Offseason rebuild

[WarFan]

This would probably be two or three separate deals but I just grouped them all together to make it easier to read. I think the value is really good for all the other teams involved, although I might ask Memphis to swap pick #5 for #7 to insure that Kevin Love was still on the board.

Mem sends: Cardinal, Crittenton and pick #28
Mem gets: Varejao and pick #19

Memphis gets to swap Cardinal's contract for a player they wanted last off-season and could still use in Varejao. They also get to move up 9 spots and would probably target Chris Douglas-Roberts who'd be a good fit for them.

Cle sends: Varejao, Szczerbiak, and pick #19
Cle gets: Jackson and Harrington

Cleveland gets two guys who could take a lot of the scoring pressure and a little of the playmaking responsibilities off of LeBron. He also would no longer have to defend the best wing on the opposing team with Jackson there. Also, unlike a Redd trade, this doesn't extend their salary commitments past LeBron's contract which I think would be important to Cleveland, as they might have to blow it up or they'd have plenty of room to go after a big-time FA that year if they got LeBron to re-sign.

LA sends: Mobley, Thomas and pick #7
LA gets: Davis

LA gets their missing point guard, 2nd banana, and hometown hero Baron Davis to get them back to the playoffs. We've gone over this one before and this seems to be agreed to by Clipper fans. Also, I think that Baron would waive his ETO in a second to go there.

GS sends: Davis, Jackson, Harrington
GS gets: Cardinal, Szczerbiak, Mobley, Thomas, Crittenton and picks #7 and #28

The Warriors go with a serious youth movement and draft Love, Rush and Hendrix to round out a 9-man youth core. I really like the way these pieces fit together long-term for a flexible running team with some decent size.

Guards: Ellis, Crittenton and Belinelli
Wings: Rush and Azubuike
Bigs: Biedrins, Wright, Love and Hendrix

Plus Perovic, pick #49 and a couple of veteran role-models in Cardinal and Mobley. Szczerbiak and Thomas can work the concession stands or something.

We'd have $23 million in expirings in the '09-'10 season (plus lots of cheap youth and a couple good picks) to trade for the final piece or two when teams will be trying to clear cap for the big free agents. Or we'd have a ton of cap-room that summer if we thought we could lure one of them ourselves.

[auslurch]

i think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit....
No, please god no. I thought we got away from these kind of deals. I know that the current team doesn't quite cut it but damn man.
I can't see one of the rookies making it worth give up three starters for bench scrubs and old veterans (and not the good kind)
Salary cap unless used is just lining Cohen's pockets.

[BayWarrior]

Wow, If you want cap space just let Baron expire (not a suggestion just a response)

auslurch, can you pass the listerine, I need to rinse after this one too!

[FNQ]

The 2 year tracts of Mobley / Thomas coupled with Crittenton as a long term piece. I never liked his game, and so far I haven't seen anything to change that opinion of him. So basically, we're adding salary for next offseason, further handicapping the team, for a shot @ Love @ 7... I dont think he'll be there. Crittenton and a late 1st (Hendrix) isn't enough to make up for the lost salary.

If we're involving Cleveland, I think we need to get Damon Jones. Backup PG, good shooter (so can fit w/Monta in a small set). If we can factor out Mobley and Thomas at all, or turn at least Mobley into an EC, I'd like this a lot more.

[GSWhoopfan]

Jones: Wasnt he here already?

Fcuk him and his high kick sch!t.

[GSW2K4]

Crittenton and a late 1st (Hendrix) isn't enough to make up for the lost salary.

If we're involving Cleveland, I think we need to get Damon Jones. Backup PG, good shooter (so can fit w/Monta in a small set).

I'm not sure I follow this logic...

Crittenton is a 20 yr old point guard with good size. Right now he's more of a scorer, but he'll develop. If we're going for a youth movement, I can't understand why we wouldn't want him. If nothing else, he'll be a serviceable backup in the league...

He's on his rookie contract... if salary is an issue and we don't like him, we let him go...

Jones was third on Cleveland's unimpressive depth chart of guards...

That said, I feel like we're giving up a lot (3 rotation players) for a bunch of potential and marginal players. If guys find a way to develop together though it could work... but if not, we destroy our team and set ourselves back 13 years...

[FNQ]

He barely managed an assist in 20+ minutes, he didnt look like a PG at GTech, and he's only a slasher.

You managed to factor out the rest of the response, which detailed that we're not taking back expirings for the rights to take Crittenton and #28, which I'm saying are not worth it.

Obviously you can't turn Mobley into DJ for cap reasons - there would have to be more. But putting DJ in there is a good start.

[Sleepy51]

I'm not sold on Crittendon either, but wasn't everybody down on Thad young coming out of GT as well?

There is something wrong in that program, and it's not the talent.

I wouldn't put it past Crittendon to overcome a bad upbringing at GT. OTOH, the Lakers let him go, and they don't seem to make a lot of personnel mistakes.

I'm not sure what to make of him yet, but I don't think you can close that book while he's still on a cheap contract.

Damon Jones on the other hand has been doing unspeakable things to the game of basketball for a while now and isn't cheap. I can't believe you actually said that with a straight face.

[FNQ]

Thad appeared to use GT as a yearlong training camp, where he tried to improve his perimeter game. It still isn't much, but when he begins to draw attention as an actual offensive weapon, we'll see.

But for Crittenton, he's a dribbler. Loves to dribble out the clock. Isn't much for ball movement either - he's really a 6'5 SG with no jumper. I don't see much of a point to that.

[Yi Jian Lian]

horrible plan

[MikSar]

I second that...might as well give up the right to be an actual nba team and join the NBDL.Our team will forever be an NBDL type franchise unless Cohan sells the team to someone who actually cares about what happens to this franchise.Not just another tax write off...

[GSWhoopfan]

Crittendon is a pure out slasher with speed and strenght. If they allow him to play "natural" and not out of position with that try to convert him to a pg he will indeed be a fine player.

I dont think they will try to convert him though. Lowry, Conley, and Navarro will take the pg spots. If i was Memphis, id try to allow Lowry to take a Monta Ellis type role and let him focus on working off screens. But then theyd be playing real small ball.

We should try and take Lowry or Navarro...as i think Conley is they future pg.

[FNQ]

Shooting guards who can't shoot aren't long for the league... ask Kirk Snyder, Gerald Green, Marquis Daniels, Larry Hughes, and the massive list of other SGs like that...

Occasionally you'll find a Ronnie Brewer, a Dwayne Wade... but those are extremely rare and special cases. Crittenton is an undersized, non-shooting SG. He'd have to be a PG to maintain any value and he's proving that he may not even have the skillset to EVER contribute to an NBA team consistently.

[old rem]

This would probably be two or three separate deals but I just grouped them all together to make it easier to read. I think the value is really good for all the other teams involved, although I might ask Memphis to swap pick #5 for #7 to insure that Kevin Love was still on the board.

Mem sends: Cardinal, Crittenton and pick #28
Mem gets: Varejao and pick #19

Memphis gets to swap Cardinal's contract for a player they wanted last off-season and could still use in Varejao. They also get to move up 9 spots and would probably target Chris Douglas-Roberts who'd be a good fit for them.

Cle sends: Varejao, Szczerbiak, and pick #19
Cle gets: Jackson and Harrington

Cleveland gets two guys who could take a lot of the scoring pressure and a little of the playmaking responsibilities off of LeBron. He also would no longer have to defend the best wing on the opposing team with Jackson there. Also, unlike a Redd trade, this doesn't extend their salary commitments past LeBron's contract which I think would be important to Cleveland, as they might have to blow it up or they'd have plenty of room to go after a big-time FA that year if they got LeBron to re-sign.

LA sends: Mobley, Thomas and pick #7
LA gets: Davis

LA gets their missing point guard, 2nd banana, and hometown hero Baron Davis to get them back to the playoffs. We've gone over this one before and this seems to be agreed to by Clipper fans. Also, I think that Baron would waive his ETO in a second to go there.

GS sends: Davis, Jackson, Harrington
GS gets: Cardinal, Szczerbiak, Mobley, Thomas, Crittenton and picks #7 and #28

The Warriors go with a serious youth movement and draft Love, Rush and Hendrix to round out a 9-man youth core. I really like the way these pieces fit together long-term for a flexible running team with some decent size.

Guards: Ellis, Crittenton and Belinelli
Wings: Rush and Azubuike
Bigs: Biedrins, Wright, Love and Hendrix

Plus Perovic, pick #49 and a couple of veteran role-models in Cardinal and Mobley. Szczerbiak and Thomas can work the concession stands or something.

We'd have $23 million in expirings in the '09-'10 season (plus lots of cheap youth and a couple good picks) to trade for the final piece or two when teams will be trying to clear cap for the big free agents. Or we'd have a ton of cap-room that summer if we thought we could lure one of them ourselves.

Seriously awful. We give Clev 35 pts of our scoring. We put the Clips into the playoffs on a long term basis (at our expense) we become younger than Portland-but not as good. How does Memphis get AV and move up that far for a Crittendon-Cardinal package???? Azubuike >>>>Crittendon.

Slips get Baron for just a mid lotto? Hey.....then we should be able to trade that and Crittendon for Bosh? Huh?

Baron..Jackson...Harrington = 55 points of our offense. If we also lose Barnes-Pietrus Croshere...thats another 20. Who makes up for that? Love + Crittendon?

We'd have a coaching staff that's shown little aptitude for young players-then we strip away EVERY surviving veteran and rely on young players.

I DO like the 3 guys you take as picks. Love-Rush-Hendrix will all be pretty decent (at worst) and aren't even as raw as Crittendon. I'd prefer Alexander if he's still there at 14 but I'm thinking he goes 2-3 picks higher.

We are giving up 2 guys who just scored 20+....how many of those are around? Baron also was among the NBA's best in steals and assists. Al is a good 3 shooter for a big man,Jax plays good D. Forget the "Cap fill junk" the assets are MAYBE a fair return for Baron. How about we get Rudy Gay or Thornton instead of Crit? How about some of these other teams offer up some high production veterans or at least a guy fit to start?

[old rem]

Shooting guards who can't shoot aren't long for the league... ask Kirk Snyder, Gerald Green, Marquis Daniels, Larry Hughes, and the massive list of other SGs like that...

Occasionally you'll find a Ronnie Brewer, a Dwayne Wade... but those are extremely rare and special cases. Crittenton is an undersized, non-shooting SG. He'd have to be a PG to maintain any value and he's proving that he may not even have the skillset to EVER contribute to an NBA team consistently.

I believe Crittendon can contribute...Pietrus..Barnes...cj Watson can contribute (and maybe more so) Of the players we might swap a starter for.....Critt ain't on my list. Like I said....we are trading half our offense for draftees and Critt and it just don't add up.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Everything in moderation. Even when teams blow it up and start over they don't do it as dramatically as you're proposing here. A team where everyone who matters is what... 23 or under? would end up being horribly undisciplined and erratic. And practically speaking, pretty awful. In fact, they'd quite possibly be bad until the point where some of them were up for contract extensions, then you end up losing people because they don't like playing in such a madhouse, etc. etc.

I want to make sure Monta, Goose, Wright get to develop. That's important. But running out a 9 man rotation of college-age guys is a formula for disaster.

[Chris Cohan]

It's move them all or move none for now.

Baron expiring or opting out, on the other hand, puts the focus on the recently acquired veteran players and allows an aggressive follow up move of Harrington to interested teams. Jackson has not been of interest, supposedly, but I'd bet he could be relocated if the dominoes fall right. And next offseason, he is an expiring contract if nothing else and great trade filler or low pick fodder. I predict he will see a numbers hit as he ages and attempts to shoot his way to another career year.

Harrington is very unhapphy about his playing time and use last year and is expected to request a trade if things do not go his way.

At any rate, there is no championship coming through Oakland with Nelson, Harrington, Jackson, and Baron so I fail to see the point in resisting the reality of this two years, maximum, sentence.

[FNQ]

I agree with CPH.... trade Baron for Kidd... I'm becoming less and less a fan of dealing for the lotto pick, because I doubt Love is there, and because I still think Monta needs to grow as a PG, especially the leadership aspect. Kidd brings that by the barrelful...

Since the LAC part of the deal only affects us, make it Kidd / Bass instead of that stuff and the #7... Still would leave a gaping hole at SF though, but the truth is, that if we want to recoup any value from Jax and Harrington that doesnt involve massive salaries, we need to do it now.

Personally, Id rather keep Jax. Low price, semi-smart player. When you can convince him to play a role, he's excellent. Trade him only as an EXP when he has the most value. Harrington I'd deal tomorrow, along with Baron...

[GSWhoopfan]

At any rate, there is no championship coming through Oakland with Nelson, Harrington, Jackson, and Baron so I fail to see the point in resisting the reality of this two years, maximum, sentence.

i agree you are just wasting your time here...

enjoy the next couple of years off. dont bother watching the Warriors...they are just entertaining and exciting and certified losers.

[FNQ]

The irony is that when you try to be sarcastic you make a ton more sense