him to finish out his deal and then use the capspace to build around our youth. I'm cool with BD and Nellie for another year. They've served and will finish serving their respective purposes.

Sid the Squid · Post #20 » by **Sid the Squid** » Sun May 11, 2008 1:24 am

Thugleavy34 wrote: I'm cool with BD and Nellie for another year. They've served and will finish serving their respective purposes.

I was cool with Nellie up until the *Pat Burke preseason experience*..That's when I had my awakening..

Baron? He really lost me during that 1st offseason here when he promised to come into camp in great shape after a summer of group practices with his new teammates..Never happened..I became a HUGE BoomFizzle hater...Love that BoomDizzle character though. He's a great talent.