Al on trade watch?

[Mylie10]

Al Harrington and the Warriors seem to have the writing on the wall. With the Dubs picking up 2 front court players and Al's rumblings of asking for a trade (through his new agent), it seems as though the only thing remaining is a deal that makes sense for us.

Whether we start the season with Al and then see how things play out, or trying to get assets before the new year begins, will be dependant on what's relistically out there.

The team is in need of a competant back-up center, and also a PG who could step in and play solid back-up minutes. The PG needs to be on the bigger side if we are gonna think long term. It could be a veteran guy like Anthony Johnson who may be an option for the short term.

The rumored Al for Varaejo deal scares me, because that's alot of money for a back-up center.

The writing's on the wall and Al's days are numbered.

[gswhoops]

I'd do the Al for Varejao + Damon Jones deal...makes perfect roster sense for us.

Biedrins/Sideshow/Perovic
Wright/Hendrix
Jackson/Randolph
Ellis/Azubuike/Belinelli
Baron/Ellis/Jones

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I think there is a lot to this. One of the things I'd note if we ship out Al is that for a team that has liked to shoot so much, we have very few shooters. Trading Al for Varejao makes that far more dramatic. Jones is a shooter I guess, but not one I'd be comfortable relying upon. This is part of why I liked the idea of Mike Miller. He does a lot of things okay, but the one thing he clearly does well is shoot. If we do move Al, I'd like to get someone back who is a good outside shooter and who can at least play regular minutes in the rotation.

[Mylie10]

I think there is a lot to this. One of the things I'd note if we ship out Al is that for a team that has liked to shoot so much, we have very few shooters. Trading Al for Varejao makes that far more dramatic. Jones is a shooter I guess, but not one I'd be comfortable relying upon. This is part of why I liked the idea of Mike Miller. He does a lot of things okay, but the one thing he clearly does well is shoot. If we do move Al, I'd like to get someone back who is a good outside shooter and who can at least play regular minutes in the rotation.

That is key for me as well. At back-up center we can't expect a shooter.

for me we need a SG or SF who can shoot the lights out. Those guys are hard to find.

Damon Jones just doesn't cut it for me. His shot selection is worse than anyone on our roster and that's saying alot.

There's some talk that the TE may have a better chance of being used, even if only for a small amount of it's value. Some of that comes from Memphis dropping out of the Monta sweepstakes. This might be the way to add a shooter, and Al will be used for the back-up center.

Decisions, decisions.

[Mylie10]

What about Al to Jersey (his hometown) for Swift and Boone. Both can battle for back-up center and we save a mil or 2. Which could be used for a back-up PG. AJ.

[Sleepy51]

Al Harrington and the Warriors seem to have the writing on the wall. With the Dubs picking up 2 front court players and Al's rumblings of asking for a trade (through his new agent), it seems as though the only thing remaining is a deal that makes sense for us.

Whether we start the season with Al and then see how things play out, or trying to get assets before the new year begins, will be dependant on what's relistically out there.

The team is in need of a competant back-up center, and also a PG who could step in and play solid back-up minutes. The PG needs to be on the bigger side if we are gonna think long term. It could be a veteran guy like Anthony Johnson who may be an option for the short term.

The rumored Al for Varaejo deal scares me, because that's alot of money for a back-up center.

The writing's on the wall and Al's days are numbered.

The problem is, one of those guys comming back has to be able to hit the 3 ball. HAS TO. WE have no credible distance shooters on this roster right now. No one can hit the 3ball at 40% and that's a big problem with our style of play. Penetrate and kick doesn't work if the defense doesn't have to honor the guys being kicked out to. Point guards or centers who can hit the 3 ball are going to cost more than Al.

Al is going to be traded, but the holes that need plugging aren't really Al's weak suits anymore.

[Sleepy51]

I'd do the Al for Varejao + Damon Jones deal...makes perfect roster sense for us.

Biedrins/Sideshow/Perovic
Wright/Hendrix
Jackson/Randolph
Ellis/Azubuike/Belinelli
Baron/Ellis/Jones

Damon jones can't play in the NBA. He's a liability in every way. Even with his 3ball, he's such a crappy athlete that he's not going to get his shot off in a superstarless system.

[Mylie10]

Al Harrington and the Warriors seem to have the writing on the wall. With the Dubs picking up 2 front court players and Al's rumblings of asking for a trade (through his new agent), it seems as though the only thing remaining is a deal that makes sense for us.

Whether we start the season with Al and then see how things play out, or trying to get assets before the new year begins, will be dependant on what's relistically out there.

The team is in need of a competant back-up center, and also a PG who could step in and play solid back-up minutes. The PG needs to be on the bigger side if we are gonna think long term. It could be a veteran guy like Anthony Johnson who may be an option for the short term.

The rumored Al for Varaejo deal scares me, because that's alot of money for a back-up center.

The writing's on the wall and Al's days are numbered.

The problem is, one of those guys comming back has to be able to hit the 3 ball. HAS TO. WE have no credible distance shooters on this roster right now. No one can hit the 3ball at 40% and that's a big problem with our style of play. Penetrate and kick doesn't work if the defense doesn't have to honor the guys being kicked out to. Point guards or centers who can hit the 3 ball are going to cost more than Al.

Al is going to be traded, but the holes that need plugging aren't really Al's weak suits anymore.

3 holes are needed to be filled

1.) back-up PG

2.) Back-up center

3.) Shooter

If Al can fill one or 2 of those needs alone, then that's gonna help.

Gimme some thoughts on guys you'd like to get. Mike Miller was a guy I wanted for many reasons, but that ship has appeared to sail. I mention Jersey as a destination that Al and maybe jersey would feel good about.

Part of all Al deals have to include teams that would want him, so that really narrows it down.

I need names Sleep.

[smotheredinhugs]

I'd imagine Ray Felton is available now. I don't know if I want him, depends on who comes over with him. He certainly has the body to defend strong guards, however his performance thus far has been uninspiring. Can we wrench Ajinca from them? That's would be interesting.

[Sleepy51]

3 holes are needed to be filled

1.) back-up PG

2.) Back-up center

3.) Shooter

If Al can fill one or 2 of those needs alone, then that's gonna help.

Gimme some thoughts on guys you'd like to get. Mike Miller was a guy I wanted for many reasons, but that ship has appeared to sail. I mention Jersey as a destination that Al and maybe jersey would feel good about.

Part of all Al deals have to include teams that would want him, so that really narrows it down.

I need names Sleep.

For me, it has to be 2 of those three holes, because Al fills the shooter category, and gives us a lot more than he gets credit for in the backup C role already. Sam Perkins helped some good teams win a lot of games in his veteran years. That's the player Al is becomming, and it's not a player you can get "more" for in trade. I can't give you names because I don't think Al alone is going to get back enough of any two of those three requirements by himself.

Of course Al sucks at some things inside, but so do most backup centers. It would be rare to find a 7 footer who is active on D AND can catch AND can finish AND isnt' a FT% disaster AND is a hard worker AND is a professional, mature, positive locker room presence around young players (you're all oblivious to how much value this has on good competitive teams - someone has to show young guys the ropes) . . . all that stuff in a passable big body that other teams are willing to part with . . . for a tweener? Not likely.

An Al trade that creates a net positive effect for our squad is going to require other assets . . . either combined with Baron for a big contract star, or combineds with a future 1st. In all liklihood, Al is going to be moved for capspace, and we will be worse off talent wise when all is said and done. Al is a player with more on court value than trade value, especially for us.

I am willing to accept that Al is going to be traded, I'm just reminding folks that the grass usually isn't greener. When he's dealt, it will likly have a net negative effect on the court all things considered, even if the returning package stengthens one dimesion of our team. The biggest beneficiary of trading Al will likely be Cohan . . . again.

[jaxfor3]

How about a two-part trade of:

Al Harrington to the Hawks for Speedy Claxton and Solomon Jones.
Then the TE for Marvin Williams.

Origionally, I was looking at just the TE for Williams but the trade did not benefit the Hawks. Harrington was a pretty popular player for the Hawks during his time there and we can take back a couple scrubs to fill out our roster. The contract length for Claxton is two years at 6mil apiece and one year for Jones.

Williams can learn under Jackson and eventually fill his role as a two/three tweener.

[floppymoose]

We need Al a lot more than it seems. His jump shot eFG% was .475. That was second highest on the team.

A golf clap for whoever can guess who had the highest jump shot eFG%.

[Sleepy51]

We need Al a lot more than it seems. His jump shot eFG% was .475. That was second highest on the team.

A golf clap for whoever can guess who had the highest jump shot eFG%.

Cro?

[FNQ]

When you only take 3's from a certain spot, that'll happen... 4 jumpers per game, 3 of them from 3. The massive jump from FG% (overall,.432) to eFG% (.523) illustrates that. Still was stunning the first time I saw it though.

FWIW - Al's eFG% was high for the same reason.

[Sleepy51]

When you only take 3's from a certain spot, that'll happen... 4 jumpers per game, 3 of them from 3. The massive jump from FG% (overall,.432) to eFG% (.523) illustrates that. Still was stunning the first time I saw it though.

FWIW - Al's eFG% was high for the same reason.

Al didn't only shoot 3's from one spot, and didn't only shoot 3's as his only jumpshots. The guy is still the best jumpshooter on the team no matter how you dissect it, and when he's traded, Baron and Jack & Belli are going to be missing quite a few of the shots he was making.

Enjoy.

[FNQ]

I meant that Al's eFG was significantly higher because most of the shots he took were 3s. He took 5 3's a game, and took 7.4 jumpers per game... about 2/3 (67%) of his jumpers were 3s. I'm just saying, when over 50% of jumpers taken are 3s, it can skew the eFG #s.

The guy I'm accusing of standing in one spot = our #1 eFG guy. And also indirectly implying that maybe a player that had a lower eFG, say in the 420s, might be our 2nd best shooter due to the fact that he never ventures outside the 3pt line and hits jumpers at around a .420 clip. Not bad for a system player.

[Abyss Impact]

Who is Al Harrington? He is long gone. Its all about Wright now at PF.

[gswhoops]

What about these two moves:

#1 - Mike Miller for TPE + Lotto protected 2009 1st

#2 - Al for Varejao and filler

Starters: Baron, Ellis, Jackson, Wright, Biedrins. Miller and Varejao as 6th/7th man.

[floppymoose]

A golf clap for whoever can guess who had the highest jump shot eFG%.

Cro?

Excellent guess. It was the first player I checked, too. But it's wrong (although he is effectively tied with Al, just .001 behind).

[floppymoose]

I meant that Al's eFG was significantly higher because most of the shots he took were 3s. He took 5 3's a game, and took 7.4 jumpers per game... about 2/3 (67%) of his jumpers were 3s. I'm just saying, when over 50% of jumpers taken are 3s, it can skew the eFG #s.

Absolutely. That's by design. It's what eFG is intended to capture.

But it only skews the numbers if you *make* your threes.