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Post#1 » by Barkley+GS=Love » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:45 am

Livingston? Is it worth a shot as we need a PG of some sort. If this guy can come back from his knee injury hes still a great talent.
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Post#2 » by Yi Jian Lian » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:51 am

he might not even be able to play at 100% ever again, let alone play competitively...
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Post#3 » by GuyverX » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:14 am

^ Unfortunately, this is true. The Clippers would've given him the qualifying offer if they thought he would definitely be back to NBA shape again.
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Post#4 » by custodianrules2 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:22 am

I say go for Maggette if he opts out and then sign Ricky Davis.

We accomplish 2 things: We get real quality SG/SF depth, we forget about worrying about Azubuike/Pietrus development, we get scoring, we get an energetic, sixth man of the year candidate in Ricky D, we get two guys who can play very good individual defense/rebounding and could start in a lineup of SG: Mags, SF: Ricky D, PF: Sjax I'm guessing neither would command near max salaries so they should be Sjax type deals and could even become all-stars on a team like this.

I say get it done if we're trying to develop our big men and develop Ellis into a point guard. The small forwards shouldn't get in the way of anyone unless Nelson goes small in games (but he'll only be around for a year anyway). If we get real depth behind the starters, the Warriors should be a surprise team if Mullin could pull this off. This teams looks so awesome on paper:

pg: Monta Ellis, CJ Watson, Marco Belinelli
sg: Corey Maggette, Ricky Davis, Marco Belinelli
sf: Sjax, Ricky Davis, Corey Maggette, Al Harrington
pf: Brandan Wright, Al Harrington, Richard Hendrix, Anthony Randolph
c: Andris Biedrins, Al Harrington, Anthony Randolph, Kosta Perovic

Then we could re-sign CJ Watson as a solid point. I think it's a pretty decent lineup as long as no other surprises happen like Ellis goes elsewhere and we don't match the competing offer or we lose Biedrins due to the same.

The cons: one is injury/turnover prone, the other can be an inconsistent shooter.
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Post#5 » by old rem » Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:03 am

custodianrules2 wrote:I say go for Maggette if he opts out and then sign Ricky Davis.

We accomplish 2 things: We get real quality SG/SF depth, we forget about worrying about Azubuike/Pietrus development, we get scoring, we get an energetic, sixth man of the year candidate in Ricky D, we get two guys who can play very good individual defense/rebounding and could start in a lineup of SG: Mags, SF: Ricky D, PF: Sjax I'm guessing neither would command near max salaries so they should be Sjax type deals and could even become all-stars on a team like this.

I say get it done if we're trying to develop our big men and develop Ellis into a point guard. The small forwards shouldn't get in the way of anyone unless Nelson goes small in games (but he'll only be around for a year anyway). If we get real depth behind the starters, the Warriors should be a surprise team if Mullin could pull this off. This teams looks so awesome on paper:

pg: Monta Ellis, CJ Watson, Marco Belinelli
sg: Corey Maggette, Ricky Davis, Marco Belinelli
sf: Sjax, Ricky Davis, Corey Maggette, Al Harrington
pf: Brandan Wright, Al Harrington, Richard Hendrix, Anthony Randolph
c: Andris Biedrins, Al Harrington, Anthony Randolph, Kosta Perovic

Then we could re-sign CJ Watson as a solid point. I think it's a pretty decent lineup as long as no other surprises happen like Ellis goes elsewhere and we don't match the competing offer or we lose Biedrins due to the same.

The cons: one is injury/turnover prone, the other can be an inconsistent shooter.



If the Warriors lost Baron and still managed to lose Ellis or Biedrins.....screw it.....might as well start following some other team and face that the W's are D league. I reckon that scenario would mean a new GM very soon.

Azubuike is very cost effective-more so than Ricky Davis. If Baron bolts....we need a usable experianced PG at least and before we spend $12-14 mill or so on 2 wing players,we get a backup C.
We might re-sign Baron...the likely outcome. If he does escape,we have a chunk of cap space and our whole Nellieball strategy is up in smoke,so we think long run. We make Wright and Azubuike and Belli the best we can. We try to find a few loose bargains,but not guys who ain't bang for the buck.
We don't rush to spend..not too quick,we get the BEST value.
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Post#6 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:47 pm

Yi Jian Lian wrote:he might not even be able to play at 100% ever again, let alone play competitively...

Play at 100% again?

I wish the kid the best. He had some really bad luck. But the odds of a point guard coming into the league as he did and really succeeding are far from a sure thing even in the absence of injuries. Add on his injuries, and there is very little reason to take a risk on him at anything substantially more than $1-2m a year at this point, in my opinion.
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Post#7 » by FNQ » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:58 pm

FWIW, signing Maggette would be terrible for us... hes the average "big points, bad team" type player... selfish to the core. No D at all and he wants a raise from 8mil a season? Forget it...

Guards I want: (no particular order)
Gilbert Arenas
Eddie House
Chris Duhon
Carlos Arroyo
Keyon Dooling

Forwards I want:
Josh Smith
James Jones
Eduardo Najera
Walter Hermann

Centers I want:
DeSagna Diop
Chris Andersen

I think Diop should be target #1... his defensive versatility and power at the rim is sorely needed, and his biggest knock (stamina - not being able to play at a high level for very long) can be hidden as he'd be a backup to Biedrins... if he didn't have hands of stone, I'd give the guy 6m+... since he does, see if he'd take 3-12... I wouldn't mind that at all :nod:
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Post#8 » by Chris Cohan » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:13 pm

Hermann is a very real possibility. Jones is also suddenly a possibility. Najera is a Nelson favorite but he will likely be one of the frontline MLE players for contenders this year. His game is very sound at this time and he has become one of the league's most reliably productive and effective bench veterans at the 3/4 hybrid position. He opens up a lot of possibilities for a team.

In my opinion, signing Najera and Jones and moving Harrington and Jackson at the same time, while getting return like Gordon and Knight from the Clippers for Davis, would actually improve this team. Rip that one apart, all who care to, but giving Nelson quasi-elite role scorers like Jones and Gordon and excellent 7/8 men like Najera while also getting a gifted teacher and supporting veteran distributor like Knight means the team becomes a far more balanced and efficient rendition of the Nelson blueprint. At WORST.

Diop will be far too expensive.
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Post#9 » by Sid the Squid » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:29 pm

Maggette?

Why not just shoot me now...I don't want live through Maggette on the W's.
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Post#10 » by FNQ » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:41 pm

ROWELL wrote:Hermann is a very real possibility. Jones is also suddenly a possibility. Najera is a Nelson favorite but he will likely be one of the frontline MLE players for contenders this year. His game is very sound at this time and he has become one of the league's most reliably productive and effective bench veterans at the 3/4 hybrid position. He opens up a lot of possibilities for a team.

In my opinion, signing Najera and Jones and moving Harrington and Jackson at the same time, while getting return like Gordon and Knight from the Clippers for Davis, would actually improve this team. Rip that one apart, all who care to, but giving Nelson quasi-elite role scorers like Jones and Gordon and excellent 7/8 men like Najera while also getting a gifted teacher and supporting veteran distributor like Knight means the team becomes a far more balanced and efficient rendition of the Nelson blueprint. At WORST.

Diop will be far too expensive.


Najera would be a top guy for me too.... he can stretch out to 3 and he's a hustler. Exactly the kind of vet presence I want here... for some odd reason, I could see him and Jax being buds and having good on court chemistry too... call me crazy...

What's Diop projected to make? I'd consider him up to 5m per... I've seen him have PrimeBenWallace-type impacts on games before, and thats in man D... if we go to our beloved zone sets, all Diop has to really do is protect the rim... his 280+ pounds can also keep the bigger NBA PF/Cs at bay... I cant see him getting a Darko like deal though. But I couldnt see Darko getting it either...

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Post#11 » by DanLanghiOwnsAll » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:08 pm

Sid the Squid wrote:Maggette?

Why not just shoot me now...I don't want live through Maggette on the W's.


:nod: Shoot me as well. I'd rather be frustrated with our current frustrating players. Ricky Davis?! Wow...
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Post#12 » by Barkley+GS=Love » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:29 pm

Maggette is expiring.
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Post#13 » by FNQ » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:32 pm

Barkley+GS=Love wrote:Maggette is expiring.


No sir... Maggette is a FA who just opted out of an 8mil season... he wants big bucks and a starting job...

My recommendation to him is the Magic... maybe the Heat... maybe the Nets...

He really needs to play in the WC... too many good defenders in the EC and Maggette would quickly get exposed. By the same token though, since there isn't many prolific offensive options at SG/SF out East, his defense wouldnt be as exposed as it was out here..
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Post#14 » by Barkley+GS=Love » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:45 pm

Oh. if he's not expiring then HELL no.
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Post#15 » by Chris Cohan » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:48 pm

Diop may well start at above $5 million because of the value you correctly identify. The really competitive contenders can handle paying him a healthy chunk of their MLE if he's really worth what you consider him to be. So the Warriors would end up low on his list unless we think Nelson holds some brand of anti-business interest sway with him. Doubtful, if Diop can stay on the East Coast.
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Post#16 » by Left*My*Heart » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:52 pm

I lost track of Diop after the trade. He wasn't playing very well in Dallas last season prior to the trade.
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Post#17 » by floppymoose » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:39 pm

We should just sign Brand, Gilbert, and Livingston and be the all-injured team.

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