Marco Belinelli Potential

aluball17 · Post #1 » by **aluball17** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:02 pm

How good do you guys think this kid is? Not a GSW fan but just curious because I know he tore up summer league last year.

Abyss Impact · Post #2 » by **Abyss Impact** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:20 pm

Hes our next Manu Ginobli, we only need a good coach that will play him more than 5mpg.

Thugleavy34 · Post #3 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:28 pm

He doesn't have much size and looks overmatched on defense, and his rebounding is nonexistent. He'll obviously never be a power player, but on the finesse side he's not that quick and not that explosive, either. He has the makings of a nice shot, and he seems like a smart player, if he can remove the chuck from his game. I like him as a bench player, but not as a starter.

Abyss Impact · Post #4 » by **Abyss Impact** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:55 pm

^^^
Give him a few years, then judge him.

Thugleavy34 · Post #5 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:58 pm

The defense, rebounding, size issue won't change. If he's good it'll be because he becomes a lights out shooter, gets to the line, and passes the ball well.

Abyss Impact · Post #6 » by **Abyss Impact** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:04 pm

He never got to show it off yet. Give him consistant minutes and then see what happens.

Thugleavy34 · Post #7 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:11 pm

He can still become a player, but those issues are here to stay. He's never rebounded at all at any level before going into the NBA, he's not going to suddenly become even adequate against the most athletic players in the world. His lateral quickness is supbar on defense and unfortunately for him there's nothing he can go about it, as you either have it or you don't. Doesn't mean he won't be a good player, but unfortunately he doesn't project to be a starting 2 on a team that can realistically contend for a championship.

Abyss Impact · Post #8 » by **Abyss Impact** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:25 pm

Why should he? He should be leaking out for fast break or leaking out to protect the fast break. Hes a guard, not a small forward or a PF or a center. He is there to shoot, and that is it.

Thugleavy34 · Post #9 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:40 pm

In order to be a winning basketball team everybody on the floor has to rebound. This is part of the reason Monta Ellis is so special. If Marco isn't rebounding---at all---the guy he's guarding, is. And that's a problem. Basketball is a team game. There are times when a PF is on a perimeter and the SG is near the basket. If you're defending that SG you'd better be able to box him out and get that board. Good shooting guards get at least a few boards a game. Those few extra possessions are what make the difference between a bad and good, or good and great, team.

Abyss Impact · Post #10 » by **Abyss Impact** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:46 pm

I think that reason is enough to sign Mikael Pietrus to a deal. He is everything we need.

Thugleavy34 · Post #11 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:02 pm

Not really. Mikael can't handle the ball, which is necessary for wing players. When he tries to, he's liable to crash into the defender and get called for an offensive foul. He's constantly out of position both defensively and offensively. He doesn't create for others. He makes bad fouls. He's extremely limited as a basketball player.

Abyss Impact · Post #12 » by **Abyss Impact** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:06 pm

You can't expect a perfect bench player.

Thugleavy34 · Post #13 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:12 pm

I don't mind him as a bench player. I see him precisely as I do Belinelli. That being said, I think the marriage is over. We have reached the point where it's time to move on because what he expected of us and what we expected of him were never met. The next team to get him will know exactly what they're getting.

Sid the Squid · Post #14 » by **Sid the Squid** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:58 pm

Belinelli's got nice size for a 2 gaurd.

aluball17 · Post #15 » by **aluball17** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:58 pm

Am i missing something ? Is he not 6' 6'' ?

Is he more of a 2? Did he run PG on his Italian team?

old rem · Post #16 » by **old rem** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:21 pm

Thugleavy34 wrote:The defense, rebounding, size issue won't change. If he's good it'll be because he becomes a lights out shooter, gets to the line, and passes the ball well.

Right.

It's tough to break through as a young player when your key asset is volume scorer. How to transition from sub to go to guy? That was the problem with Ike. He was no backup C and we seldom went into "feed the beast" mode.....though when we did-it worked rather well. Belli has to play a lot and shoot a lot to really become special. That's hard to make happen unless you are sure you are in full rebuild mode. If he can be the hot hand off the bench..that could be his path. Any progress as a passer-penetrator-defender will also help him gain role. Big problem....Azubuike is quite a bit better now and Azu is gonna add skills-experiance too. I think GSW tries to let Belli emerge,but ultimately he's traded.

Sid the Squid · Post #17 » by **Sid the Squid** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:30 pm

I have no idea why thug thinks Beli lacks size...He may lack heart to rebound or to dribble into NBA pressure...but he lacks size? Strange days.

Thugleavy34 · Post #18 » by **Thugleavy34** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:44 pm

I thought he looked bigger in Italy, but when I saw him with other NBA players...he just looks small on the court...

Twinkie defense · Post #19 » by **Twinkie defense** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:24 am

I for one am interested to see how Beli comes on this season.

He definitely has decent length for a two. Pretty good ball handler (borderline PG handle, better than most twos), though he lacks confidence in his ball handling skills, which makes it harder (probably not used to the athletic, physical backcourt defense in the NBA). Not a rebounder. Man defense not great, but I think his team defense can be good - he showed some ability to fit into the Warriors' defensive schemes, playing the passing lanes and getting his long arms out there, deflecting balls.

Had a couple nice games when he got decent minutes to finish the season (17 pts vs. Seattle, including 5/6 from the arc; 13 pts on 6/11 shooting vs. Memphis).

The thing I like best about him is his range, quick release, and ability to step back and shoot over the defender. Potentially, he could become the best Warriors shooter. I think he'll be able to get a shot off pretty much anytime he wants (especially off the pick), without anyone bothering it. He also has nice shooting mechanics, though he needs to develop a more consistent release.

Some are labeling him a bust already... a little premature for a 21 yo, rookie foreigner (lets see if Randolph gets labeled so quickly this season... oh that's right, that will be Nellie's fault

)

Apparently he has been around town, working out a lot this summer, which is certainly a good sign.

Warriors really, really need someone with a sweet outside shot, especially given their drive and kick, three-ball ways. Monta is the closest right now (he's got a sweet outside shot), but not much range. Beli has long, long range. If he can get on the court regularly, and get his shot back on track (had a rough shooting stretch for much of his limited minutes last season), hit a good percentage with range ala Mike Miller, I think the Warrior will be a lot better off.

We'll see how he comes along this season.

TB · Post #20 » by TB » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:28 am

Marco has the 2 main attributes that we need for our future starting 2 gaurd, ability to shoot the 3, and ability to handle the ball when needed.

However, he isn't good at anything else (and it could be argued he isn't good at those 2 things either). That's why i am hoping for nothing more than him becoming a good rotation player like Brent Barry.

We need a guy like Joe Johnson (skillset wise) to start next to Monta down the road.. with Randolph, Wright, Goose in the frontcourt.. Here's hoping.