Who are going to miss these plays?

Abyss Impact · Post #1 » by **Abyss Impact** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:30 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfze2w5Q ... re=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0YoLn29 ... re=related
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Its sad that he is going to leave the Warriors for another team this off season. We should keep him, he is a spark off the bench, if not, is a decent backup starter. We shouldn't toss first round draft picks after not having him flourish under the position he plays best, SF, with Don Nelson's style of coaching.

Thoughts? I can't believe you guys dislike him, what is there to hate about how he plays.

warriortone · Post #2 » by **warriortone** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:47 am

I really don't know whether to take you seriously or not, but I'll give you my honest take. When he started his career here, I didn't think he got enough burn and really felt he brought a fire on defense that we hadn't had in a long time. Hell, there was a time I couldn't imagine the team without him. Now, not so much.

Those highlights are a good example of the energy and hustle he can bring when properly motivated. The problem, I think, is that you could just as easily assemble a highlight reel of him stepping out of bounds from triple threat position, hoisting ill advised threes and missing crucial free throws.

I think you have a good point about wasting a draft pick on a player we aren't going to really invest in, but I think MP has failed to really show that he can embrace what is asked of him from any coach on a consistent basis. Bottom line, MP thinks he's an all-star and that is never the opportunity that is going to be presented to him. He's a role player that refuses to believe he is one.

Post #3 » by **Hopper15** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:56 am

I'd pay for someone to make a reel of all his gaffes. :lol:

Abyss Impact · Post #4 » by **Abyss Impact** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:02 am

warriortone wrote:I really don't know whether to take you seriously or not, but I'll give you my honest take. When he started his career here, I didn't think he got enough burn and really felt he brought a fire on defense that we hadn't had in a long time. Hell, there was a time I couldn't imagine the team without him. Now, not so much.

Those highlights are a good example of the energy and hustle he can bring when properly motivated. The problem, I think, is that you could just as easily assemble a highlight reel of him stepping out of bounds from triple threat position, hoisting ill advised threes and missing crucial free throws.

I think you have a good point about wasting a draft pick on a player we aren't going to really invest in, but I think MP has failed to really show that he can embrace what is asked of him from any coach on a consistent basis. Bottom line, MP thinks he's an all-star and that is never the opportunity that is going to be presented to him. He's a role player that refuses to believe he is one.

I think he steps out of bounds a lot because he is always in the corner waiting for the open three to shoot. He drives, and has to push off to drive, so he steps out of bounds. I've seen a lot of players that step out of bounds in the corner. I haven't seen him step out of bounds much this season, may be the start of the season, but not the middle or the end. And no, those possessions haven't cost us game decisions, the other plays have.

I think he "hoist ill advised threes" because thats what the coach tells him to do. He isn't in there to pass, he isn't in there to set up plays, he is in there for the shooting and his IMO great defense. Same could be said for Stephen Jackson, Baron Davis, Etc.

Everybody misses free throws once in a while. Great, he isn't clutch in free throws, but name one person on the Warriors who is? Even Stephen has missed clutch free throws, and he is 80+% free throw shooter.

As for not embracing what he is asked, the other coaches he been under is either bad or can't utilize Pietrus' skills, and he isn't a good player when he is asked to create. If only Don Nelson play Pietrus SF, he would succeed since Don Nelson is a better coach than any other coach that Pietrus was under, and can thrive under the system Nelson runs.

Yi Jian Lian · Post #5 » by **Yi Jian Lian** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:16 am

A.I. you always make me smile.

Abyss Impact · Post #6 » by **Abyss Impact** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:25 am

Hopper15 wrote:I'd pay for someone to make a reel of all his gaffes.

Every player makes bad plays. Look at Baron Davis. Can't even keep the ball in bounds when he is bringing it up the court with Derek Fisher trapping him... That is sad when Baron was considered the MVP of the playoffs that time by some of you guys. I bet Pietrus could of brought it up easily. And then dunk it right on Okur's face after breaking away from D Fish :lol:

LA Warrior · Post #7 » by **LA Warrior** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:23 am

Looks like he picked up Captain Jack and Barons habits....

old rem · Post #8 » by **old rem** » Wed May 21, 2008 8:12 pm

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Some good points. Generally Pietrus didn't need "motivating" as much as focus and being taught a sound set of fundamentals..or at least having a role where he could just learn by experiance. Pietrus,like other imports we might consider drafting,didn't grow up playing hoops on the playground or being on organized teams as a kid. Having explosive acceleration-but below par dribbling skills can pose problems. I don't see Pietrus as "thinks he's a star" anymore than anyone else.....and less than some who WERE the star at some time or place. Pietrus thinks he can score 18,get 7 boards,play quality D. Why not. He's done that often.

Pietrus is NOT a "fast learner" and he arrived with a lot to learn,then there were 2 coaching changes and EVERY player he started out with here-is gone.
He's had to adapt to a situation so unstable it's like hitting a moving target.

He got the impression he was on his way out-unwanted. However-Nellie then made him a part of the rotation ahead of Barnes and he again was involved and had a role....and he played his best ball since being here.

We don't GAIN by losing MP. We also don't gain by overpaying him. Jax had a good year overall--but some VERY ugly games. How often was Jax something like 4-17 with 3 rbd? Don't assume that if MP exits...whoever arrives won't make a mistake. If MP,Barnes,Croshere,Watson....any or all don't return the spots likely get filled by rookies and rejects,so precision execution and great consistancy is probably not the alternative.

I suspect there's 3-4 teams that DO recall games when MP was hot and dominated for a 10 min run. They may feel he can be polished into starter material and at a price under the MLE. More money + more opportunity?
It probably is not so much do we "dump" MP as do we even have much chance of keeping him unless we are the high bidder,which seems improbable.

cdubbz · Post #9 » by **cdubbz** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:33 pm

I loved french jordan when he first came. He really did bring a good defensive mind set, but then he drifted off and never improved his game. I remember loving the fact that we have two 6'6 shooting gaurds; they were big, athletic and jrich was the offensive sf while mickael was the defensive gaurd. If he could have improved in just one facet of the game than he would be a keeper....he just needed to work on either his ball handling, shooting or game IQ. Just ONE of those areas would have helped him so much. Too bad he never panned out to be a super defenseman though.

I would love to see mickael succeed if its here with golden state or somewhere else...I can see him playing on the spurs where hopefully they teach him some fundamentals.

Abyss Impact · Post #10 » by **Abyss Impact** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:03 pm

Then why hasn't the coaching staff address this situation to Mikael? They are the coaches for a reason, and they see what the players do right and wrong, and they are the ones who spots these, not the player.

Warriors Analyst · Post #11 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:25 am

Pietrus' brain hasn't improved since he got here. He won't learn more about basketball. Dump him

Left*My*Heart · Post #12 » by **Left*My*Heart** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:58 pm

I was disappointed he was re-signed for last season. I had a lot of hope for him at the beginning of his career, but as most of us know, he never improved to his hyped potential. What is worse to me, he continues to make the same stupid mistakes over and over.

He is injury prone and takes too long to recover from his injuries. I hope someone out there is foolish enough to offer us something good in an S&T, otherwise let him walk...far far away.

Lost126 · Post #13 » by **Lost126** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:13 pm

Hey all, just wanted to say hi...I've been reading the msg board's for a couple years now, finally made the leap to becoming a member.

I agree with WarriorsAnalyst about Pietrus. It would be nice to keep him as a back up but he really hasnt developed after his first 2 years.

On another note I'm all up for making The Mississippi Bullet our primetime PG (LF !!). He would be an upgraded version of TP...looking forward to an interesting offseason!